The "War on Women"

[Teller]

Of course not. All we do is sit around, drink beer and watch tv. Duh.

Then pay me for my trips to the fridge!!!

(Ball on the tee for you, sir.)

[Kosher Ham]

Then pay me for my trips to the fridge!!!

(Ball on the tee for you, sir.)

OLS, haha.

My lady drives me bonkers as is, I can not imagine if she didn't do anything but take care of me and the kids (if we had them).

Thankfully she has her retired Mother and Grandmother to do things with and I don't mind that (both moved here over the last few years). But if we were here just the two of us...better be some charity work or something involved.

I would tell her in a minute, I can iron my own shirt or wash my own clothes, or cook my own meal.

[Burgold]

Actually it is you missing the point B. No religious group or business has made a stink about insurance companies providing for contraceptives either. What they they have made a stink about is the plan to force them to provide contraceptives instead of it being just an option as Viagra and many other items are.

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Don't know if you mean to be disingenuous, but it feels that way to me. Insurers prior to Obamacare covered prescriptions which included female contraceptives esp. since they can be used for things like cervical cancer treatments. Likewise, they covered viagra which is purely a sexual activity drug. Now, for decades these religious institutions made no bones about the insurance they bought for their employees including this kind of coverage. It was part of the parcel. Let's not even consider that it's pretty dubious for an employer to pick and choose what kind of health care their employers can and can't receive. They didn't do that.

Then, as a pure cynical politics play they decided that after Obamacare passed they felt picked upon by this one form of care included within the umbrella of healthcare that an insurer might offer. Now, did they question whether viagra prescriptions should be available for their single male employees? Wouldn't that be sinful? Shouldn't a religious organization blanche at that? I mean they knew the insurance they bought covered this just as before Obamacare they also covered these contraceptives by and large.

Why are they only concerned with female reproductive activity? Are women the only ones capable of sin? Sure, they invented sin, but it does take two to tango.

Anyway, I find the whole affair distateful. It was a cynical manipulation based on politics and not conviction. More, it was certainly an attack on women as have been all of these other decisions this past year. Don't take my word for it take the word of those who are impacted by the decision and how they've responded to it.

[Duckus]

Many women I know feel that the state-by sate defunding of Planned Parenthood is a direct attack on affordable life saving women's healthcare.

[nonniey]

Don't know if you mean to be disingenuous, but it feels that way to me. Insurers prior to Obamacare covered prescriptions which included female contraceptives esp. since they can be used for things like cervical cancer treatments. Likewise, they covered viagra which is purely a sexual activity drug. Now, for decades these religious institutions made no bones about the insurance they bought for their employees including this kind of coverage. It was part of the parcel. Let's not even consider that it's pretty dubious for an employer to pick and choose what kind of health care their employers can and can't receive. They didn't do that.

Then, as a pure cynical politics play they decided that after Obamacare passed they felt picked upon by this one form of care included within the umbrella of healthcare that an insurer might offer. Now, did they question whether viagra prescriptions should be available for their single male employees? Wouldn't that be sinful? Shouldn't a religious organization blanche at that? I mean they knew the insurance they bought covered this just as before Obamacare they also covered these contraceptives by and large.

Why are they only concerned with female reproductive activity? Are women the only ones capable of sin? Sure, they invented sin, but it does take two to tango.

Anyway, I find the whole affair distateful. It was a cynical manipulation based on politics and not conviction. More, it was certainly an attack on women as have been all of these other decisions this past year. Don't take my word for it take the word of those who are impacted by the decision and how they've responded to it.

Again you miss the difference between the State forcing an action and Religious organizations and businesses having a choice of a plan to pay for. And no it is not dubious for an employer to pick and choose what they are willing to pay for. I'd wager than none of the businesses or religious organizations that had been previously paying for plans that covered contraceptives would change in the future. However forcing those that didn't and even forcing those that did, even if they were going to choose a plan that had them anyway, is what is distastefull.

[alexey]

Again you miss the difference between the State forcing an action and Religious organizations and businesses having a choice of a plan to pay for. And no it is not dubious for an employer to pick and choose what they are willing to pay for. I'd wager than none of the businesses or religious organizations that had been previously paying for plans that covered contraceptives would change in the future. However forcing those that didn't and even forcing those that did, even if they were going to choose a plan that had them anyway, is what is distastefull.

Yeah you might even call that a War on Religion.

[Special K]

As a woman...I don't feel victimized by our government, or proposed governmental laws.

Sorry LadySkinsFan

[Burgold]

Happy Mother's Day. Perhaps, a cessation in the War against Women in honor of today. Though women in GOP households may want to check their breakfast in bed pancakes for rat poison. Conservatives are sneaky ****s when it comes to warfare.

[Thiebear]

Duckus: Planned Parnenthood got itself in trouble with employees attempting to gloss over child prostitution along with other things. Yes they provide a service, but they were defunded due to dubious activities.

Thats a war on the company that is doing bad things along with the good things (like most companies that get caught).

http://www.operationrescue.org/noblog/timeline-in-legal-cases-concerning-planned-parenthood-in-overland-park-kansas/

Klein is reviewing records for years.

Morrison takes over office and tries to stop the investigation.

Klein movs to Morrison old office and continues

December 9, 2007 – News breaks that Attorney General Paul Morrison had been caught in a sex and abortion corruption scandal. He had used his influence over his mistress, an employee of the Johnson County District Attorney’s office, to attempt to subvert investigations against Planned Parenthood and George Tiller.

Thats crazy all by itself. The ending is even crazier as the records were destroyed and the tapes came out showing some issues.

then you have current news: Women Job Loss Washington Post Pinnochio Test:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/women-job-losses-a-deeper-look-at-the-data/2012/04/16/gIQA8uUMMT_blog.html

[Larry]

Duckus: Planned Parnenthood got itself in trouble with employees attempting to gloss over child prostitution along with other things. Yes they provide a service, but they were defunded due to dubious activities.

Thats a war on the company that is doing bad things along with the good things (like most companies that get caught).

http://www.operationrescue.org/noblog/timeline-in-legal-cases-concerning-planned-parenthood-in-overland-park-kansas/

Klein is reviewing records for years.

Morrison takes over office and tries to stop the investigation.

Klein movs to Morrison old office and continues

December 9, 2007 – News breaks that Attorney General Paul Morrison had been caught in a sex and abortion corruption scandal. He had used his influence over his mistress, an employee of the Johnson County District Attorney’s office, to attempt to subvert investigations against Planned Parenthood and George Tiller.

Thats crazy all by itself. The ending is even crazier as the records were destroyed and the tapes came out showing some issues.

then you have current news: Women Job Loss Washington Post Pinnochio Test:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/women-job-losses-a-deeper-look-at-the-data/2012/04/16/gIQA8uUMMT_blog.html

Uh, I've read through like 3/4 of that story you linked to.

It's obviously a really, really, slanted, piece with an agenda. But then, just because they're seriously slanted doesn't mean they don't have facts.

I'm seeing some serious-looking allegations.

Although, even then, I'll observe: The

only

actual allegation I've seen in that whole article, is the allegation that PP may have created some fake documentation, to cover up for some documentation that they should have had on file. They're accused of fabricating evidence to conceal a misdemeanor.

But then, we've all heard the expression "It's not the crime, it's the coverup".

But then, I'm also seeing things that, frankly, remind me of reading about lawsuits filed by Orly Taitz.

I mean, I've gotten to the point where our noble crusader is filing a suit, demanding that the grand jury that he convened, be handed documents which the grand jury itself has decided they don't need, and simultaneously announcing that the grand jury is so hopelessly tainted that any ruling it issues must be ignored.

(The grand jury then reaches an agreement with PP concerning what level of redaction would be acceptable to them. They receive the documents, and decide not to issue any indictments whatsoever. Crusader announces that the grand jury was obviously tainted and corrupt. I mean, this is where I start thinking of analogies to Orly Taitz. Anybody who doesn't do what I want is obviously in on the vast conspiracy against me.)

This is after the really interesting political theater. Our noble crusader wins election, immediately begins demanding everything he can get his hands on regarding abortions, spends four years getting everything he can, does not produce any charges whatsoever, and gets voted out of office in favor of a candidate who ran against him on the platform that if elected, he would stop the investigations. Our now-defeated crusader gets himself appointed (not elected) to the county DA's office, and then, one day before he gets kicked downstairs, uses his authority to ship sealed documents to his new office.

Obviously, there's not enough information there to conclude that this is entirely a baseless witch hunt, and I'm not trying to say, or even imply, that it is.

But I'm seeing a whole lot of admittedly really subtle things that make me wonder.

[skinsmarydu]

Given most of the woman I've loved and lost in my life, both American and English, there's ZERO way I'm going to war with the female race.

Unless I maybe have Bin Laden like connections to disappear from the face of the Earth until they calm down.

*Observation of this kind of War: From personal experience with a particularly feisty female, skillets hurt. Like a lot. :mad:

Hail.

You're a wise man.

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Happy Mother's Day. Perhaps, a cessation in the War against Women in honor of today. Though women in GOP households may want to check their breakfast in bed pancakes for rat poison. Conservatives are sneaky ****s when it comes to warfare.

that's funny, and I love your candor.

[AsburySkinsFan]

My cartoons trumped by a comedy show.

Sarcasm has always been one of the strongest forms of political commentary, you would rather equate Jon Stewart to the funny pages because he isn't a GOP, if he were well then Katie-bar-the-door.

[twa]

I like and watch Jon, just remember fact is not his shtick

the cartoons employed sarcasm as well and help with the reading challenged

foolishness such as requiring govt funding to PP when other viable options (that provide more services) exist as a test of the war on women is dishonest....as is the spousal abuse shtick

[skinsmarydu]

I do have a problem with the word "war".

And by the way, a lot of women (like me) get sick and crazy when birth control pills enter their bodies. So, we're actually fighting for the rights of others when we want Planned Parenthood to stay funded.

We're primarily an MSNBC household, but ALWAYS watch Fox News Sunday for the other side. Funny to me is that their "poster girl", Liz Cheney, wasn't on the panel this a.m. I'm guessing she would've had to answer too many questions about having a lesbian sister. Just my(and hubby's)observation.

And my husband actually demands that I edit, as to let you know that her father, the Dick, was in favor of same-sex unions. yeah, the one we just paid to get a second heart...actually, you need one to start with...luv Bill Maher.

[amm0409]

Get Ready

[Teller]

And my husband actually demands that I edit, as to let you know that her father, the Dick, was in favor of same-sex unions. yeah, the one we just paid to get a second heart...actually, you need one to start with...luv Bill Maher.

I'm so confused. So now government-run healthcare and covering pre-existing conditions is bad?

[AsburySkinsFan]

I like and watch Jon, just remember fact is not his shtick

the cartoons employed sarcasm as well and help with the reading challenged

Jon best tack is when he lays bare hypocrisy, and he shames both sides for their blatant stupidity, that's 100% different than political cartoon artists who are just Sean Hannitys who draw.

foolishness such as requiring govt funding to PP when other viable options (that provide more services) exist as a test of the war on women is dishonest...

as soon as you're done whipping up on that strawman I'm sure the horses can use the bedding. No one but you is saying that the SOLE proof of the war on women is the defunding of PP. The part of your statement that smacks of dishonesty is where you pretend that the Tea Partiers who screamed for the defunding of PP wanted to fund another organization in its place. As I recall Ron and Rand and the rest of the small gov't (read as anti-social spending) GOPers take the stance that such spending is unconstitutional and should be cut, and they cite moral reasons for cutting PP. To which the Left laughs at JUST as much as you'd laugh at me for stating that the Department of Defense spending should be eliminated on the basis of my moral objections.

Furthermore, I will once again point to the silence of the GOP as equal pay laws have been struck down. But, you nor the rest of the GOP want to speak up against it.

[Teller]

Furthermore, I will once again point to the silence of the GOP as equal pay laws have been struck down. But, you nor the rest of the GOP want to speak up against it.

The way I understand the repeal of the Wisconsin law is that it made it harder to sue in state court for the redress of wage grievances. Of course you can still sue in federal court, and I don't know of any push to repeal that.

I would assert that the dishonesty regarding wages comes from the left. My kids probably know that "women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns." And I suspect there's a very good reason that THAT is the rallying cry as opposed to, "female teachers earn one dollar for every dollar a male teacher in the same position with the same qualifications earns."

[twa]

No one but you is saying that the SOLE proof of the war on women is the defunding of PP.

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Furthermore, I will once again point to the silence of the GOP as equal pay laws have been struck down. But, you nor the rest of the GOP want to speak up against it.

Oh you are leaning on the false spousal abuse thingee too .....next the vagina manger?

Funny , I have heard quite a bit from the GOP on the equal pay law....and the reasons they opposed the additions to it that scuttled it

[Larry]

The way I understand the repeal of the Wisconsin law is that it made it harder to sue in state court for the redress of wage grievances. Of course you can still sue in federal court, and I don't know of any push to repeal that.

Ah, so the GOP only repealed equal pay laws at the state level (where they have the votes), not at the federal level (where they don't).

Obviously they're moderates.

I would assert that the dishonesty regarding wages comes from the left. My kids probably know that "women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns." And I suspect there's a very good reason that THAT is the rallying cry as opposed to, "female teachers earn one dollar for every dollar a male teacher in the same position with the same qualifications earns."

Uh, if you're going to assert dishonesty, then shouldn't you come out and state the claim that you're trying to avoid saying, (specifically, that all women receive equal pay for equal work), instead of just trying to claim it without actually saying it?

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Oh you are leaning on the false spousal abuse thingee too .....next the vagina manger?

Funny , I have heard quite a bit from the GOP on the equal pay law....and the reasons they opposed the additions to it that scuttled it

And speaking of trying to say something without saying it, . . . .

If you're going to try to claim (without saying it) that the Republicans repealed an existing law because of some unstated "additions", then how about, when you get done actually stating what you're trying to hint at, you explain why they didn't just repeal these unnamed "additions", and leave the "equal pay" part in place?

[Teller]

Ah, so the GOP only repealed equal pay laws at the state level (where they have the votes), not at the federal level (where they don't).

Obviously they're moderates.

Wisconsin = The entirety of the GOP. Got it.

Uh, if you're going to assert dishonesty, then shouldn't you come out and state the claim that you're trying to avoid saying, (specifically, that all women receive equal pay for equal work), instead of just trying to claim it without actually saying it?

Oh of course. As soon as you say that there's not a single man in the country that makes less than a woman for doing the same job. There's a reason that you want to work in absolutes, and not address what I actually said. So typical.

[Larry]

Oh of course. As soon as you say that there's not a single man in the country that makes less than a woman for doing the same job. There's a reason that you want to work in absolutes, and not address what I actually said. So typical.

There's a reason why I want to talk about all women, and not just one profession or one individual.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Wisconsin = The entirety of the GOP. Got it.

And yet the entirety of the GOP is silent, where are the national GOP voice lending their voices to the women?

It is exactly like when McCain was giving speeches and people would scream out that Obama was a communist or socialist or a Kenyan...he was silent...why? He could have offered leadership and a counter voice to the stupidity...instead he grimmaced and then went on.

[Guest Spearfeather]

And yet the entirety of the GOP is silent, where are the national GOP voice lending their voices to the women?

It is exactly like when McCain was giving speeches and people would scream out that Obama was a communist or socialist or a Kenyan...he was silent...why? He could have offered leadership and a counter voice to the stupidity...instead he grimmaced and then went on.

[twa]

Larry would you consider claiming silence from the GOP on the matter honest?....getting a politician to shut up would be a nice trick

I did make a mistake there, as the addition issue was on the VAWA he and I were speaking of earlier...MY BAD :gap: