Rufus T Firefly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Yeah, if he is afraid to fire an unsuccessful coach with 1 year left on his contract because he thinks he'll be punished for it, then there is no way he can run this team anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Yeah, if he is afraid to fire an unsuccessful coach with 1 year left on his contract because he thinks he'll be punished for it, then there is no way he can run this team anymore. I don't think he has given enough evidence he ever could run the team. My theory is really based on the fact that the owners are awash with money right now because of the post lockout CBA and where TV rights are right now. A cost of 12M should not be a deterrent to firing Mike Shanhan for Dan Snyder. So why on earth would TK drop this thread? In reality money should not matter to Snyder in a situation like this. Why on earth would the purse be closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I don't think he has given enough evidence he ever could run the team. My theory is really based on the fact that the owners are awash with money right now because of the post lockout CBA and where TV rights are right now. A cost of 12M should not be a deterrent to firing Mike Shanhan for Dan Snyder. So why on earth would TK drop this thread? I didn't say he ever ran it well, but he did run it. I don't know why TK posted it, maybe he wants to make me cry. But unless there's something more that I don't see, I really can't fathom Shanahan back because of money. And I just don't think there's any reason to think the owners would punish him from doing basically what all owners do. He can't do business at all at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I didn't say he ever ran it well, but he did run it. I don't know why TK posted it, maybe he wants to make me cry. But unless there's something more that I don't see, I really can't fathom Shanahan back because of money. And I just don't think there's any reason to think the owners would punish him from doing basically what all owners do. He can't do business at all at that point. Agree with you on the first part; if Shanny is staying because of a potential 12M dollars extra that would need to be spent, that is absurd. The only rational reason I can think that Snyder wouldn't spend an extra 12M, lets say 15M, to get rid of Shanny and hire a new staff is because somehow it will irritate the other owners. That is really the only thing I can think of to be honest. The NFL has tons of money, and they were able to take back a good chunk of money from the players during the lockout. How on earth could 12-15M deter Snyder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If he's back, I want him back without an extension. You can't convince me that Snyder is frugal and also claim tacking years onto a Coach's contract is a wise way to spend money. Let him come back with full authority with a chance to earn the extension. We have drama very year anyway, so what are we worried about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If he's back, I want him back without an extension. You can't convince me that Snyder is frugal and also claim tacking years onto a Coach's contract is a wise way to spend money. Let him come back with full authority with a chance to earn the extension. We have drama very year anyway, so what are we worried about? I honestly think that without an extension, it would make the 2009 Washington Redskins look like a well run organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats up? Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I'm down for Gibbs 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Agree with you on the first part; if Shanny is staying because of a potential 12M dollars extra that would need to be spent, that is absurd. The only rational reason I can think that Snyder wouldn't spend an extra 12M, lets say 15M, to get rid of Shanny and hire a new staff is because somehow it will irritate the other owners. That is really the only thing I can think of to be honest. The NFL has tons of money, and they were able to take back a good chunk of money from the players during the lockout. How on earth could 12-15M deter Snyder? Yeah, I get that you're trying to come up with a way that this might make sense. But I still don't think we've found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Question: If the entire point of a 1 year extension is to avoid making Shanahan appear like a lame duck coach, and everybody knows it, then what is the point? "Yeah, he's gone after 2014, but we're signing him thru 2015 to let him save face and maintain some kind of authority." How does that do anything besides make him a really expensive lame duck? If the whole reason we're going to have to keep him, per the OP, is that it would be expensive to do otherwise, then why would you give him more money you know you're going to have to eat? I know Dan's whole MO as owner has been "**** tomorrow, I'm only thinking about today!" but guaranteeing Mike money that you know he won't be coaching when he gets it 2 years from now is worse than biting the bullet now and giving a fresh start a really good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I honestly think that without an extension, it would make the 2009 Washington Redskins look like a well run organization. Why do you think that? If things go well he can be extended at any time. If his contract status plays such a key role in his authority what makes him worthy of sticking around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKKI8 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I hope if Shanahan stays his stubbornness and ego allows him to realize he needs a better staff. I honestly have my doubts that will happen though. I am all for Wade Phillips being the DC and having total control over the defense including hiring of the position coaches. He should be able to work with coaches he knows and respects instead of having guys like Slowick forced on him. As far as the offensive coaches go, I guess there is no chance Kyle goes either but I would love to see a new QB coach work with RGIII. It would be nice if it could be somebody he knows and respects and be able to deal with Griffin's insecurities and ego. Bobby Jackson is definitely a keeper at RB coach. New ST, OL and WR coaches need to be hired. Burns was not ready for the job, Forester hasn't developed or improved the OL in 4 plus years. Shanahan has had a different WR coach pretty much every year he has been here and they imply that Kyle works with the WR's a lot also, that has to change because they haven't developed a WR in 4 years. Somebody in the Terry Robiskie mold would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Why do you think that? If things go well he can be extended at any time. If you don't like your boss, and his future is uncertain, what is your motivation to play hard and be totally prepared? Pissed about your playing time? Skip a meeting. It can go on and on. One thing these guys need is certainty. No certainty is a recipe for a complete disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Question: If the entire point of a 1 year extension is to avoid making Shanahan appear like a lame duck coach, and everybody knows it, then what is the point? True. And if the concern is really money, then no extension is the budget plan. Either way, if he's back, there better be some serious reins on his FA spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Yeah, I get that you're trying to come up with a way that this might make sense. But I still don't think we've found it. Ha, yea. I am trying to find some rational reason here as to why 12-15M dollars is suddenly a big deal to Dan Snyder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Ha, yea. I am trying to find some rational reason here as to why 12-15M dollars is suddenly a big deal to Dan Snyder Imagine our team is now gonna be owned by not just Dan Snyder, but a cheap Dan Snyder. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Imagine our team is now gonna be owned by not just Dan Snyder, but a cheap Dan Snyder. Ugh. To be honest, I think he has always been a cheap Dan Snyder in the areas where he should have maximized his monetary advantage. That being scouting, analytics, facilities and player development. For 1/4 of Haynesworth's bonus, he could have built the best scouting staff/FO in the NFL. If he has suddenly become cheap on player and coach contracts, well who knows, it may have positive unintended consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If you don't like your boss, and his future is uncertain, what is your motivation to play hard and be totally prepared? Pissed about your playing time? Skip a meeting. It can go on and on. One thing these guys need is certainty. No certainty is a recipe for a complete disaster. If your coach doesn't demand respect, you shouldn't keep him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If your coach doesn't demand respect, you shouldn't keep him around. Agree, which is why I would just cut ties in 5 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 hey, look at it this way. Thanks to the NFL Snyder has spent 36 million less than he would have in the past two years. If he thinks he needs to fire Shanny and co then he still comes out 11 mil ahead by your figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 To be honest, I think he has always been a cheap Dan Snyder in the areas where he should have maximized his monetary advantage. That being scouting, analytics, facilities and player development. For 1/4 of Haynesworth's bonus, he could have built the best scouting staff/FO in the NFL. If he has suddenly become cheap on player and coach contracts, well who knows, it may have positive unintended consequences. Yeah, I agree with all that. Except the unintended consequences thing. That's a bit too much optimism for my tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I think it might actually be the opposite reaction by Dan Snyder to the other owners. I can see him trying to get the best free agents he can get from other teams. for instance try to steal Nicks from the Giants etc. He can use the cap guys to be creative. This time the owners can't use the spirit of the cap against the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 That's a point, too. The cap penalty in effect saved Snyder 36 mil.No, Vinny spent it on. AH.That's where the penalty came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 No, Vinny spent it on. AH. That's where the penalty came from. Which Mike/Bruce tried to manipulate so the team would have an extra 36 mil (technically it would have been 28.8) in cap room to spend. The penalty stopped them from being able to. BTW, it was both AH and Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Which Mike/Bruce tried to manipulate so the team would have an extra 36 mil (technically it would have been 28.8) in cap room to spend. The penalty stopped them from being able to. /Chases tail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 If your coach doesn't demand respect, you shouldn't keep him around. Your coach also needs to GIVE respect as well. And that's something I think Shanny is lacking...at least to a certain extent. Which is one of the main reasons I don't want him to remain the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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