JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 And Jay Gruden is the head coach. Alright draft gurus ... how does this impact our line ... and who we may go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 And Jay Gruden is the head coach. Alright draft gurus ... how does this impact our line ... and who we may go for? Well he's running a mix of ZBS and Power. Doesn't mean much more than it always has. We need to upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I'm coming here to talk about the coach because frankly, I don't think the quality of conversation in the coach threads is as good as it is here. My personal feeling is cautious optimism so far and I think it was a good hire. I like that he's not a retread and is hungry to make his name as an NFL head coach here with the Washington Redskins. I like that he's got a background with QBs. I think it's nice when your HC has that because I think it generally means he understands the demands position better, probably will be more patient with a young QB. I think Jay Gruden is also the perfect age. Not so young that he's going to lack experience, but young enough that he can be with us for ten years and really make his NFL legacy with us. That was my biggest issue with a lot of the proposed CFB hires like Art Briles. They were just too old. My brother told me we were going to try and bring Hue Jackson along to be OC. If we do get him, I think that's a good move. I also heard that we might promote Raheem to DC, which I think is a potentially good move too. I worry a little about our personnel being a fit with the type of scheme he has a background in. I worry that it'll take a lot of draft picks to get the people he needs. But I think he's probably a better coach than Haslett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 HC: Gruden OC: McVay DC: Haslett/Morris So defense is likely going 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So Haslett and Morris are going to split DC duties? That seems weird. Who will call the plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epochalypse Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 HC: Gruden OC: McVay DC: Haslett/Morris So defense is likely going 4-3 So Haslett and Morris are going to split DC duties? That seems weird. Who will call the plays? I think he means we're still not 100% sure who the DC is but there've been rumors that we might retain Haslett and/or Morris as the DC. I'll think we'll know more hopefully at the press conference but it's possible that the FO is giving Gruden the chance to talk to them both and let him decide to retain one, the other or neither for the DC position. If either of them do stay I do think we may be looking at more of a 4-3 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 HC: Gruden OC: McVay DC: Haslett/Morris So defense is likely going 4-3 4-3 was a foregone conclusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 And Jay Gruden is the head coach. Alright draft gurus ... how does this impact our line ... and who we may go for? I think we'll go after heavier offensive linemen now but if I'm not mistaken he still runs a variation of the ZBS. Cyril Richardson should still be in play, maybe Zach Martin from Notre Dame or if you go back to his affinity for SEC offensive linemen you have Tiny Richardson or La'el Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I'd hazard a guess, that Gruden will like the RB corps we have, especially Chris Thompson. But he'll want some changes made to the WR corps. In the 3 years since Jay Gruden was their OC, they've drafted 5 WR's, none shorter than 6'2. 4 of them are about Leonard Hankerson's size, the last is AJ Green whose 6'4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 4-3 was a foregone conclusion I wonder about Kerrigan... He said he'd be willing to put on 15-20lbs to be a 4-3 DE. I just can't see him being a particularly effective one unfortunately. Not as a pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 I wonder about Kerrigan... He said he'd be willing to put on 15-20lbs to be a 4-3 DE. I just can't see him being a particularly effective one unfortunately. Not as a pass rusher. The LE position though doesn't require you to be a star pass rusher. If you can hold the edge and get 8 sacks then you're doing your job right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The LE position though doesn't require you to be a star pass rusher. If you can hold the edge and get 8 sacks then you're doing your job right Do you think that wastes some of what Kerrigan excels at? His nose for the football in space, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think we'll go after heavier offensive linemen now but if I'm not mistaken he still runs a variation of the ZBS. Cyril Richardson should still be in play, maybe Zach Martin from Notre Dame or if you go back to his affinity for SEC offensive linemen you have Tiny Richardson or La'el Collins. Zeitler is the heaviest lineman they've drafted since Jay Gruden was there. And he's like 310-315. Isn't Richardson like 340 pounds? That said, I've always felt like Cinci did more of a Gap blocking scheme. Their RT, Andre Smith, is very good at doing certain things, but extremely limited in other regards. He wins just about every battle in a phone booth, but Cinci wasn't really running stretch plays to his side. I wonder about Kerrigan... He said he'd be willing to put on 15-20lbs to be a 4-3 DE. I just can't see him being a particularly effective one unfortunately. Not as a pass rusher. Was he particularly effective as a pass rusher beforehand? He's never been great, I've always thought he's done better when someone else creates the initial pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Do you think that wastes some of what Kerrigan excels at? His nose for the football in space, for instance. I don't think so because you can get creative with him as well. If you have him, Jenkins, Orakpo back you can have Kerrigan stand up some and make plays as well as have his hand in the dirt. Kerrigan was making plays back in college as a hand in the dirt DE. It wouldn't be a tough transition IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I don't think so because you can get creative with him as well. If you have him, Jenkins, Orakpo back you can have Kerrigan stand up some and make plays as well as have his hand in the dirt. Kerrigan was making plays back in college as a hand in the dirt DE. It wouldn't be a tough transition IMO Yeah, hopefully. I know he was a DE in college but a tad undersized for it in the NFL. Hope the weight gain doesn't impact his speed too much, but like you said he doesn't have to be a pass rush specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah, hopefully. I know he was a DE in college but a tad undersized for it in the NFL. Hope the weight gain doesn't impact his speed too much, but like you said he doesn't have to be a pass rush specialist. You re-sign Orakpo to be the pass rush specialist guy. The move back to the 4-3 might be the best thing to happen to this team IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 You re-sign Orakpo to be the pass rush specialist guy. The move back to the 4-3 might be the best thing to happen to this team IMO Easier to fill our Dline holes, harder to fill our LB holes now. Same spot, different positions to fill. That's just me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Let's not forget we have a guy that was the best 4-3 nose in the NFL before he came here, and I don't know where all this noise came from that 4-3 DEs have to be 280 lbs. Easier to fill our Dline holes, harder to fill our LB holes now. Same spot, different positions to fill. That's just me though. 4-3 linebackers are much easier to come by than 3-4 linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Easier to fill our Dline holes, harder to fill our LB holes now. Same spot, different positions to fill. That's just me though. Sure, but its not that hard to find a 4-3 LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Grant and Danny went through the defense in a 4-3 switch and they still had Kerrigan at 4-3 OLB. Huh. So from who we have currently on the roster:DT: Jarvis Jenkins, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Chris Baker DE: Ryan Kerrigan, Brandon Jenkins OLB: Keenan Robinson So of the guys we need to re-sign: Orakpo - DE Riley - MLB Jackson - OLB Tapp - DE So I would imagine if we re-sign those 4 guys ... I would still expect us to draft a 4-3 OLB in the 2nd or 3rd round now. If we bring back Tapp, I think our DE depth is okay if we expect B. Jenkins to play there. I even wonder if Bowen could slide over to DE in certain packages as well. So draft priority would then go from a NT (many said McCullers in the 3rd) to OLB instead. No need for a NT anymore (OR DL DEPTH) but rather, LB Depth. D&S is high on Ryan Shazier ... he may or may not be there at 34 (i've seen a few where he goes between 31 and 40). I wouldn't mind that as a 2nd round pick, as long as FA hits on some linemen. If OLB is the #1 need going into the draft, I think it would be a successful off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Grant and Danny went through the defense in a 4-3 switch and they still had Kerrigan at 4-3 OLB. Huh. So from who we have currently on the roster: DT: Jarvis Jenkins, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Chris Baker DE: Ryan Kerrigan, Brandon Jenkins OLB: Keenan Robinson So of the guys we need to re-sign: Orakpo - DE Riley - MLB Jackson - OLB Tapp - DE So I would imagine if we re-sign those 4 guys ... I would still expect us to draft a 4-3 OLB in the 2nd or 3rd round now. If we bring back Tapp, I think our DE depth is okay if we expect B. Jenkins to play there. I even wonder if Bowen could slide over to DE in certain packages as well. So draft priority would then go from a NT (many said McCullers in the 3rd) to OLB instead. No need for a NT anymore (OR DL DEPTH) but rather, LB Depth. D&S is high on Ryan Shazier ... he may or may not be there at 34 (i've seen a few where he goes between 31 and 40). I wouldn't mind that as a 2nd round pick, as long as FA hits on some linemen. If OLB is the #1 need going into the draft, I think it would be a successful off-season. Whether we like it or not, there are a lot of parts that still need to be fixed. Well since we're looking back at a 4-3 D here's what I'd do draft wise FA: Geoff Schwartz Vontae Davis TJ Ward Golden Tate Draft: 2nd- Cyril Richardson 3rd- Denzel Perryman 4th- Cody Latimer 5th- Tyler Larsen 6th- BPA 7th- BPA A mix of O and D and allowing for both sides of the ball to be replenished moving forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 FA: Geoff Schwartz Vontae Davis TJ Ward Golden Tate Draft: 2nd- Cyril Richardson 3rd- Denzel Perryman 4th- Cody Latimer 5th- Tyler Larsen 6th- BPA 7th- BPA A mix of O and D and allowing for both sides of the ball to be replenished moving forward So I'm guessing you think we roll with Polumbus or Compton at RT? Don't mind that off-season since you're upgrading the 2 guard spots and possibly center (with Licht sliding over) ... but would love to see an RT upgrade. Thoughts on Anthony Collins from Cincy? Their LT .. hitting FA? Too costly for us to put at RT? **Edit ... actually looks like Collins plays both RT/LT and has done so for a number of games in reserve for Cincy, particularly when they moved Whitworth to OG. He might come at a decent cost and could be a huge upgrade at RT the way he played in 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 So I'm guessing you think we roll with Polumbus or Compton at RT? Don't mind that off-season since you're upgrading the 2 guard spots and possibly center (with Licht sliding over) ... but would love to see an RT upgrade. Thoughts on Anthony Collins from Cincy? Their LT .. hitting FA? Too costly for us to put at RT? **Edit ... actually looks like Collins plays both RT/LT and has done so for a number of games in reserve for Cincy, particularly when they moved Whitworth to OG. He might come at a decent cost and could be a huge upgrade at RT the way he played in 2013 Anthony Collins is going to get good money this year and I doubt he leaves Cincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 FA Defense: ... Wesley Woodyard - ILB (4-2-5) /or/ Brandon Spikes - ILB (4-2-5) Henry Melton - DT (3 Tech) /and/or/ Lamarr Houston - DT/DE (maybe double-down?) one other possible FA: DB - Slot CB or Safety. Draft comes into play. ... FA Offense: Alex Mack - C /or/ Zane Beadles - LG /or/ Jon Asamoah - G Jared Veldheer - RT/LT /or/ Geoff Schwartz - RG/RT // one other possible FA: WR - Outside or Slot. Draft comes into play. ... FA: Woodyard, Melton / (Houston), Mack, Veldheer Draft: Robinson, Pryor III, Bradford, Archer, Schofield, Dowling, Andrews 2: Allen Robinson - WR (Z) → //← Cyril Richardson - LG // Will Sutton - DT 3: Calvin Pryor III - Cover 2 SAF // J.Landry / D.Moncrief - WR // EJ Gaines - CB 3* Carl Bradford - ILB transition // Storm Johnson - RB // Yawin Smallwood - ILB 4: Dri Archer - WR (Slot / Wing)↑ // Brandon Thomas - LG ↓ // 5: Michael Schofield - RT/RG // Brandon Thomas - LG ↑ // 6: Jonathan Dowling - FS/CB // Tre Boston - FS // 7: Antonio Andrews - RB // Phillip Gaines - CB (Press) 7th to undrafted: Nevin Lawson - CB Greg Hardin - WR (Z&Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 ^^Would love Lamar Houston and Spikes if keeping 34 Love Melton if going to 43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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