Emsworth Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I like Richardson as a pick in the 2nd better than Benjamin because of concerns with Benjamin's separation and skills. But I also really like Gabe Jackson at Guard, who is being projected as available in the third, not sure there is in reality too much between him and Richardson. So do you go with Benjamin and hope Jackson is still there in the third? (Or go all in with Richardson in the 2nd and Jackson in the 3rd !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 If Kelvin Benjamin's name comes up when we're on the clock with the 34th overall pick they might as well bring Cerrato back to run the draft...and bring John Mara in to advise him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Benjamin is scary. I mean scary in a very good way. Who can match up with him one on one? Revis, Sherman. Maybe one or two more corners. But that's it. Throw him in a system with a solid #1 guy and look out. Would love to have this kid in Dallas opposite of Dez Bryant. I'm seeing comparisons to Megatron but I don't think he's on that tier yet. But man, the arrow is pointed up with this kid and he is just getting better! Please, PLEASE let the Cowboys draft a WR that takes forever to generate speed coming out of breaks, needs a good 2 yards to stop so he gives his routes away, and most importantly can't change direction at the required speed to get open in the NFL. He'll do well on vertical routes in the NFL provided he has players around him that can cause his area of the field to be vacated, but if the arrow is pointed up on him that's a defensive coordinator indicating the only routes he can run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I like Richardson as a pick in the 2nd better than Benjamin because of concerns with Benjamin's separation and skills. But I also really like Gabe Jackson at Guard, who is being projected as available in the third, not sure there is in reality too much between him and Richardson. So do you go with Benjamin and hope Jackson is still there in the third? (Or go all in with Richardson in the 2nd and Jackson in the 3rd !) What I love about Richardson is how he uses his strength in the run game to blow people out of the hole. It's really awesome to watch. That's one thing Jackson doesn't do and one reason why a player with his physical attributes is a projected 3rd rounder, however I haven't seen a guard his size pass protect as well as he has. Just gives up no ground at all. I really like both guys and would be happy with either although I like Richardson a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 If Kelvin Benjamin's name comes up when we're on the clock with the 34th overall pick they might as well bring Cerrato back to run the draft...and bring John Mara in to advise him. I don't understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKKI8 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Top 15 pick for me. Wouldn't even surprise me if we saw an Eric Fisher type rise out of him throughout the process. I agree 100%, he could be top 5 come draft day, I think he is better than Fisher and has all the tools to be an All Pro for years and the next great left tackle in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You can have 3 all pro WR's and if your oline sucks then you wont be able to do ANYTHING on offense. Look at the Cards, Jags ect. Guards are easier to find than receivers. That delta is the source of the disparity in positional value. In the end though, I go with Richardson. It's a tough choice, but I think Richardson is just a better player and I've got to go with the BPA. The difference is big enough that I would put Richardson in a tier above Benjamin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 We better spend 2 of the first 3 picks on defensive line!Yes, make sure you take D-line in the first round and pass on Clinton-Dix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 I agree 100%, he could be top 5 come draft day, I think he is better than Fisher and has all the tools to be an All Pro for years and the next great left tackle in the NFL. I do too, but there are still concerns with Robinson more so with his pass blocking. I think he does have all-pro potential, but still is behind Jake Matthews for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKKI8 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I do too, but there are still concerns with Robinson more so with his pass blocking. I think he does have all-pro potential, but still is behind Jake Matthews for me Yeah his run blocking is definitly ahead of his pass blocking right now, he is an absolute road grader in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I don't understand... If anyone in our draft room sees him worthy of the 34th overall pick we're in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 If anyone in our draft room sees him worthy of the 34th overall pick we're in trouble. I mean... Most draft sites have him going late 1st/early 2nd so.. I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yeah his run blocking is definitly ahead of his pass blocking right now, he is an absolute road grader in the run game. His block on Brooks for the first TD was an absolute take out. Impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yes, make sure you take D-line in the first round and pass on Clinton-Dix. We don't have a first rounder, but I hope we do pass on Clinton Dix early. Should be better players than him available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 We don't have a first rounder, but I hope we do pass on Clinton Dix early. Should be better players than him available.Who do you have rated highly at Safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I like Gabe Jackson too. It would be hard to pass on Richardson at #34. I would prefer that we sign a guy like Geoff Schwartz in free agency and make OG in the draft less of a need. If we do that, and we don't reach for an OG in the draft, we can still go with Lichtensteiger/Gettis/LeReibus in hopes that one of them emerges. I think our OL was a victim of very poor play and that just upgrading Chester and Polumbus will have a ripple effect on Monty/Licth ... but that said, I would love Gabe in the 3rd. The question is, if you get someone like Schwartz in FA but not an RT ... would you be okay with going OT in the 2nd and OG in the 3rd? In that case, I'd almost rather go OT in the 2nd or 3rd and wait until the 4th or 5th to get someone like Bryan Stork who can come in and play a number of interior positions, but also not be pressured to start Day 1 with the interior depth we already have. Also, this hasn't been brought up much lately ... but has Cousins' trade value completely plummeted or is there a chance we can still get a team's 2nd for him? I'm not as pressed to trade him since I think he played himself out of a QB controversy, but whoever the new head coach is might want to bring in a veteran from his system to help ease the learning curve for Griff. If that's the case, I can see Cousins being marginalized regardless. Beefing up both lines is a pretty important this off-season, but I think we can do it without being pidgeon-holed to do it via the draft. I actually think a switch to the 4-3 (if we bring back Orakpo) makes the DL a strength with the only need really being depth at DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Drafttek (which I love) now has this for the Redskins draft: 2. Kelvin Benjamin, WR FSU 3. Kurtis Drummond, FS MSU 4. Demarcus Lawrence, 3-4 OLB Boise St. 5. Russell Bodine, OC UNC 6. Lamin Barrow, ILB LSU 7. Jimmie Ward, SS Northern Illinois Obv. Drafttek does the draft based on needs as of right now, so this could change a bit (or a lot). Not sure I like drafting a FS early after going S twice last year. I'd rather get a vet. in there and giving Rambo more time. Lawrence is marginalized if the team goes 4-3 or re-signs Orakpo. Bodine would fill a need in a reasonable round, and Barrow makes sense from a depth perspective, but again, marginalized if we go 4-3. Not sure I agree with drafting a SS after going FS ... just too much invested there, but I guess if you like the guy and think he can contribute on teams, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I ran the simulator with revised needs based on a free agency in which we switch to the 4-3 and: 1. Release: Carriker, Chester, Rocca 2. Re-sign: Orakpo, R. Jackson. P. Riley, D. Hall, A. Robinson, C. Baker 3. Acquire: OG, FS, WR 4. Trade: Kirk Cousins to Minnesota for the 40th pick (just go with it) Draft Results: 2. Cedric Ogbuehi, RT Texas A&M 2. Ryan Shazier, OLB Ohio State 3. Brandin Cooks, SWR Oregon State 4. Chris Davis, CB Auburn 5. Bryan Stork, OC Florida State 6. Taylor Hart, DE Oregon 7. Boseko Lokombo, OLB Oregon I would love that draft. I would maybe swap out Lokombo in the 7th for Marcus Williams the CB from North Dakota State or QB Aaron Murray. But otherwise I would be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emsworth Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Do you think Stork lasts until the 5th? I generally like his work this season, though in the BCS Title game it looked like he was having trouble with locating his block after Auburns shifts at times. Didn't notice that in other FSU games this season and he gets off the ball and into his man quickly most of the time. There doesn't seem a great number of top Centers this year, could push him into Rds 3-4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I swear if Richardson is available at 34 and we don't take him I will blow a gasket. OL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT part we need to upgrade if we want RGIII to flourish without running all over the damn place. And with Morris you know having a physical line we can get the 4 to 6 yards on almost every running play which will make it even more comfortable for RGIII. Receivers its a hit or miss for me most of the time. Lets get a number 2 in free agency. I want Richardson next to Trend and we would have a monster left side for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I swear if Richardson is available at 34 and we don't take him I will blow a gasket. OL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT part we need to upgrade if we want RGIII to flourish without running all over the damn place. And with Morris you know having a physical line we can get the 4 to 6 yards on almost every running play which will make it even more comfortable for RGIII. Receivers its a hit or miss for me most of the time. Lets get a number 2 in free agency. I want Richardson next to Trend and we would have a monster left side for years to come. Well, this I do agree with. Let's say we were to sign a RG in Geoff Schwartz from KC and a RT like Roger Saffold ... I'd be thrilled if Richardson was there at 34 and we drafted him. I would trust Will Montgomery (or JD Welton) or any other OC to play just fine in that re-vamped OL. It would be very difficult to argue with that OL being one of the best heading into 2014. The best part, is we could essentially have that OL by only investing about $7-8 million in the off-season and a 2nd round pick ... which isn't too much of an investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hell ... if you signed Schwartz and Saffold in free agency ... I'd love to draft Richardson in the 2nd and get Bryan Stork in the 5th. That would be a best-case scenario for this OL heading into 2014. That would still leave you with a 3rd, 4th (plus whatever you can get for Cousins) to try and nail down some other holes (defense). Your OL could be: LT: Trent Williams, Tom Compton LG: Cyril Richardson, Kory Lichtensteiger OC: Bryan Stork, Will Montgomery, JD Welton RG: Geoff Schwartz, Adam Gettis RT: Roger Saffold, Tyler Polumbus, Mo Hurt Now ... that's 12 linemen. If you're going to go Richardson/Stork (or any OG/OC) twice in the draft, in addition to adding a RG and RT via free agency, that you part with some of your other guys. Polumbus ($1mm) and Montgomery ($2.5mm) save you some decent change if you choose to part ways with them. Lichtensteiger really isn't much of a cap-saver at just $1mm ... and at that rate you might as well keep him around for veteran depth purposes. I'm not sure how many OL we rolled with in 2013 but my guess is you go with 9-10. LT: Trent Williams, Tom Compton LG: Cyril Richardson, Kory Lichtensteiger OC: Bryan Stork, JD Welton RG: Geoff Schwartz, Adam Gettis RT: Roger Saffold, Mo Hurt Maybe that's still overkill. Maybe that's too much turnover. Maybe you feel comfortable switching Lichtensteiger to OC and reserve OG and you pass on Stork in the 5th. Obviously it all depends on the course of free agency. I really wish we could fast forward (while still ejoying the playoff games) so we can start settling some of these coaching/personnel matters. Makes it hard to focus on draft needs with so much up in the air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Has to be Richardson if he's there. Draft Richardson and sign Mack and we instantly have the best OL in football. After that all we'd need is a solid veteran backup and a project to push Polumbus and whoever replaces Chester. Upgrading Chester would probably put a lot less pressure on Polumbus as well, who actually played well for stretches (but was bad for stretches too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You can have 3 all pro WR's and if your oline sucks then you wont be able to do ANYTHING on offense. Look at the Cards, Jags ect. All things considered Arizona had a pretty good passing offense last year. It started off slow, but the 2nd half of the season saw them doing pretty well. They were 11th in yards per play despite having a terrible rushing offense. They were 4th in total passing yards in the last 8 games. 6th in passing yards per passing attempt. 8th in completion %. They have two stud receivers in Malcolm Floyd (1st rounder in 2012) and Larry Fitzgerald (1st rounder in 2004). So despite Carson Palmer (average at best) and a terrible running game, Arizona was passing the ball well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 While signing Mack and drafting Richardson would really beef up the middle to left side of the line, it still leaves a gaping hole at RG and RT. Teams will just overload Polombus like they currently do. I'd rather draft Richardson and sign a RT or RG ... and while Mack would be a great addition ... he's going to cost a lot of dough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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