Voice_of_Reason Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Up until this year, Morris had never worked in the 3-4. They need to find some coach, DC, LB, or Secondary that has deep 3-4 experience. Currently, none of the defensive coaches have that. Haz has the most, but the last time he coached a 3-4 was when he was with the Steelers, which ended in 1997-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In 93 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If Marvin Lewis gets fired... think he'd come back as DC? The organization is much improved from the joke that it was when Cerrato ran things and Marvin Lewis had to coach with Spurrier... 0% Marvin Lewis gets fired, the bengals are easily making the playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Dan Graziano on twitter (NFC East Beat writer): Dan Graziano @espn_nfceast Far as I know, that's the plan. RT @WaveJam: @espn_nfceast Dan… Does Haslett stay in DC in 2013? Take it for what its worth. But :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 FWIW, Gruden said on Mike&Mike this morning the rumors were flat out not true. One a side note, he's gushing about RGiii and the opportunity to watch film and talk to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornToHail Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I never understood how Morris got so popular on here. Regardless of talent, his unit isn't really performing well at all outside of D-Hall's INTS.I wouldn't care either way if he left or stayed I think the feeling here is that "anyone but Haslett" and Raheem fits that nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-bomb Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 But what about the rumors that morris schemed our best defensive efforts this yr NO an philly?? Word was Has was supposed show he could call his own schemes....There is a reason all the players rave about morris, if he did scheme those games then I'm ok with him coaching our D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 0% Marvin Lewis gets fired, the bengals are easily making the playoffs this year. I guess the Bengals standards are pretty low (undertandably). It's not like the Chargers when they fired Marty after a 14-2 season (or because he didn't get along with the GM) and they resort to hiring Norv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 But what about the rumors that morris schemed our best defensive efforts this yr NO an philly?? Word was Has was supposed show he could call his own schemes....There is a reason all the players rave about morris, if he did scheme those games then I'm ok with him coaching our D. I heard the reason was Haslett met with each DB individually and talked about what they expected and what was expected of them, schemes, way-forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 This guy isn't any good. His players quit on him in Tampa Disagree, varying degrees of the reason that he failed in Tampa. http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article1208797.ece TAMPA — A 10-game losing streak, the worst defense in team history and an offense that watched the ball drop more times than Dick Clark on New Year's Eve ultimately cost Bucs coach Raheem Morris and his entire staff their jobs Monday. But it was the unexpected success with the youngest team in the NFL last season, and the expectations that resulted, that may have been Morris' undoing. Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer and general manager Mark Dominik each admitted in a joint news conference Monday they should have added a few more veterans through free agency after the team went 10-6 in 2010. "If you look back, you can say, 'Gee, maybe we should've added some more veterans,' " Glazer said. "… But then you can also look back and say well, we were 10-6, a young team that was going in the right direction. Do you want to go too far in that direction? "In these situations it is not just one person. Everyone has to take some responsibility for the results of the season, whether it is the owners, general manager, players — the entire organization. You cannot hide from your part in the situation." ---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 09:16 AM ---------- Dan Graziano on twitter (NFC East Beat writer):Dan Graziano @espn_nfceast Far as I know, that's the plan. RT @WaveJam: @espn_nfceast Dan… Does Haslett stay in DC in 2013? Take it for what its worth. But :doh: Yeah and he probably has the out he needs with the lack of talent in the secondary being his savior. Shanahan I think hates change and really wants Haz to succeed. I think I would like to see a change just for accountability purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Dan Graziano on twitter (NFC East Beat writer):Dan Graziano @espn_nfceast Far as I know, that's the plan. RT @WaveJam: @espn_nfceast Dan… Does Haslett stay in DC in 2013? Take it for what its worth. But :doh: ..... Yeah and he probably has the out he needs with the lack of talent in the secondary being his savior. Shanahan I think hates change and really wants Haz to succeed. I think I would like to see a change just for accountability purposes. If that is indeed the plan, and the realistic expectation is for the team to be at least contending for post-season play in your 4 (and by contending I don't mean sneaking in with an around .500 record due to the poor state of the rest of the division); then Shanahan is a bigger fool than I give him credit for and would be walking an incredibly thin tightrope. As exceptional as Robert is, it's totally unrealistic to think he can keep pace when a Haslett lead D patently can not. That to me would just be a complete waste of the first two years of 10's career. Which is very hard to accept that a man would keep his job after that. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Good points GHH ^ and I agree. I think Haz holds us back, but then so does Danny Smith, and they both fall on Shanahan's feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahons21 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 If that is indeed the plan, and the realistic expectation is for the team to be at least contending for post-season play in your 4 (and by contending I don't mean sneaking in with an around .500 record due to the poor state of the rest of the division); then Shanahan is a bigger fool than I give him credit for and would be walking an incredibly thin tightrope. As exceptional as Robert is, it's totally unrealistic to think he can keep pace when a Haslett lead D patently can not. That to me would just be a complete waste of the first two years of 10's career. Which is very hard to accept that a man would keep his job after that. Hail. Are you honestly suggesting that Haslett could hold this team back from being in contention? Haslett isn't going to make chicken salad our of chicken ****, but he's not going to be the reason a team doesn't make the playoffs either. I will never understand how the hatred for Haslett got so out of control on this website. What other defensive coordinators have held back playoff teams? And of how much talent did they have? To incorporate some OF points, what percentage value do you think the DC has on the outcome of the game? 10, 15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-bomb Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Mahons21 the hate for Haz got out of control because for several weeks fans watched our DC get out schemed an fail to make adjustments in games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 This D period, along with a serious lack of O-line talent will hold what Robert does back until both are fixed Mahons. Fixing the D has been set back even further thanks to the underhand, colluding, gutless **** who co-owns Mondays opponents it's true. But what follows is more of a hindrance than an advantage ..... The career average, uninventive, predictable Jim Haslett. The face of that D. So yes, in large part, he'll continue to hold what Robert does, and ergo this team, back. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I hear that Gruden asked for total control at Tennessee and didn't get it. They've moved on. I hear they are taking a strong look at Petrino. I don't believe that Raheem is going anywhere. Bruce and Danny like him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get promoted to DC, but I wouldn't be surprised if we brought in Rivera either. Edit to add: Yes, I mean Ron Rivera. And it's actually Auburn that is taking a look at Petrino. I think Al Golden will leave Da U for the HC gig at Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Mahons21 the hate for Haz got out of control because for several weeks fans watched our DC get out schemed an fail to make adjustments in games.... and then they checked his record... and it's been happening to him throughout his coaching life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 and then they checked his record... and it's been happening to him throughout his coaching life. Don't ruin a good myth DC man. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I hear that Gruden asked for total control at Tennessee and didn't get it. They've moved on. I hear they are taking a strong look at Petrino.I don't believe that Raheem is going anywhere. Bruce and Danny like him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get promoted to DC, but I wouldn't be surprised if we brought in Rivera either. Rivera was a mis-cast as the DC in Philly, he was moved from the Offensive side if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Rivera was a mis-cast as the DC in Philly, he was moved from the Offensive side if I remember correctly. I think he meant Ron Rivera. Current head coach of the Panthers, former bad ass DC for the Chargers and member of the '85 Bears defense. ---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 08:47 PM ---------- Don't ruin a good myth DC man. Hail. Just call me fact check... I'm really in a good mood, too, not sure why I seem so snappy tonight. I had a good, long run after work. Just taken back by some of the stuff I've seen today I guess, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I think he meant Ron Rivera. Current head coach of the Panthers, former bad ass DC for the Chargers and member of the '85 Bears defense.. Whoops, thanks DC, big diff there, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 I think he mean Ron Rivera. Current head coach of the Panthers, former bad ass DC for the Chargers and member of the '85 Bears defense. Total aside, but that still remains my dream to see the top level personnel for a 'Skins 46 D like the '85 Bears. I continue to live in hope. But I digress, back to Morris ..... Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Whoops, thanks DC, big diff there, lol. I would totally take Rivera over Romeo, too. That seems like more of a latteral move for our defense. I mean, sure Crennel is a 3-4 guy, but just think of what Rivera would do with Orakpo, Kerrigan, and our Mikes. Scary. Especially since he'll likely have a lead to protect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Total aside, but that still remains my dream to see the top level personnel for a 'Skins 46 D like the '85 Bears.I continue to live in hope. But I digress, back to Morris ..... Hail. Redskins 91 defense would be great enough to be a playoff difference for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Total aside, but that still remains my dream to see the top level personnel for a 'Skins 46 D like the '85 Bears.I continue to live in hope. But I digress, back to Morris ..... Hail. We all do, haha. I was listening to radio on the drive home today and heard that Auburn visited Chris Pederson (Boise State) and sent Bo Jackson to visit (Louisville) and Raheem is on the list for their defensive coordinator just because he was mentioned at Tennessee. Could all be subterfouge in the great SEC arms race, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Redskins 91 defense would be great enough to be a playoff difference for this team. With 10 that would have me laying everything I had on a Lombardi. Instead we are what we are. Sighs. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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