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Receivers its a hit or miss for me most of the time.  Lets get a number 2 in free agency.  I want Richardson next to Trend and we would have a monster left side for years to come.

 

How many receivers have ever switched teams in free agency and continued to have success and improve?  Not as many as you'd think.  Most WR's that switch teams and continue to do well are through trades.

 

If you look back at free agent wide receivers that continue to do well and/or improve with their new team, it happens less frequently than once a year.

 

We can not rely on that.

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Who do you have rated highly at Safety?

No first round safeties IMO.

I do like Calvin Pryor some, but there would be guys I like better than him at 34.

Ahmad Dixon from Baylor is good, but again, I wouldn't take him at 34.

On the whole, this is a week safety class at the top. I like Tre Boston but he's a late round pick. For a long term project, I'd target him. For an immediate upgrade, I'd look to free agency.

But most of all, I'd want to work on developing Bacarri Rambo and Phillip Thomas.

I would consider drafting Kyle Fuller and playing him at safety.

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Hell ... if you signed Schwartz and Saffold in free agency ... I'd love to draft Richardson in the 2nd and get Bryan Stork in the 5th. That would be a best-case scenario for this OL heading into 2014. That would still leave you with a 3rd, 4th (plus whatever you can get for Cousins) to try and nail down some other holes (defense). Your OL could be:

 

LT: Trent Williams, Tom Compton

LG: Cyril Richardson, Kory Lichtensteiger

OC: Bryan Stork, Will Montgomery, JD Welton

RG: Geoff Schwartz, Adam Gettis

RT: Roger Saffold, Tyler Polumbus, Mo Hurt

 

I'd be down with this all day. I'd even draft Stork in the 4th since the 5th seems a bit late from what I have recently read. 

 

Hopefully, you can snag a decent WR option in FA for not too much and the offense would be damn near set. The rest of FA and the 3, 5, 6 7 picks can be looked at improving defense, if needed 

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There are so many teams that have OL needs, it will be a crap shoot to find some we can afford, or are worth getting. I will admit that I really have no idea who is good or whatever considering OL, but here are the few FA's available. (source: overthecap.com)

 

OL Free Agents in 2014:

 

Unrestricted Free Agent Right Tackles: 2014
Name Team Prior APY

Tyson Clabo Dolphins $3,500,000

Breno Giacomini Seahawks $3,250,000

Zack Strief Saints $2,066,667

Austin Howard Jets $2,023,000

Eric Winston Cardinals $1,250,000

David Diehl Giants $1,000,000

Will Svitek Patriots $1,000,000

Khalif Barnes Raiders $915,000

Tony Pashos Raiders $840,000

Jeremy Trueblood Falcons $840,000

Jonathan Scott Bears $715,000

Dennis Roland Bengals $715,000

Guy Whimper Steelers $715,000

Mike Johnson Falcons $645,554

Sam Young Jaguars $512,625

Restricted Free Agent Right Tackles: 2014

Name Team Prior APY

Byron Bell Panthers $469,667

Cameron Bradfield Jaguars $466,667

 

Unrestricted Free Agent Guards: 2014
Name Team Prior APY

Richie Incognito Dolphins $4,333,333

Charlie Johnson Vikings $3,250,000

Wade Smith Texans $3,000,000

Paul McQuistan Seahawks $2,500,000

Brian Waters Cowboys $1,500,000

Rob Turner Titans $1,500,000

Chris Williams Rams $1,376,154

Mike McGlynn Colts $1,325,000

Chad Rinehart Chargers $1,250,000

Willie Colon Jets $1,200,000 Travelle

Wharton Panthers $1,100,000

Zane Beadles Broncos $1,080,250

Garry Williams Panthers $1,020,834

Andre Gurode Raiders $1,005,000

Kevin Boothe Giants $905,000

Dylan Gandy Lions $905,000

Jon Asamoah Chiefs $886,280

John Jerry Dolphins $872,875

Shawn Lauvao Browns $832,500

Jamon Meredith Buccaneers $800,000

Mike Pollak Bengals $780,000

Vladimir Ducasse Jets $741,250

Jason Spitz Seahawks $715,000

Eben Britton Bears $715,000

Geoff Schwartz Chiefs $700,000

Rich Ohrnberger Chargers $675,000

Seth Olsen Vikings $670,000

Mike Gibson Cardinals $665,000

Chris Scott Panthers $630,000

Shelley Smith Rams $533,940

Restricted Free Agent Guards: 2014
Name Team Prior APY

Danny Watkins Dolphins $555,000

Joe Reitz Colts $555,000

Eric Olsen Steelers $555,000

Ricky Henry Chiefs $510,000

Lemuel Jeanpierre Seahawks $465,000

 

WR Free Agents:

Unrestricted Free Agent Wide Receivers: 2014
Name Team Prior APY

Anquan Boldin 49ers $8,333,333

Devin Hester Bears $5,489,006

Santana Moss Redskins $5,000,000

Jacoby Jones Ravens $3,250,000

James Jones Packers $3,233,333

Jeremy Maclin Eagles $2,875,000

Emmanuel Sanders Steelers $2,500,000

Darrius Heyward-Bey Colts $2,500,000

Hakeem Nicks Giants $2,215,000

Jerome Simpson Vikings $2,100,000

Kenny Britt Titans $1,830,002

Mario Manningham 49ers $1,800,000

Jerricho Cotchery Steelers $1,500,000

Dexter McCluster Chiefs $1,325,000

Domenik Hixon Panthers $1,200,000

Ted Ginn Panthers $1,100,000

Plaxico Burress Steelers $1,005,000

Kevin Walter Titans $1,005,000

Brandon Tate Bengals $966,000

Brandon Stokley Ravens $940,000

Kassim Osgood 49ers $940,000

Andre Caldwell Broncos $900,000

Brandon LaFell Panthers $869,600

Damian Williams Titans $864,063

Golden Tate Seahawks $852,875

Josh Cribbs Jets $840,000

Eric Decker Broncos $828,788

Jacoby Ford Raiders $787,211

Louis Murphy Giants $780,000

Julian Edelman Patriots $765,000

Kevin Ogletree Lions $715,000

Robert Meachem Saints $715,000

Tiquan Underwood Buccaneers $715,000

Lavelle Hawkins Chargers $715,000

Michael Spurlock Lions $715,000

Taylor Price Jaguars $661,145

Marlon Moore Dolphins $630,000

Seyi Ajirotutu Chargers $630,000

Tandon Doss Ravens $555,000

Riley Cooper Eagles $527,870

Kyle Williams Chiefs $504,838

Dezmon Briscoe Redskins $485,000

Restricted Free Agent Wide Receivers: 2014
Name Team Prior APY

Andrew Hawkins Bengals $555,000

Dorin Dickerson Lions $555,000

Chad Hall Chiefs $555,000

Doug Baldwin Seahawks $470,833

Dane Sanzenbacher Bengals $468,333

Joe Morgan Saints $466,333

Lestar Jean Texans $441,667

Kevin Cone Falcons $415,000

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Rick, listing Left Tackles would help too. Most of the names that have been thrown around on here are LTs who are hitting free agency. We might have to overpay them (aka not pay them RT salaries but closer to LT salaries) but I'm pretty sure we have a healthier cap situation than most teams. There are going to be quite a few teams (Steelers, Cowboys, Lions) who will be going into the off-season more than $20 million over the cap. We will be starting with about $30 million, but as I've made the case for, gets up to $40 million by cutting Chester/Rocca/Polumbus/Montgomery.

 

*Edit - never mind. This is the Draft database. Got confused for a moment. Either way, the tackle class is deep ... and while there may be many suitors, we have money and there are deals to be had. High-end RTs are paid around $3.5 to $5.5 million. I would think we could get someone like Saffold for the lower end, while someone like Oher/Monroe/Veldheer may cost us closer to the $5.5 million range or maybe higher if someone is offering them to be their LT.

I think we can have Schwartz for $2-3 million per (making just $700k right now). Schwartz + Saffold would be an instant upgrade to the right side of the line and could be had for between $6-8 million.

 

Or you could go with someone like Jon Osomoah for $6-7 million and Eugene Monroe for $6-7 million and get the "pretty names" and spend twice as much. I prefer the bargain approach since we have so many holes.

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I mean... Most draft sites have him going late 1st/early 2nd so.. I don't know what to tell you.

because most draft sites just recycle what they hear on other sites.

Drafttek (which I love) now has this for the Redskins draft:

2. Kelvin Benjamin, WR FSU

3. Kurtis Drummond, FS MSU

4. Demarcus Lawrence, 3-4 OLB Boise St.

5. Russell Bodine, OC UNC

6. Lamin Barrow, ILB LSU

7. Jimmie Ward, SS Northern Illinois

Obv. Drafttek does the draft based on needs as of right now, so this could change a bit (or a lot). Not sure I like drafting a FS early after going S twice last year. I'd rather get a vet. in there and giving Rambo more time. Lawrence is marginalized if the team goes 4-3 or re-signs Orakpo. Bodine would fill a need in a reasonable round, and Barrow makes sense from a depth perspective, but again, marginalized if we go 4-3. Not sure I agree with drafting a SS after going FS ... just too much invested there, but I guess if you like the guy and think he can contribute on teams, why not?

I absolutely hate that mock. It's awful.
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Has to be Richardson if he's there. Draft Richardson and sign Mack and we instantly have the best OL in football. After that all we'd need is a solid veteran backup and a project to push Polumbus and whoever replaces Chester. Upgrading Chester would probably put a lot less pressure on Polumbus as well, who actually played well for stretches (but was bad for stretches too).

While Cyril Richardson is a good prospect, there is no guarantee he would pan out or even play at a high level.
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Goodness thats a bad one from Draftek

I had to go in and tweak their needs for the Skins. They had 3-4 OLB as a #3 (which I guess means they're assuming Jackson/Orakpo are gone) and 3-4 ILB as a #2. Also, FS was a #2, OT was a #9 ..etc. etc. 

 

Clearly that's all going to change after free agency. That's why I went in and switched it up.

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How many receivers have ever switched teams in free agency and continued to have success and improve?  Not as many as you'd think.  Most WR's that switch teams and continue to do well are through trades.

 

If you look back at free agent wide receivers that continue to do well and/or improve with their new team, it happens less frequently than once a year.

 

We can not rely on that.

Just look at our team's history of FA WR and then what we drafted in the past 10 years.  Tell me one receiver we have drafted from the 2nd round on that has become a star.  Now, you got a problem with how we hit on Moss on FA?  How about Garson?  In my mind at least the reason we were so good under Gibbs 1 was because of a STELLAR OL.  We have praised Gibbs to high heaven on what he was able to accomplish with 3 different QBs.  Well the reason is they were playing behind some awesome OLs and any decent QB can kill you when you give him time.  Right now I would take a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection for RGIII over any WR in the NFL and yes that includes Megatron.  Combine that with an OL that can run block you don't need a mega star WR.

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How many receivers have ever switched teams in free agency and continued to have success and improve?  Not as many as you'd think.  Most WR's that switch teams and continue to do well are through trades.

 

If you look back at free agent wide receivers that continue to do well and/or improve with their new team, it happens less frequently than once a year.

 

We can not rely on that.

how many rookie WR drafted outside of the first round come in and become a number 1 or 2? A lot less than the amount of free agents..
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how many rookie WR drafted outside of the first round come in and become a number 1 or 2? A lot less than the amount of free agents..

 

No seriously, look this up.

Just look at our team's history of FA WR and then what we drafted in the past 10 years.  Tell me one receiver we have drafted from the 2nd round on that has become a star.  Now, you got a problem with how we hit on Moss on FA?

 

Yes I do have a problem with that.  Because we did not get Moss in FA, we traded for him.  Garcon is looking like a pretty good success from Free Agency, but when you go back to say, over the past decade it's really hard to find any quality WR's that hit FA.  Most years don't seem to have 1 free agent wide receiver that either maintains pretty good production or improves enough to have pretty good production.

 

2013 had none, Wallace disappointed, Jennings had his worst (healthy) year since his rookie season, Amendola got hurt again (which is why St. Louis let him walk).  2012 had 2 WR's, Garcon and Vincent Jackson.  2011 had none.  2010 had none.  2009 had 1 WR, Nate Washington, but he only really started producing for them in the 3rd year of his deal.  2008 had none.

 

If you want quality WR production, you need to look to the draft.

 

 

Well the reason is they were playing behind some awesome OLs and any decent QB can kill you when you give him time.  Right now I would take a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection for RGIII over any WR in the NFL and yes that includes Megatron.  Combine that with an OL that can run block you don't need a mega star WR.

 

An offensive line like that, does not exist.  There is no offensive line in the league that will let you have "a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection".

 

Let's say you do have an o-line that's historically and freakishly dominant like that.  How do you pay them?  What happens in free agency?  Suddenly 1 Megatron is a bargain compared to 5 guys who must be future HoFers if they regularly give you 3 additional seconds of pass protection.

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No seriously, look this up.

 

Yes I do have a problem with that.  Because we did not get Moss in FA, we traded for him.  Garcon is looking like a pretty good success from Free Agency, but when you go back to say, over the past decade it's really hard to find any quality WR's that hit FA.  Most years don't seem to have 1 free agent wide receiver that either maintains pretty good production or improves enough to have pretty good production.

 

2013 had none, Wallace disappointed, Jennings had his worst (healthy) year since his rookie season, Amendola got hurt again (which is why St. Louis let him walk).  2012 had 2 WR's, Garcon and Vincent Jackson.  2011 had none.  2010 had none.  2009 had 1 WR, Nate Washington, but he only really started producing for them in the 3rd year of his deal.  2008 had none.

 

If you want quality WR production, you need to look to the draft.

 

 

An offensive line like that, does not exist.  There is no offensive line in the league that will let you have "a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection".

 

Let's say you do have an o-line that's historically and freakishly dominant like that.  How do you pay them?  What happens in free agency?  Suddenly 1 Megatron is a bargain compared to 5 guys who must be future HoFers if they regularly give you 3 additional seconds of pass protection.

Don't agree at all and I will leave it at that.  You did watch the SF GB playoff game last week, there were times Rodgers had all day to throw back there and we are talking a very good SF D.  Bottom line we must protect RGIII, he will need time to develop as a pocket passer and he can't do it if our OL can't pass protect.  Also I don't think there is much doubt left we have a beast in Morris.  lets get this kid a line that can block with nastiness and let him loose on the league.  I am ok with Garson as number one and Hank as number two if it means we have the best OL in football.

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Just look at our team's history of FA WR and then what we drafted in the past 10 years. Tell me one receiver we have drafted from the 2nd round on that has become a star. Now, you got a problem with how we hit on Moss on FA? How about Garson? In my mind at least the reason we were so good under Gibbs 1 was because of a STELLAR OL. We have praised Gibbs to high heaven on what he was able to accomplish with 3 different QBs. Well the reason is they were playing behind some awesome OLs and any decent QB can kill you when you give him time. Right now I would take a consistent 3 additional seconds of pass protection for RGIII over any WR in the NFL and yes that includes Megatron. Combine that with an OL that can run block you don't need a mega star WR.

I wouldn't really count cerrato's draft picks in that equation. You could make the same argument for free agent o linemen vs o linemen drafted in the 2nd or later for us. We sucked across the board.

Don't agree at all and I will leave it at that. You did watch the SF GB playoff game last week, there were times Rodgers had all day to throw back there and we are talking a very good SF D. Bottom line we must protect RGIII, he will need time to develop as a pocket passer and he can't do it if our OL can't pass protect. Also I don't think there is much doubt left we have a beast in Morris. lets get this kid a line that can block with nastiness and let him loose on the league. I am ok with Garson as number one and Hank as number two if it means we have the best OL in football.

You do realize it is the gb o line that is much maligned and their receiving corp that is considered one of the best in football, right? It's pretty much an example that is the antithesis of your point.
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Don't agree at all and I will leave it at that.  You did watch the SF GB playoff game last week, there were times Rodgers had all day to throw back there and we are talking a very good SF D.  Bottom line we must protect RGIII, he will need time to develop as a pocket passer and he can't do it if our OL can't pass protect.  Also I don't think there is much doubt left we have a beast in Morris.  lets get this kid a line that can block with nastiness and let him loose on the league.  I am ok with Garson as number one and Hank as number two if it means we have the best OL in football.

We are not gonna have the best oline in football unless we spend almost all of our cap space on the offensive line, which means neglecting the defense that is in dire need of talent. If we somehow do draft Cyril Richardson and sign Veldeer and Mack how much cap space would that leave for our free agents to be and anyone we would sign for the defense? There needs to be a balance between offensive and defensive players signed/drafted as well as leaving enough space for resigning Kerrigan, Williams, Morris and rg3 in the future
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We are not gonna have the best oline in football unless we spend almost all of our cap space on the offensive line, which means neglecting the defense that is in dire need of talent. If we somehow do draft Cyril Richardson and sign Veldeer and Mack how much cap space would that leave for our free agents to be and anyone we would sign for the defense? There needs to be a balance between offensive and defensive players signed/drafted as well as leaving enough space for resigning Kerrigan, Williams, Morris and rg3 in the future

As a 2nd round pick Richardson in this day and age will be very cheap.  After that I would take either Veldeer or Mack but not both, not everyone on on our OL is for the trash.  We have close to 30 million in cap space, I say we have plenty of money to get some decent defensive help and still have money left over put away for the future.  You want to see cap hell just take a look at the boys.  We for the first time in a long time are in the driving seat when it comes to the cap.

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As a 2nd round pick Richardson in this day and age will be very cheap.  After that I would take either Veldeer or Mack but not both, not everyone on on our OL is for the trash.  We have close to 30 million in cap space, I say we have plenty of money to get some decent defensive help and still have money left over put away for the future.  You want to see cap hell just take a look at the boys.  We for the first time in a long time are in the driving seat when it comes to the cap.

ok so you take veldeer, you still have a huge hole at right guard. Chester simply sucks too much to start another year
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Uhm, speaking for myself, but compelled to chime in since I feel like I started the landslide. Personally, I'm counting on T. Compton and Mo. Hurt to battle for the RG spot.

 

Chester can go for all I'm concerned.

 

It's time for one of those guys to either own it or not.

 

You can always draft LG. And, again, speaking personally IMO, you can have K. Lich as well as Monty platoon for the interior. This means depth, an invaluable thing. But not just depth, former starters turned depth, there's a distinction.

 

There is more that I've thought about, but I'll save it for later and this pretty much crosses over to the free agency thread, so.

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Uhm, speaking for myself, but compelled to chime in since I feel like I started the landslide. Personally, I'm counting on T. Compton and Mo. Hurt to battle for the RG spot.

 

Chester can go for all I'm concerned.

 

It's time for one of those guys to either own it or not.

 

You can always draft LG. And, again, speaking personally IMO, you can have K. Lich as well as Monty platoon for the interior. This means depth, an invaluable thing. But not just depth, former starters turned depth, there's a distinction.

 

There is more that I've thought about, but I'll save it for later and this pretty much crosses over to the free agency thread, so.

My thought is Chester and  Montgomery get let go and that saves about 7 mil per year in cap space (not in year 1, but in subsequent years, and it's easy to structure contracts to work around that).

If I use those savings to sign Jon Asamoah, and then spend 6-7 mil on Saffold, then I have 3 spots I feel great about, with Lichtensteiger (who I think would be better at C), Hurt, Gettis, Compton, Polumbus and LeRibeus left over.

Then I see how the draft shakes out, not needing a lineman but certainly being able to take one if I like. 

 

I think the line's fixed without blowing all the cap space or being forced to use a top pick there.

 

On top of it all, I think you might be able to trade Monty for a late round pick.

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Perhaps if we are to take the next step we give the kids we drafted a chance to go out and scrap and make a name for themselves instead of flinging money everywhere. Just a thought, works for other teams, never been tried here.

 

Back to the draft, here's my guy at WR. He's not 6'3 220 but believe it or not, wide receivers don't need to be. He has so much subtlety to the way he runs his routes as you can see by the way he sets up defensive backs and doesn't give away what his next step will be. He has incredible body control and balance. He can stop on a dime and change direction in a heartbeat when he's in higher gears. He also hits those higher gears in the blink of an eye. Best of all he's a smart wide receiver and smart wide receivers always get overlooked until the GM that drafted Kelvin Benjamin realizes he should have drafted Paul Richardson

 

 

 

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Oh and if we're talking about WR's who can contribute later on, give me this kid every day of the week. He's going to find a home in the NFL and make plays for a long time

 

Jalen Saunders. WR Oklahoma

 

 

 

 

Kid had so much potential to be a star slot WR and PR/KR guy 

 

5:38 in the Oklahoma State game is a microcosm of why you might be right. Tremendous quickness and more strength than you think he has when you look at him.

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