MDTERPS27 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 why would they eject santana moss because of our coach illegally throwing a challenge flag? moss wouldnt have told him to do it. John Mara would make up a new rule that says spinning the ball in celebration after an incomplete pass is an egregious foul that warrants ejection. He would then radio it down to Hochuli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skns4life Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Does anyone remember week 2 vs the Rams? (Yes I know we still had replacement refs but hear me out).... Steven Jackson fumbled at the one. We were awarded the ball. Fisher threw the flag (on a play that was going to be reviewed anyway)... Not only did he not get penalized for throwing the challenge flag, they reviewed the play anyway and gave it back to the Rams, and they in turn scored a TD on the next play. Yes, it wasn't a fumble I know... but if the Texans got a win in that manner, we should have also... I don't care how we get there, I just want to be in the playoffs! 3 playoff births in the last 20 years makes one desperate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 John Mara would make up a new rule that says spinning the ball in celebration after an incomplete pass is an egregious foul that warrants ejection. He would then radio it down to Hochuli. ah yes that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I don't think that the rule actually works the way the OP says. I think the penalty cannot prevent the other team from benefiting from the review, not sure but I think that is how it works. The really interesting thing is why Mara pushed for this rule in the first place . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Let's say you could challenge (opposing team who got burned by the TD) it without a delay of game penalty. Why? It's a freebie without the consequences of losing a TO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 To the OP: Why would Shanny throw the red flag if the refs have already called a TD. Is Shanny going to tell the refs no it was not a TD. or did I misread that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 That's incorrect. If the "opposing" coach - the coach for whom the "non-review" would benefit, throws the flag, the play still is reviewable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If the play has been called incorrectly, I think it is inherent upon the league to use the replay to GET IT RIGHT. This is the entire reason why all scoring plays and turnovers are now required to be reviewed, so they can GET IT RIGHT. This should be the driving force behind the booth replay, to GET IT RIGHT, REGARDLESS. How the largest and most successful sports league in the frigging country has so much trouble getting this is really REALLY beyond me. It's disgraceful. ~BAng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 To the OP: Why would Shanny throw the red flag if the refs have already called a TD. Is Shanny going to tell the refs no it was not a TD. or did I misread that? because under that scenario (moss not really scoring) it would be overturned (thus, no TD) if it were reviewed. so, by throwing a challenge flag, theoretically, he would be preserving the non TD. of course, now we know that the situation cant happen, as the play is still reviewed regardless. it just couldnt benefit the red flag throwing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 because under that scenario (moss not really scoring) it would be overturned (thus, no TD) if it were reviewed. so, by throwing a challenge flag, theoretically, he would be preserving the non TD. of course, now we know that the situation cant happen, as the play is still reviewed regardless. it just couldnt benefit the red flag throwing team. I understand the rule that is not what i was saying. I guess you missed my point: What is Shanny going to say to the ref why he threw the flag? To contest the TD? or Ooopppsss...Sorry about that ref it just fell out of my pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecardiacrll Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 I understand the rule that is not what i was saying. I guess you missed my point: What is Shanny going to say to the ref why he threw the flag? To contest the TD? or Ooopppsss...Sorry about that ref it just fell out of my pocket. The original theory was it doesnt matter what shanny asked to challenge because the rule said if a challenge flag is thrown there is a 15 yard penalty and the play cannot be challenged. But we figured out that it only affects the team that threw the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 The whole penalty is stupid. It's a reflex in the heat of passion that doesn't involve injuring a player. So the coach throws the challenge flag. What's wrong with the Ref saying: "Uhh, coach, it's not challengeable"? Because coaches have been using it to delay the game, and giving the officiating crew, an earful. Without penalty. The games take long enough as it is. I for one am glad the league finally decided to penalize coaches that attempt to challenge a play that cannot be challenged. They play dumb and exploited the lack of penalty, or simply don't know the rules and are dumb. While I feel it shouldn't cost a TD, it also clearly should not veto an automatic review. Which by definition, is automatic. Ok, supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 The original theory was it doesnt matter what shanny asked to challenge because the rule said if a challenge flag is thrown there is a 15 yard penalty and the play cannot be challenged. But we figured out that it only affects the team that threw the flag. Ah, that is what I wanted to know. It only effects the opposing team and not the scoring team. The way it is posted in the OP didn't make any sense to me. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acuratl1984 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 People have been talking about this 'approach' all week. This will work for maybe one more week because the league will realize how dumb the rule is in the first place and change that part of the rule. I would be ECSTATIC! if Shanny does this to the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecardiacrll Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 Ah, that is what I wanted to know. It only effects the opposing team and not the scoring team. The way it is posted in the OP didn't make any sense to me. Thanks! Yeah it only affects and takes away the challenge of the team that throws the flag so if shanny threw the flag the skins wouldnt be allowed to challenge but the opposing team would still be able to have the play challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Because coaches have been using it to delay the game, and giving the officiating crew, an earful. Without penalty. The games take long enough as it is. I for one am glad the league finally decided to penalize coaches that attempt to challenge a play that cannot be challenged. They play dumb and exploited the lack of penalty, or simply don't know the rules and are dumb. While I feel it shouldn't cost a TD, it also clearly should not veto an automatic review. Which by definition, is automatic. Ok, supposed to be. Wouldn't it be quicker for a ref to say "Pick up the flag loser, you can't challenge it", than to go through the mess that happened on Thanksgiving? ---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 10:15 PM ---------- And I still don't get what's supposed to happen if the coach throws the flag before a TD is scored. How does that make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Now heres the loophole and I'll use the skins as an example. Santana Moss catches a TD but clearly doesnt get both feet in but the Refs call it a TD. If Shanny throws the red flag he gets a 15 yd penalty but the play wont be reviewable meaning the Moss TD will count. We will be penalized on the kickoff 15 yds. but who cares the TD still counts. lol, I can see it now. The Redskins use that loophole and then get another cap hit for going against the "spirit" of the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryMason Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I would be ECSTATIC! if Shanny does this to the Giants. wake up to the rest of thread, it won't work the OP was wrong, the rule doesn't allow the challenging team to benefit from review but can still review if it would benefit the other team... ---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 11:44 PM ---------- lol, I can see it now. The Redskins use that loophole and then get another cap hit for going against the "spirit" of the rule. there is no loophole... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 there is no loophole... Let me rephrase then, if this were possible, the Redskins would just get docked more cap room for breaking the "spirit" of the rule. How's that? A man (or for TW brethren a hamster) can't make a joke now a days. :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If the play has been called incorrectly, I think it is inherent upon the league to use the replay to GET IT RIGHT.This is the entire reason why all scoring plays and turnovers are now required to be reviewed, so they can GET IT RIGHT. This should be the driving force behind the booth replay, to GET IT RIGHT, REGARDLESS. How the largest and most successful sports league in the frigging country has so much trouble getting this is really REALLY beyond me. It's disgraceful. ~BAng Seems like a no-brainer, doesn't it? Yet it bears repeating. Just get the calls right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawBBQSauce Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If Shanny throws the red flag he gets a 15 yd penalty but the play wont be reviewable meaning the Moss TD will count. We will be penalized on the kickoff 15 yds. but who cares the TD still counts....THOUGHTS Does the coach simply throwing the flag constitute the penalty? Or does he have to declare what he is challenging? If so, there would be nothing for him challenge in that situation, right? I just feel terrible for Detroit, man. They got hosed. But then again, we've been getting hosed all year...matter of fact...EVERYONE'S GETTIN' HOSED! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moondog Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You realize that if Shanahan did this, John Mara would make damn sure that Shanahan lost his paycheck indefinitely, the league would rule RG3 ineligible to play and we would lose all draft picks for the next 3 years. Also, they'd probably take away another $5 million from our cap next year so that the only player we could afford to sign would be the Comb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Santana Moss catches a TD but clearly doesnt get both feet in but the Refs call it a TD. If Shanny throws the red flag he gets a 15 yd penalty but the play wont be reviewable meaning the Moss TD will count. We will be penalized on the kickoff 15 yds. but who cares the TD still counts....THOUGHTS. I'm confused. Why would Shanahan throw a challenge flag for a TD we score? :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecardiacrll Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share Posted November 30, 2012 wake up to the rest of thread, it won't work the OP was wrong, the rule doesn't allow the challenging team to benefit from review but can still review if it would benefit the other team...---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 11:44 PM ---------- there is no loophole... Perrymason im going to EDIT and update the 1st post I didn't realize how many people would just read the 1st post and comment about it sorry everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Because coaches have been using it to delay the game, and giving the officiating crew, an earful. Without penalty. The games take long enough as it is. How long does it take the Ref to roll his eyes at the coach and tell him to pick it up? Seriously. Want to speed the game up -- don't allow icing the kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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