skinsmarydu Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm watching MSNBC ...Chris had "shutdown cam" going on the house floor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The House passed the CR 228 to 201. !2 Republicans voted against it and 9 Democrats voted for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The House passed the CR 228 to 201. !2 Republicans voted against it and 9 Democrats voted for it. Assume this one had some "poison pill" in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The individual mandate is repealed for a year. President Obama would lose his insurance and be forced into Obamacare. VP Biden and all political appointees and congress and staffs would be under Obamacare with no subsidies. That was in the CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Oh, goody. They included something that can't be supported, and a token show issue which they can try to claim was the real reason. Dang, I think political theater used to be better, in the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 I wonder if Harry Reid could get enough Democrats behind a proposal to pass a CR, that extends funding for the government, but at FY13 nominal dollars. (No automatic increases to discretionary spending for inflation and population growth.) That's a "budget cut", in Washington-speak. But it's a really small one, and across the board. It would put the Democrats out there as the ones proposing to slow the growth of government. And, since it would be a cap on discretionary spending, it would cap defense spending, but not entitlements. It would then put the Republicans in the position of either adding in cuts to things like Social Security (and, the only way to keep nominal spending on Social Security constant, is to cut people's monthly checks. Something they will notice right away.), or accepting defense cuts (and they've been trying to increase defense spending, since the day the sequester passed), or voting to remove language that caps federal spending. That would be some interesting political theater, there. Larry,What you just described was the sequestration budget deal that was passed to raise the debt ceiling in August 2011. There are discretionary caps in place through 2021. Essentially this is the actual item that would be legitimate to argue about in a debt/budget debate. What the GOP/TEA party is doing is like a bunch of liberals coming in the House in 2006 and shutting down the govt over the Iraq War. It is also ironic that they aren't going after entitlements either or a larger deficit reduction replacement for sequestration. Also legitimate in the discussion. I really hope you were already aware of the sequestration as being just about what you described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 More from Ezra Klein: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/30/dont-forget-what-the-shutdown-is-really-about/ Highlights 5) A few months ago, the conventional wisdom was that the negotiations over funding the government would hinge on how to replace sequestration, as the cuts are proving too deep for either Democratic or Republican appropriators. Instead, sequestration's cuts have been mostly left alone, and the argument has been entirely about Obamacare. 6) Boehner isn't really in control of his House conference, and he has no idea how to get out of this. Remember, Boehner's initial preference was to simply fund the government. His members forced him to accept Republican Sen. Ted Cruz's defunding plan. After the Senate rejected Cruz's plan, Boehner again wanted to simply fund the government. He lost again. As the National Review's Robert Costa reported, "For now, Boehner doesn't have a plan beyond passing this resolution and waiting to see what happens." There might be an even more instructive analogy. In May 2007, 140 Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to defund the Iraq war. In September of the same year, Congress voted to increase the debt limit. Imagine if Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats had threatened to breach the debt ceiling unless Republicans agreed to defund the war. At that time, approval of the Iraq war was polled at 33% in favor and 64% against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Considering the Debt Ceiling deadline is 10/17; the shut down could last until say the 20th. Nothing is going to happen because that's the next fight. What needs to happen; the voters who vote in Presidential elections and provided Obama with the winning majority in 2008 and 2012 needs to rise up and vote in 2014. They need to do what maybe impossible and defeat the Tea Party and the Republicans in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Considering the Debt Ceiling deadline is 10/17; the shut down could lost until say the 20th. Nothing is going to happen because that's the next fight. What needs to happen; the voters who vote in Presidential elections and provided Obama with the winning majority in 2008 and 2012 needs to rise up and vote in 2014. They need to do what maybe impossible and defeat the Tea Party and the Republicans in 2014. The Republicans in the House were "defeated" by 1.2m votes in 2012. They won 53% of the seats with 48% of the votes. The Dems won't take back the House until after the 2020 census IF they control the state legislatures at that time. Republicans have gerrymandered the **** out of so many states that its virtually impossible for Dems to win the House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The Senate just voted to kill the House amendments on the Government Funding CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The Senate just voted to kill the House amendments on the Government Funding CR. I for one am shocked at this outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Saw this on Twitter: The senate cares more about the redskins name offending people than taking care of what they really should be doing. #truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The Republicans in the House were "defeated" by 1.2m votes in 2012. They won 53% of the seats with 48% of the votes. The Dems won't take back the House until after the 2020 census IF they control the state legislatures at that time. Republicans have gerrymandered the **** out of so many states that its virtually impossible for Dems to win the House. funny how that works when ya draw safe districts for Dems....it do tend to weaken them elsewhere. It ain't just Reps gerrymandering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 funny how that works when ya draw safe districts for Dems....it do tend to weaken them elsewhere. It ain't just Reps gerrymandering. Math disagrees with you trying to play this off as equal fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 These guys are seriously pissing me off. They know the Senate is not going to accept anything but a clean bill. They shouldn't either. I hope they take a stand so we can stop playing politics with the Budget, CR and debt limits. The GOP has lost my vote, not that it is going to the Dems, I will either not vote or vote independent. Well looks like I get to go into the office tomorrow to sign my furlough letter....again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Math disagrees with you trying to play this off as equal fault. never said equal,nor does total votes matter much......try division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Hate to say it folks, but this **** is going to get uglier. Thanks you tea party pricks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I don't know why they cater to the tea party, stand up to them. Its not like they have power. The tea party has a choice, stop being babies and join normal discourse. Or deal with the dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The House Rules committee is meeting shortly on CSpan. One possibility mentioned was the House is planning on voting to appoint conferess to a conference with the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The House Rules committee is meeting shortly on CSpan. One possibility mentioned was the House is planning on voting to appoint conferess to a conference with the Senate. There is nothing to go to conference about. Pass the clean CR and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallen5862 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Senator Reid just refused to go to conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Senator Reid just refused to go to conference. Good. The GOP just looks like a bunch of fools without a plan right now. Either vote the CR or just admit you don't care about funding the govt you just care about doing something/anything about Obamacare. Hell, they don't even know what they want to do with Obamacare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Good. The GOP just looks like a bunch of fools without a plan right now. Either vote the CR or just admit you don't care about funding the govt you just care about doing something/anything about Obamacare. Hell, they don't even know what they want to do with Obamacare. Relax, you will get a couple days off and paid for it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacase Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Relax, you will get a couple days off and paid for it later. for some reason I doubt we get back pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Relax, you will get a couple days off and paid for it later. I'm a contractor and I have no clue how my agency will handle this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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