Ghost of Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I have to say that one (Undiscovered Country) is one of my favorite of all the ST movies. It was a great one. It goes back to the even-numbered entries. Although I have a soft spot for STIII for a number of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 If we beat Philly and Dallas loses next week, Dallas could still win out over us if they beat us in the last game. Dallas is still ahead of us in common opponents... Cincy and Pitt. If we lose against Philly, and Dallas wins over NO, we would still beat Dallas out with a win (head to head obviously). edit: No matter how you look at it, I'm sure the NFL is getting ready to bump that game to SNF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|2edskins PHD Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Exactly, which is where, unfortunately, Dallas finds their advantage.So yes, as Nibbs alluded to with the silvertongued quote above, perhaps this was how it was meant to be. RG3, in his first year, against a hated rival, for the division, at home. Talk about stakes, baby. Wouldn't this scenario cause each team to have an identical 7-5 "Common Opponent" record? Thus pushing the tie-breaker to Conference record? Which, under this scenario would put the Cowboys at 5-6 in the conference heading into Wk 17....with the Redskins at 7-4 in the conference. Doesn't that clinch for the Redskins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMeast Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 This is a moot point based solely on the fact that our Washington Redskins are winning out thus capturing the division title. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 watch it come down to points scored and D-hall's decision to drop to the ground instead of scoring that final TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin01fan Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Exactly, which is where, unfortunately, Dallas finds their advantage.So yes, as Nibbs alluded to with the silvertongued quote above, perhaps this was how it was meant to be. RG3, in his first year, against a hated rival, for the division, at home. Talk about stakes, baby. Gotta love it!! Now tickets need to be kept away from Cowpuke fans as much as possible and Fed Ex needs to be as loud as it has been on Monday night and against the Ravens!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinklein Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 Wouldn't this scenario cause each team to have an identical 7-5 "Common Opponent" record?Thus pushing the tie-breaker to Conference record? Which, under this scenario would put the Cowboys at 5-6 in the conference heading into Wk 17....with the Redskins at 7-4 in the conference. Doesn't that clinch for the Redskins? Dallas's common opponent record would be 8-4, ours would be 7-5. Dallas losses would include NO, ATL, NYG, BAL. Washington losses would include CIN, ATL, NYG, PIT, CAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGloryDays Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It doesn't really matter. The most likely scenario going into week 17 is a Skins win in Philly, a Dallas win against NO, and a Giants win against the Ravens. Philly and NO just flat out stink this year, and the Ravens looked awful after firing their OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecardiacrll Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 We don't need Dallas to lose to for a playoff birth? Yes but only to us..The saints cowboys game especially if we beat the Eagles means nothing to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGloryDays Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Another way to look at it is, if we lay an egg against Philly and somehow the Ravens can beat the Giants, we still play for the playoffs/division against Dallas in week 17. So the schedule is actually advantageous in some regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It doesn't really matter. The most likely scenario going into week 17 is a Skins win in Philly, a Dallas win against NO, and a Giants win against the Ravens. Philly and NO just flat out stink this year, and the Ravens looked awful after firing their OC. The Ravens were awful before they fired their OC IMO, they might be the most overrated team in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky52Mc Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I realized last night, with the help of a friend, that even if the Skins win and Dallas loses in week 16, the week 17 matchup between the old rivals will still be for the division title. For the sake of demonstrating, let's say the Giants also lose in week 16, effectively knocking them from the race.Under this scenario, the Skins would be 9-6 and Dallas would be 8-7. Their division records, aka the first tie breaker, would be 4-1 and 3-2 respectively. If Dallas won that week 17 game, their overall records and their division records would be the same. The next tiebreaker is common games played. Because two of Dallas's losses came against teams we did not play (Chicago, Seattle), and only one of our losses came against a team Dallas did not play (St. Louis), they would win that tiebreaker and thus, the division. Someone correct me if I'm misunderstanding somewhere...but seems to me the week 17 game looms larger than ever. ****in' Roethlisberger. Ok see I took that rule as the actual record played between the common teams. As in the scenario you speak about the Redskins would be 8-5 while the Cowboys would be 8-5. NVM has those numbers backwards. We need to win out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinklein Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 Ok see I took that rule as the actual record played between the common teams. As in the scenario you speak about the Redskins would be 8-5 while the Cowboys would be 8-5. NVM has those numbers backwards. We need to win out! I think the mistake you are making is you are including the Skins/Dallas game in "common opponents". That game doesn't count, because Dallas is not a common opponent to Dallas, just as Washington is not a common opponent to Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleese Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 If the Giants lose Sunday then our game vs Philly and Dallas' game vs NO mean nothing in terms of the division. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGSKINS Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Pleas do not over look philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien1191 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 True and being discussed in about 3 other threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD Riggo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I have to say that one (Undiscovered Country) is one of my favorite of all the ST movies. Nah. "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" is the best. From it, we have these quotes: Khan: "Ah, [John Mara], do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold?" AND Khan: [quoting from Melville's Moby Dick] "To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee, [John Mara]!" AND Khan: "Surely, I have made my meaning plain. I mean to avenge myself upon you, Admiral. I deprived your ship of power, and when I swing around, I mean to deprive you of your [defending chumpion playoff spot]!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I think the mistake you are making is you are including the Skins/Dallas game in "common opponents". That game doesn't count, because Dallas is not a common opponent to Dallas, just as Washington is not a common opponent to Washington. If it comes down to it, Dallas has the tie breaker for "common opponents" locked up. We don;t want it to come to that. Win out and it does not matter. Be a Saints fan this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Nah. "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" is the best. From it, we have this quote:Khan: "Ah, [John Mara], do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold?" yeah yeah everyone loves khan. the guy only said "one of" though, give him a break. and (controversial opinion!) Undiscovered Country has better quotes: "there is an old vulcan proverb: only nixon could go to china" and "you have not experienced shakespeare until you have read him in the originial Klingon" off topic. apologies to the mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdskn4eva Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I want the Division Title. Screw all that other noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamRollingRiggo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 We will not lose again in the regular season. I want it to be the Redskins that ruin the Cowboys playoff hopes. It should be our team that does that. That would be beyond gratifying. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can think of no better way to clinch the division than by beating Dallas in DC. What a Christmas present that would be.....plus a home playoff game to boot! Trust in RG lll and our Christmas wishes will come true. Sitting out a game is going to have him even more juiced to play the final two games. Dallas should be scared...... It would really help if Baltimore could knock off the Giants next week but I'm not holding my breath on that one. Let's get the Giants out of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 What if we win next week against the Eagles and Dallas loses to the Saints? Then we lose against Dallas? Do we still win the division? Providing the Giants go 1-1 to finish the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseBowlrz Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 What if we win next week against the Eagles and Dallas loses to the Saints? Then we lose against Dallas? Do we still win the division? Providing the Giants go 1-1 to finish the regular season. Negative. Dallas would get the division on the common opponents tiebreaker. We'd edge the Giants for a potential wild card spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Isn't it Conference Record? Common opponents. That being said, this could have gone in the multitude of threads that are already discussing this topic. Please merge mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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