Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Receivers its a hit or miss for me most of the time. Lets get a number 2 in free agency. I want Richardson next to Trend and we would have a monster left side for years to come. How many receivers have ever switched teams in free agency and continued to have success and improve? Not as many as you'd think. Most WR's that switch teams and continue to do well are through trades. If you look back at free agent wide receivers that continue to do well and/or improve with their new team, it happens less frequently than once a year. We can not rely on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Who do you have rated highly at Safety? No first round safeties IMO. I do like Calvin Pryor some, but there would be guys I like better than him at 34. Ahmad Dixon from Baylor is good, but again, I wouldn't take him at 34. On the whole, this is a week safety class at the top. I like Tre Boston but he's a late round pick. For a long term project, I'd target him. For an immediate upgrade, I'd look to free agency. But most of all, I'd want to work on developing Bacarri Rambo and Phillip Thomas. I would consider drafting Kyle Fuller and playing him at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Hell ... if you signed Schwartz and Saffold in free agency ... I'd love to draft Richardson in the 2nd and get Bryan Stork in the 5th. That would be a best-case scenario for this OL heading into 2014. That would still leave you with a 3rd, 4th (plus whatever you can get for Cousins) to try and nail down some other holes (defense). Your OL could be: LT: Trent Williams, Tom Compton LG: Cyril Richardson, Kory Lichtensteiger OC: Bryan Stork, Will Montgomery, JD Welton RG: Geoff Schwartz, Adam Gettis RT: Roger Saffold, Tyler Polumbus, Mo Hurt I'd be down with this all day. I'd even draft Stork in the 4th since the 5th seems a bit late from what I have recently read. Hopefully, you can snag a decent WR option in FA for not too much and the offense would be damn near set. The rest of FA and the 3, 5, 6 7 picks can be looked at improving defense, if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick7423 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 There are so many teams that have OL needs, it will be a crap shoot to find some we can afford, or are worth getting. I will admit that I really have no idea who is good or whatever considering OL, but here are the few FA's available. (source: overthecap.com) OL Free Agents in 2014: Unrestricted Free Agent Right Tackles: 2014Name Team Prior APY Tyson Clabo Dolphins $3,500,000 Breno Giacomini Seahawks $3,250,000 Zack Strief Saints $2,066,667 Austin Howard Jets $2,023,000 Eric Winston Cardinals $1,250,000 David Diehl Giants $1,000,000 Will Svitek Patriots $1,000,000 Khalif Barnes Raiders $915,000 Tony Pashos Raiders $840,000 Jeremy Trueblood Falcons $840,000 Jonathan Scott Bears $715,000 Dennis Roland Bengals $715,000 Guy Whimper Steelers $715,000 Mike Johnson Falcons $645,554 Sam Young Jaguars $512,625Restricted Free Agent Right Tackles: 2014 Name Team Prior APY Byron Bell Panthers $469,667 Cameron Bradfield Jaguars $466,667 Unrestricted Free Agent Guards: 2014Name Team Prior APY Richie Incognito Dolphins $4,333,333 Charlie Johnson Vikings $3,250,000 Wade Smith Texans $3,000,000 Paul McQuistan Seahawks $2,500,000 Brian Waters Cowboys $1,500,000 Rob Turner Titans $1,500,000 Chris Williams Rams $1,376,154 Mike McGlynn Colts $1,325,000 Chad Rinehart Chargers $1,250,000 Willie Colon Jets $1,200,000 Travelle Wharton Panthers $1,100,000 Zane Beadles Broncos $1,080,250 Garry Williams Panthers $1,020,834 Andre Gurode Raiders $1,005,000 Kevin Boothe Giants $905,000 Dylan Gandy Lions $905,000 Jon Asamoah Chiefs $886,280 John Jerry Dolphins $872,875 Shawn Lauvao Browns $832,500 Jamon Meredith Buccaneers $800,000 Mike Pollak Bengals $780,000 Vladimir Ducasse Jets $741,250 Jason Spitz Seahawks $715,000 Eben Britton Bears $715,000 Geoff Schwartz Chiefs $700,000 Rich Ohrnberger Chargers $675,000 Seth Olsen Vikings $670,000 Mike Gibson Cardinals $665,000 Chris Scott Panthers $630,000 Shelley Smith Rams $533,940Restricted Free Agent Guards: 2014Name Team Prior APY Danny Watkins Dolphins $555,000 Joe Reitz Colts $555,000 Eric Olsen Steelers $555,000 Ricky Henry Chiefs $510,000 Lemuel Jeanpierre Seahawks $465,000 WR Free Agents: Unrestricted Free Agent Wide Receivers: 2014Name Team Prior APY Anquan Boldin 49ers $8,333,333 Devin Hester Bears $5,489,006 Santana Moss Redskins $5,000,000 Jacoby Jones Ravens $3,250,000 James Jones Packers $3,233,333 Jeremy Maclin Eagles $2,875,000 Emmanuel Sanders Steelers $2,500,000 Darrius Heyward-Bey Colts $2,500,000 Hakeem Nicks Giants $2,215,000 Jerome Simpson Vikings $2,100,000 Kenny Britt Titans $1,830,002 Mario Manningham 49ers $1,800,000 Jerricho Cotchery Steelers $1,500,000 Dexter McCluster Chiefs $1,325,000 Domenik Hixon Panthers $1,200,000 Ted Ginn Panthers $1,100,000 Plaxico Burress Steelers $1,005,000 Kevin Walter Titans $1,005,000 Brandon Tate Bengals $966,000 Brandon Stokley Ravens $940,000 Kassim Osgood 49ers $940,000 Andre Caldwell Broncos $900,000 Brandon LaFell Panthers $869,600 Damian Williams Titans $864,063 Golden Tate Seahawks $852,875 Josh Cribbs Jets $840,000 Eric Decker Broncos $828,788 Jacoby Ford Raiders $787,211 Louis Murphy Giants $780,000 Julian Edelman Patriots $765,000 Kevin Ogletree Lions $715,000 Robert Meachem Saints $715,000 Tiquan Underwood Buccaneers $715,000 Lavelle Hawkins Chargers $715,000 Michael Spurlock Lions $715,000 Taylor Price Jaguars $661,145 Marlon Moore Dolphins $630,000 Seyi Ajirotutu Chargers $630,000 Tandon Doss Ravens $555,000 Riley Cooper Eagles $527,870 Kyle Williams Chiefs $504,838 Dezmon Briscoe Redskins $485,000Restricted Free Agent Wide Receivers: 2014Name Team Prior APY Andrew Hawkins Bengals $555,000 Dorin Dickerson Lions $555,000 Chad Hall Chiefs $555,000 Doug Baldwin Seahawks $470,833 Dane Sanzenbacher Bengals $468,333 Joe Morgan Saints $466,333 Lestar Jean Texans $441,667 Kevin Cone Falcons $415,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Rick, listing Left Tackles would help too. Most of the names that have been thrown around on here are LTs who are hitting free agency. We might have to overpay them (aka not pay them RT salaries but closer to LT salaries) but I'm pretty sure we have a healthier cap situation than most teams. There are going to be quite a few teams (Steelers, Cowboys, Lions) who will be going into the off-season more than $20 million over the cap. We will be starting with about $30 million, but as I've made the case for, gets up to $40 million by cutting Chester/Rocca/Polumbus/Montgomery. *Edit - never mind. This is the Draft database. Got confused for a moment. Either way, the tackle class is deep ... and while there may be many suitors, we have money and there are deals to be had. High-end RTs are paid around $3.5 to $5.5 million. I would think we could get someone like Saffold for the lower end, while someone like Oher/Monroe/Veldheer may cost us closer to the $5.5 million range or maybe higher if someone is offering them to be their LT. I think we can have Schwartz for $2-3 million per (making just $700k right now). Schwartz + Saffold would be an instant upgrade to the right side of the line and could be had for between $6-8 million. Or you could go with someone like Jon Osomoah for $6-7 million and Eugene Monroe for $6-7 million and get the "pretty names" and spend twice as much. I prefer the bargain approach since we have so many holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I mean... Most draft sites have him going late 1st/early 2nd so.. I don't know what to tell you.because most draft sites just recycle what they hear on other sites. Drafttek (which I love) now has this for the Redskins draft: 2. Kelvin Benjamin, WR FSU 3. Kurtis Drummond, FS MSU 4. Demarcus Lawrence, 3-4 OLB Boise St. 5. Russell Bodine, OC UNC 6. Lamin Barrow, ILB LSU 7. Jimmie Ward, SS Northern Illinois Obv. Drafttek does the draft based on needs as of right now, so this could change a bit (or a lot). Not sure I like drafting a FS early after going S twice last year. I'd rather get a vet. in there and giving Rambo more time. Lawrence is marginalized if the team goes 4-3 or re-signs Orakpo. Bodine would fill a need in a reasonable round, and Barrow makes sense from a depth perspective, but again, marginalized if we go 4-3. Not sure I agree with drafting a SS after going FS ... just too much invested there, but I guess if you like the guy and think he can contribute on teams, why not? I absolutely hate that mock. It's awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Goodness thats a bad one from Draftek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Has to be Richardson if he's there. Draft Richardson and sign Mack and we instantly have the best OL in football. After that all we'd need is a solid veteran backup and a project to push Polumbus and whoever replaces Chester. Upgrading Chester would probably put a lot less pressure on Polumbus as well, who actually played well for stretches (but was bad for stretches too). While Cyril Richardson is a good prospect, there is no guarantee he would pan out or even play at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Goodness thats a bad one from Draftek I had to go in and tweak their needs for the Skins. They had 3-4 OLB as a #3 (which I guess means they're assuming Jackson/Orakpo are gone) and 3-4 ILB as a #2. Also, FS was a #2, OT was a #9 ..etc. etc. Clearly that's all going to change after free agency. That's why I went in and switched it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 How many receivers have ever switched teams in free agency and continued to have success and improve? Not as many as you'd think. Most WR's that switch teams and continue to do well are through trades. If you look back at free agent wide receivers that continue to do well and/or improve with their new team, it happens less frequently than once a year. We can not rely on that. Just look at our team's history of FA WR and then what we drafted in the past 10 years. Tell me one receiver we have drafted from the 2nd round on that has become a star. Now, you got a problem with how we hit on Moss on FA? How about Garson? In my mind at least the reason we were so good under Gibbs 1 was because of a STELLAR OL. We have praised Gibbs to high heaven on what he was able to accomplish with 3 different QBs. Well the reason is they were playing behind some awesome OLs and any decent QB can kill you when you give him time. Right now I would take a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection for RGIII over any WR in the NFL and yes that includes Megatron. Combine that with an OL that can run block you don't need a mega star WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 How many receivers have ever switched teams in free agency and continued to have success and improve? Not as many as you'd think. Most WR's that switch teams and continue to do well are through trades. If you look back at free agent wide receivers that continue to do well and/or improve with their new team, it happens less frequently than once a year. We can not rely on that. how many rookie WR drafted outside of the first round come in and become a number 1 or 2? A lot less than the amount of free agents.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yawin Smallwood is quickly becoming my favorite player in the draft. If he played for Bama he would be a top 20 pick. Looking more and more like he will be a 2nd round pick as people actually start watching his film. God I hope he runs a slow 40.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 how many rookie WR drafted outside of the first round come in and become a number 1 or 2? A lot less than the amount of free agents.. No seriously, look this up. Just look at our team's history of FA WR and then what we drafted in the past 10 years. Tell me one receiver we have drafted from the 2nd round on that has become a star. Now, you got a problem with how we hit on Moss on FA? Yes I do have a problem with that. Because we did not get Moss in FA, we traded for him. Garcon is looking like a pretty good success from Free Agency, but when you go back to say, over the past decade it's really hard to find any quality WR's that hit FA. Most years don't seem to have 1 free agent wide receiver that either maintains pretty good production or improves enough to have pretty good production. 2013 had none, Wallace disappointed, Jennings had his worst (healthy) year since his rookie season, Amendola got hurt again (which is why St. Louis let him walk). 2012 had 2 WR's, Garcon and Vincent Jackson. 2011 had none. 2010 had none. 2009 had 1 WR, Nate Washington, but he only really started producing for them in the 3rd year of his deal. 2008 had none. If you want quality WR production, you need to look to the draft. Well the reason is they were playing behind some awesome OLs and any decent QB can kill you when you give him time. Right now I would take a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection for RGIII over any WR in the NFL and yes that includes Megatron. Combine that with an OL that can run block you don't need a mega star WR. An offensive line like that, does not exist. There is no offensive line in the league that will let you have "a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection". Let's say you do have an o-line that's historically and freakishly dominant like that. How do you pay them? What happens in free agency? Suddenly 1 Megatron is a bargain compared to 5 guys who must be future HoFers if they regularly give you 3 additional seconds of pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 No seriously, look this up. Yes I do have a problem with that. Because we did not get Moss in FA, we traded for him. Garcon is looking like a pretty good success from Free Agency, but when you go back to say, over the past decade it's really hard to find any quality WR's that hit FA. Most years don't seem to have 1 free agent wide receiver that either maintains pretty good production or improves enough to have pretty good production. 2013 had none, Wallace disappointed, Jennings had his worst (healthy) year since his rookie season, Amendola got hurt again (which is why St. Louis let him walk). 2012 had 2 WR's, Garcon and Vincent Jackson. 2011 had none. 2010 had none. 2009 had 1 WR, Nate Washington, but he only really started producing for them in the 3rd year of his deal. 2008 had none. If you want quality WR production, you need to look to the draft. An offensive line like that, does not exist. There is no offensive line in the league that will let you have "a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection". Let's say you do have an o-line that's historically and freakishly dominant like that. How do you pay them? What happens in free agency? Suddenly 1 Megatron is a bargain compared to 5 guys who must be future HoFers if they regularly give you 3 additional seconds of pass protection. Don't agree at all and I will leave it at that. You did watch the SF GB playoff game last week, there were times Rodgers had all day to throw back there and we are talking a very good SF D. Bottom line we must protect RGIII, he will need time to develop as a pocket passer and he can't do it if our OL can't pass protect. Also I don't think there is much doubt left we have a beast in Morris. lets get this kid a line that can block with nastiness and let him loose on the league. I am ok with Garson as number one and Hank as number two if it means we have the best OL in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Just look at our team's history of FA WR and then what we drafted in the past 10 years. Tell me one receiver we have drafted from the 2nd round on that has become a star. Now, you got a problem with how we hit on Moss on FA? How about Garson? In my mind at least the reason we were so good under Gibbs 1 was because of a STELLAR OL. We have praised Gibbs to high heaven on what he was able to accomplish with 3 different QBs. Well the reason is they were playing behind some awesome OLs and any decent QB can kill you when you give him time. Right now I would take a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection for RGIII over any WR in the NFL and yes that includes Megatron. Combine that with an OL that can run block you don't need a mega star WR.I wouldn't really count cerrato's draft picks in that equation. You could make the same argument for free agent o linemen vs o linemen drafted in the 2nd or later for us. We sucked across the board.Don't agree at all and I will leave it at that. You did watch the SF GB playoff game last week, there were times Rodgers had all day to throw back there and we are talking a very good SF D. Bottom line we must protect RGIII, he will need time to develop as a pocket passer and he can't do it if our OL can't pass protect. Also I don't think there is much doubt left we have a beast in Morris. lets get this kid a line that can block with nastiness and let him loose on the league. I am ok with Garson as number one and Hank as number two if it means we have the best OL in football.You do realize it is the gb o line that is much maligned and their receiving corp that is considered one of the best in football, right? It's pretty much an example that is the antithesis of your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I am ok with Garson as number one and Hank as number two if it means we have the best OL in football. We don't even know if Hank is capable of being a number two next season. He tore two ligaments in his knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Don't agree at all and I will leave it at that. You did watch the SF GB playoff game last week, there were times Rodgers had all day to throw back there and we are talking a very good SF D. Bottom line we must protect RGIII, he will need time to develop as a pocket passer and he can't do it if our OL can't pass protect. Also I don't think there is much doubt left we have a beast in Morris. lets get this kid a line that can block with nastiness and let him loose on the league. I am ok with Garson as number one and Hank as number two if it means we have the best OL in football. We are not gonna have the best oline in football unless we spend almost all of our cap space on the offensive line, which means neglecting the defense that is in dire need of talent. If we somehow do draft Cyril Richardson and sign Veldeer and Mack how much cap space would that leave for our free agents to be and anyone we would sign for the defense? There needs to be a balance between offensive and defensive players signed/drafted as well as leaving enough space for resigning Kerrigan, Williams, Morris and rg3 in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 We are not gonna have the best oline in football unless we spend almost all of our cap space on the offensive line, which means neglecting the defense that is in dire need of talent. If we somehow do draft Cyril Richardson and sign Veldeer and Mack how much cap space would that leave for our free agents to be and anyone we would sign for the defense? There needs to be a balance between offensive and defensive players signed/drafted as well as leaving enough space for resigning Kerrigan, Williams, Morris and rg3 in the future As a 2nd round pick Richardson in this day and age will be very cheap. After that I would take either Veldeer or Mack but not both, not everyone on on our OL is for the trash. We have close to 30 million in cap space, I say we have plenty of money to get some decent defensive help and still have money left over put away for the future. You want to see cap hell just take a look at the boys. We for the first time in a long time are in the driving seat when it comes to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 As a 2nd round pick Richardson in this day and age will be very cheap. After that I would take either Veldeer or Mack but not both, not everyone on on our OL is for the trash. We have close to 30 million in cap space, I say we have plenty of money to get some decent defensive help and still have money left over put away for the future. You want to see cap hell just take a look at the boys. We for the first time in a long time are in the driving seat when it comes to the cap. ok so you take veldeer, you still have a huge hole at right guard. Chester simply sucks too much to start another year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraofSkins08 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I have a feeling we will give Trent a contract extension this off-season, and I may be wrong, but it shouldn't have that huge of an impact against our cap. We are going to revamp our O-line, but it will not be the best in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemoveSnyder Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Uhm, speaking for myself, but compelled to chime in since I feel like I started the landslide. Personally, I'm counting on T. Compton and Mo. Hurt to battle for the RG spot. Chester can go for all I'm concerned. It's time for one of those guys to either own it or not. You can always draft LG. And, again, speaking personally IMO, you can have K. Lich as well as Monty platoon for the interior. This means depth, an invaluable thing. But not just depth, former starters turned depth, there's a distinction. There is more that I've thought about, but I'll save it for later and this pretty much crosses over to the free agency thread, so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Uhm, speaking for myself, but compelled to chime in since I feel like I started the landslide. Personally, I'm counting on T. Compton and Mo. Hurt to battle for the RG spot. Chester can go for all I'm concerned. It's time for one of those guys to either own it or not. You can always draft LG. And, again, speaking personally IMO, you can have K. Lich as well as Monty platoon for the interior. This means depth, an invaluable thing. But not just depth, former starters turned depth, there's a distinction. There is more that I've thought about, but I'll save it for later and this pretty much crosses over to the free agency thread, so. My thought is Chester and Montgomery get let go and that saves about 7 mil per year in cap space (not in year 1, but in subsequent years, and it's easy to structure contracts to work around that). If I use those savings to sign Jon Asamoah, and then spend 6-7 mil on Saffold, then I have 3 spots I feel great about, with Lichtensteiger (who I think would be better at C), Hurt, Gettis, Compton, Polumbus and LeRibeus left over. Then I see how the draft shakes out, not needing a lineman but certainly being able to take one if I like. I think the line's fixed without blowing all the cap space or being forced to use a top pick there. On top of it all, I think you might be able to trade Monty for a late round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Perhaps if we are to take the next step we give the kids we drafted a chance to go out and scrap and make a name for themselves instead of flinging money everywhere. Just a thought, works for other teams, never been tried here. Back to the draft, here's my guy at WR. He's not 6'3 220 but believe it or not, wide receivers don't need to be. He has so much subtlety to the way he runs his routes as you can see by the way he sets up defensive backs and doesn't give away what his next step will be. He has incredible body control and balance. He can stop on a dime and change direction in a heartbeat when he's in higher gears. He also hits those higher gears in the blink of an eye. Best of all he's a smart wide receiver and smart wide receivers always get overlooked until the GM that drafted Kelvin Benjamin realizes he should have drafted Paul Richardson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Oh and if we're talking about WR's who can contribute later on, give me this kid every day of the week. He's going to find a home in the NFL and make plays for a long time Jalen Saunders. WR Oklahoma Kid had so much potential to be a star slot WR and PR/KR guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Oh and if we're talking about WR's who can contribute later on, give me this kid every day of the week. He's going to find a home in the NFL and make plays for a long time Jalen Saunders. WR Oklahoma Kid had so much potential to be a star slot WR and PR/KR guy 5:38 in the Oklahoma State game is a microcosm of why you might be right. Tremendous quickness and more strength than you think he has when you look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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