abdcskins Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Next time a cop stops and talks to me the first three things I'm going to say are, "I don't consent to any searches. I don't consent to any seizures. What crime do you suspect me of committing?", then hope the cop just lets me go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 That kid was definitely out to prove something. He was probably carrying the gun in hopes of getting caught. He probably spent 2 months studying this one law. I'm with you. I've seen enough of these videos and I'm honestly tired of both sides trying to make a point. What did this guy succeed in doing? Looking like a douchebag, pissing off two police officers, and getting put on the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 let's just say he's lucky the cop wanted to keep his job...and the law student probably hasn't had a friend his entire life. Yeah He's lucky he was in Portland and not in Boston or NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajlaird82 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 What a doucher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'm with you. I've seen enough of these videos and I'm honestly tired of both sides trying to make a point.What did this guy succeed in doing? Looking like a douchebag, pissing off two police officers, and getting put on the radar. Come on man... confronting authorities is how public opinion is formed in this country... We are erecting a 9 foot statue of Rosa Parks at the capital this morning for basically doing the same thing this kid did only on a different topic. Actually Rosa was even more out on a limb because the sit in the back of the buss law was a local law which nobody questioned the validity of. This kid is just asking that his lawful rights be recognized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 1 Recall, more than a decade ago, I was living in Oklahoma City. Oklahoma had just passed a new "child pornography" law. One which made it criminal for anyone to possess any image, video, text, or audio, in which any person, description, or depiction of any person under the age of 18 suggested any for of sexual;, romantic, or suggestive relationship. According to the newspaper article I read about it, at 10 minutes after Midnight, on the day that the law went into effect, an officer of the OCPD knocked on the door of the head of the Oklahoma chapter of the ACLU, informed him that he didn;t need a warrant to enter (that was part of the new law), and arrested him for possession of a VHS of "Romeo and Juliette", which the head of the ACLU had rented the day before, specifically for this event. The press were notified in advance of the arrest, so they were there waiting when the arrest occurred. They all knew the law was going to get challenged. They knew it when they passed it. So, to get it over with, they literally staged a crime, so that they cound arrest somebody for it, so they all could go to court, where they knew the law was going to end up, anyway. Was that the "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it" trial? Back on topic, yeah, that kid was technically in the right, but as was stated earlier, all he had to do was give the cop his ID and that 3:30 video would have been over and done with in 15 seconds. But good job putting yourself on the police radar, kid. Next time you do so much as jaywalk you're getting a ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedr01 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Agreed. He should probably try harder to get a part time job or something... Even going through law school doesn't guarantee you much these days besides a world of debt... Not much out there. Actually for most law schools you can't have a job while attending, at least that's the case for the law school my brother in law attends, and the ones he applied to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 wow i don't see a guy being an *******, i see a guy who knows his rights. how was he being a giant tool about it? he was being questioned...people tend to get a little excitable when things like that happen so yeah he seemed a little edgy and eager to speak over the cop (which was rude)...but he was simply showing he wouldn't be pushed around or strong armed by the police because he knew his rights. The police hate people like him because he understands his rights and how to protect himself. I can understand how many of you sense a hint of "doucheism" within the guy, but honestly he handled it exactly how a citizen should handle it when they're being harassed for no legit reason. and to say he's a law student simply so he can walk around with a gun and do these kind of things....that's completely unfounded. You don't know this guy. Unless of course there's more to the video i'm missing, but those labeling this guy as a "troublemaker" for lack of a better term...sorry i disagree. rude? yeah a little bit, but that's as far as i'll take it. but to say he should be out "getting in the way of ambulances" or whatever was said....talk about a toolbag type of comment. The guy in this video did nothing of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Actually for most law schools you can't have a job while attending, at least that's the case for the law school my brother in law attends, and the ones he applied to. Really? Not even an internship or something with a law office or something of the nature? ---------- Post added February-27th-2013 at 02:40 PM ---------- wow i don't see a guy being an *******, i see a guy who knows his rights. how was he being a giant tool about it? he was being questioned...people tend to get a little excitable when things like that happen so yeah he seemed a little edgy and eager to speak over the cop (which was rude)...but he was simply showing he wouldn't be pushed around or strong armed by the police because he knew his rights. The police hate people like him because he understands his rights and how to protect himself.I can understand how many of you sense a hint of "doucheism" within the guy, but honestly he handled it exactly how a citizen should handle it when they're being harassed for no legit reason. and to say he's a law student simply so he can walk around with a gun and do these kind of things....that's completely unfounded. You don't know this guy. Unless of course there's more to the video i'm missing, but those labeling this guy as a "troublemaker" for lack of a better term...sorry i disagree. rude? yeah a little bit, but that's as far as i'll take it. but to say he should be out "getting in the way of ambulances" or whatever was said....talk about a toolbag type of comment. The guy in this video did nothing of the sort. You can take it one of two ways: I don't know him personally, but I am going with B... A) He's just a really smart law student and has studied hard and used his knowledge in just the right time. (Although I thought it was illegal to film the officer if i'm not mistaken and why the hell did he have his camera already up anyway?) He's out to prove something, and normally people out to prove something to the world have a story behind it... Maybe he was arrested before by police or given a ticket for something he didn't do, or he was always picked last in gym class and the kid everyone used to pick on/beat up in high school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I didn't have a problem with his tone. He used yes sir and no sir. Didn't yell. I do have a problem that he was apparently going around flashing his gun AND he knew something like this would happen so he filmed it. I have a problem that he was looking for a confrontation with a cop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I didn't have a problem with his tone. He used yes sir and no sir. Didn't yell. I do have a problem that he was apparntly going around flashing his gun AND he knew something like this would happen so he filmed it. I have a problem that he was looking for a confrontation with a cop. How do you know he was flashing his gun? Walking around open carrying a gun in your holster is not flashing it. It actually would be a crime to brandish a gun as a lot of people are on here accusing him of. I know, crazy for a citizen to expect the police to abide by the law. I am not giving my ID either just because an officer asks if I didnt so anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwack Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I don't see a video? Yeah, I don't see a video either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 By the way, its also not legal for the police officer to take his gun if he hasn't committed a crime. Search and seizure can only be done if there is reasonable suspicion of a crime. And I would be pretty upset if a police officer pointed a loaded gun at me because he didnt know how to handle it correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 How do you know he was flashing his gun? Walking around open carrying a gun in your holster is not flashing it. It actually would be a crime to brandish a gun as a lot of people are on here accusing him of. I know, crazy for a citizen to expect the police to abide by the law. I am not giving my ID either just because an officer asks if I didnt so anything wrong. I'm not familiar with alot of gun laws, but I'm assuming (maybe bad on my part) that when you have a concealed weapon permit, the word "concealed" means hidden. So, I'm not saying the guy was taking it in and out of his holster and waving it around, but if it is visible to people on the street, it's quite conceavable that someone would report it. Also, I never said he was wrong about not showing ID, in fact I never mentioned it and I think the guy was within his rights for what he did and I don't think he was a jerk about it, but I still feel he was "looking" for a confrontation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Come on man... confronting authorities is how public opinion is formed in this country... We are erecting a 9 foot statue of Rosa Parks at the capital this morning for basically doing the same thing this kid did only on a different topic. Actually Rosa was even more out on a limb because the sit in the back of the buss law was a local law which nobody questioned the validity of. This kid is just asking that his lawful rights be recognized. I know you didn't just compare Rosa Parks to this guy. One fighting for rights and one flaunting them in front of those protecting the community he is in. I'm a gun guy myself, but believe me if there is a guy walking around my neighborhood with a gun on his hip, for the sake of my family, I'm going to find out what's up or the Police will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'm not familiar with alot of gun laws, but I'm assuming (maybe bad on my part) that when you have a concealed weapon permit, the word "concealed" means hidden. So, I'm not saying the guy was taking it in and out of his holster and waving it around, but if it is visible to people on the street, it's quite conceavable that someone would report it. Also, I never said he was wrong about not showing ID, in fact I never mentioned it and I think the guy was within his rights for what he did and I don't think he was a jerk about it, but I still feel he was "looking" for a confrontation. Fair enough, I cant speak to the guys mindset on if he was looking for a confrontation. Though I think the cop was in the wrong, not the other way around as most people are saying. Thegun was not concealed. If you are carrying concealed, then you are required by law to provide your ID and proof of license to conceal carry. He was open carrying, so he did not need a permit or to provide ID. So anyone can see that he is carrying a gun, thus the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Actually for most law schools you can't have a job while attending, at least that's the case for the law school my brother in law attends, and the ones he applied to. Wait, what? I've never heard of this. In fact, given what I've been told by my friends who went to law school, it seems like the opposite is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterPinstripe Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I know you didn't just compare Rosa Parks to this guy. One fighting for rights and one flaunting them in front of those protecting the community he is in.I'm a gun guy myself, but believe me if there is a guy walking around my neighborhood with a gun on his hip, for the sake of my family, I'm going to find out what's up or the Police will. And you are within your rights to find out, or call the police. But he is also completely within his rights carrying his gun on his hip. And refusing to provide any information to you or the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I know you didn't just compare Rosa Parks to this guy. One fighting for rights and one flaunting them in front of those protecting the community he is in.I'm a gun guy myself, but believe me if there is a guy walking around my neighborhood with a gun on his hip, for the sake of my family, I'm going to find out what's up or the Police will. Well I'm a gun owner as well who, less than a week ago, saw a guy with a holstered gun on his hip loading his minivan and all I did was think "What the hell is so scary about the store that you feel the need to go armed?"... then traffic started moving again and I drove along and minded my own business. I don't personally feel a need to go around armed with a weapon concealed or otherwise but there's a noticeable number in my community that do. It's their right and many of them feel that right is under threat so they are being a little more assertive of that right. But with all this concealed/ open carry going on, we enjoy a low crime rate: http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/idaho/boise.html#.US5r_zCceB8 As for his perceived "attitude" toward the LEO... he was simply returning the same amount of "bass" most LEOs give to citizens. And he was right, as the officer was prepared to routinely ignore a few rights that all citizens have but rarely seem to realize anymore. ---------- Post added February-27th-2013 at 01:42 PM ---------- I know you didn't just compare Rosa Parks to this guy. One fighting for rights and one flaunting them in front of those protecting the community he is in.I'm a gun guy myself, but believe me if there is a guy walking around my neighborhood with a gun on his hip, for the sake of my family, I'm going to find out what's up or the Police will. double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The student is trying to get famous on Youtube, that's all. He may be a pretentious *******, but at least this is better than another Harlem Shake video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big#44 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 When you get stopped by an officer you must have and display your permit to carry a firearm and government issued photo identification IF the officer asks for it. I dont live in Virginia but this is the first one that popped up when i googled. Pretty sure its the same or similar nationwide. Virginia law does not require you to notify the officer that you have a permit. However, Section 18.2-308, of the Code of Virginia, requires you to be in possession of the permit whenever you are carrying a concealed handgun and to display the permit and a government-issued photo-identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer. Lets review the facts A.) Officer responds to complaints about a suspicious person armed with a firearm B.) Officer confronts the student who then says he does not consent to a search or seizure. C.) Here's where the officer may have messed up - he seizes the students firearm. This could probably stand in court as a means of protecting the officer and citizens in the area. D.)Officer asks for identification. E.) Here's where the student messes up - he refuses to show I.D. which by law he is required to do. So this law student wasn't being a hero or standing up for his rights, he broke the law when he refused to show identification and frankly he should have been cited. He could have simply said "Here's my drivers license and permit officer", and he would have been on his way in about half the time it took to watch that whole video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedRedskinsFan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Wait, what? I've never heard of this. In fact, given what I've been told by my friends who went to law school, it seems like the opposite is true. When i applied last year all schools said you could not have a pt job. Just my experience though. ---------- Post added February-27th-2013 at 05:37 PM ---------- D.)Officer asks for identification. E.) Here's where the student messes up - he refuses to show I.D. which by law he is required to do. So this law student wasn't being a hero or standing up for his rights, he broke the law when he refused to show identification and frankly he should have been cited. He could have simply said "Here's my drivers license and permit officer", and he would have been on his way in about half the time it took to watch that whole video. I thought that was only true if you concealed carry wasn't he opened carrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The law student is a gigantic dick. Whoever supports this type of behavior is also a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big#44 Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought that was only true if you concealed carry wasn't he opened carrying That could be. I was pretty sure that it applied for any gun carry license. Even still, he could have just showed his credentials and been on his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazel-Ra Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 When you get stopped by an officer you must have and display your permit to carry a firearm and government issued photo identification IF the officer asks for it. I dont live in Virginia but this is the first one that popped up when i googled. Pretty sure its the same or similar nationwide. Lets review the facts A.) Officer responds to complaints about a suspicious person armed with a firearm B.) Officer confronts the student who then says he does not consent to a search or seizure. C.) Here's where the officer may have messed up - he seizes the students firearm. This could probably stand in court as a means of protecting the officer and citizens in the area. D.)Officer asks for identification. E.) Here's where the student messes up - he refuses to show I.D. which by law he is required to do. So this law student wasn't being a hero or standing up for his rights, he broke the law when he refused to show identification and frankly he should have been cited. He could have simply said "Here's my drivers license and permit officer", and he would have been on his way in about half the time it took to watch that whole video. It appears what you're posting applies to a concealed carry, which he wasn't doing. The firearm was visible at all times. Also MANY gun laws vary from state to state and assuming any of them are universal can get you in bad situation (State of New York vs Burris). I saw "Portland" in the video so it may be Oregon statute that applies here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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