wrecker Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 You don't get pneumonia in a day, it comes on after already being sick. This means that he was sick befor the Carolina game, where he spent most of the game in the locker room. He was sick during the Eagle game. They just didn't know how sick he was. I'm not saying it was the only reason he sucked that day, but I'm sure it played a part. Ok so you are just speculating and making stuff up. That's what I thought.....no disrespect intended. So the below is not true then? No he was sick during the eagle game, he was in the hospital right after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cents Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I am speculating to a certain degree....that is not making stuff up. I will have to go back and look more because I thought I remembered heraing he went in after the Eagle game, but I could be wrong. The whole point of my take on this issue is that Rex was very sick about this whole time and I think it played a part in a lot of what happened at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsoe Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Thank god for fantasy football, it makes the pain of watching this Snyder team less obvious to me as I go week to week. So you begin by asking for Snyder to meddle, then go on for 3+ paragraphs detailing that Snyder is a terrible meddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadKarma Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Currently #11 in total D, fourth best in the NFC, top 5 in sacks, #10 in points allowed, not bad for a rebuilding project. We had a top 10 Defense when Shanahan came in here, unfortunately for the Redskins offense and our playoff hopes he spent the first two seasons rebuilding us back up to the same point on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 What I keep coming back to is the two desperate 3rd-and-long situations Dallas converted on us. Obviously a big "if," but if we prevent them from converting those, we're in first place today. Dallas converted those two 3rd downs because borderline future HOF'er Jarvis Jenkins was/is on IR. Next year, he challenges for DPOY and "Down goes Romo sits to pee! Down goes Romo sits to pee!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Rey Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I realize the East is down this year, but does anyone else feel like this happens almost every single year? We are just a few plays away from contending for a wildcard, but we continually lose close games and have our 20/20 hindsight to say that we should be in the mix. There hasn't been a dominant team in this division in a while. I usually do not believe in this, but we really should trade as many picks as necessary to get that franchise QB this year if we are not in the right position. If we even get an Eli Manning-typed, good but not elite QB, this team will contend every single year. On the note of the kicking argument, if we ever find that kicker who doesn't suck, do you think we should keep Gano on as a kickoff specialist? Because he certainly has been a weapon in that respect this eyar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CremeBrunell Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I realize the East is down this year, but does anyone else feel like this happens almost every single year? We are just a few plays away from contending for a wildcard, but we continually lose close games and have our 20/20 hindsight to say that we should be in the mix. There hasn't been a dominant team in this division in a while. I usually do not believe in this, but we really should trade as many picks as necessary to get that franchise QB this year if we are not in the right position. If we even get an Eli Manning-typed, good but not elite QB, this team will contend every single year. On the note of the kicking argument, if we ever find that kicker who doesn't suck, do you think we should keep Gano on as a kickoff specialist? Because he certainly has been a weapon in that respect this eyar. A weapon by kicking the ball outta bounds? Also I'm not even close to trying to trade away our draft for a franchise QB yet. I mean maaaaybe if we could get Luck but we know that isn't happening. We have way too many holes to fill... Our fans want us to stop wasting our draft picks on trades so we can waste them on trading up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Rey Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 It's not wasting them if we get a great quarterback. And by trading up, I don't mean trading the house for the pick; I mean maybe trading one or two picks to lockdown a position that we have not had a consistent starter out for 20 years. Other than that, we need O-line depth, competent players in the secondary, and another offensive playmaker. If we get that franchise QB, use the rest of our draft to build depth on the line, and address the secondary problem in free agency, we really won't be THAT far off. Aside from the secondary, this is a playoff defense (I realize the secondary is really important), but as much as people like to say how badly we suck, we have been competitive in almost every game this year. I truly believe we are closer to success than we give ourselves credit for, we just have to have another good offseason and not botch the draft. On the Gano question, I don't see how you can say he's been bad on kickoffs. His value in assuring that teams start on their 20 has outweighed the few mistakes he's made in kicking balls out of bounds, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 No. The 49ers, Panthers and Bills trounced us. It wasn't even competitive. There is no way we would have beat them, no matter who was starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 You don't get pneumonia in a day, it comes on after already being sick. Oh you think so Doctor? It seems like you and to some degree Shanahan are doing some revising of history at this point. Rex didn't play in 3 games this year - but it wasn't because he was sick - it was because he was benched in favor of a lesser player. Great one from Steinz at The Post. Best Quarterback on the Roster: Is there any doubt it’s Grossman? And that starting John Beck for three games was a total waste of time and momentum during one of the NFC East’s weakest years in recent memory? Beck’s three starts produced 31 points and 857 net yards. Grossman came in and produced 57 points and 1015 net yards in three games, with largely the same personnel. I don’t believe this team would be 4-7 had Grossman started all 11 games. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/redskins-seahawks-best-and-worst/2011/11/27/gIQAmkD62N_blog.html#pagebreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 We had a top 10 Defense when Shanahan came in here, unfortunately for the Redskins offense and our playoff hopes he spent the first two seasons rebuilding us back up to the same point on defense.We had an old D when he came in. He rebuilt the D with youth (something we haven't seen around these parts in nearly a decade) and I'm hoping he can do the same with the OL and QB. Reason for optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWil Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 If the Redskins were in contention to compete in the NFC East this year....it just indicates exactly HOW WEAK the East. This current Redskin team needs ALOT of work on the OLine and playmakers at QB, WR, and RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn12 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 We had an old D when he came in. He rebuilt the D with youth (something we haven't seen around these parts in nearly a decade) and I'm hoping he can do the same with the OL and QB. Reason for optimism. Agreed. We were very old. How much longer would that have lasted? They had to start somewhere. They chose defense. Now they have a pretty good defense that is young. It happens to be keeping us in games when our offense struggles. We're getting wins people aren't happy about, but what can you do? Tell the players "I know you want to develop into a good D, but stay ranked in the low 20s for another year, so we can lose and get a high draft pick and work on the offense next year." You can't really expect any team to be able to overhaul both sides of the ball at the same time at the same pace. By the nature of it, something has to improve first (or else you're really screwed because you suck at drafting). That's why teams are built over years and not 1.5 offseasons. Picking in the top 3 every year is just unnatural. It happens to teams, but it's not like standard procedure for all great teams. Most poor teams still pull off a handful of victories. As parts of your team improve and your record gets better which puts you drafting later in the first round, that's when you have to have a good front office to make good decisions and/or deals. We'll do it. This is the first time this team has looked to be on the right path in a long time. It takes a good running organization to create a team like the Packers or Patriots. Not a couple good drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAbrendan Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 he is shaping an Oline around zone blocking which we all know is never going to work in the NFC.E the way it does in Houston or did in the AFC.W. Could you elaborate on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Two words: David Akers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The closeness of even blowouts is what has attracted me to the NFL. Even a blow out is usually less than a 10 play difference and most games? If 2-3 plays resulted differently, the winner would have lost. Take Sunday, had 3-4 more plays gone our way, we blow the 'Hawks out big time, while had just 5 plays go against us and we'd have been blown out big time. On Helu's TD, what if the DB wraps up? Likely no first down much less the TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Not that this changes your point, but I think the Skins are #1 overall in sacks. I hate Gano and have wanted him to be gone since the off-season. Graham couldn't get out of us own way to make that possible, but I knew Gano would lose a game or two this year. Dude is not a gamer. He is great kicking when it doesn't matter, but when you are the worst kicker statistically two years in a row maybe you don't have want it takes. The problem is, people want to just cut the head off of the whole thing after looking at the numbers. Watch the games. Botched snaps last year (1 this year) and blocks in both years. Absolutely nothing zero nada to do with gano. Meanwhile, he gave us basically half our wins last year, in overtime, is capable of nailing 60 yarders (meaning Shanny has that option to put him out there in those situations, say before a half), he doesn't allow returns on kickoffs, ever(the reaction to his first kick out of bounds in forever the other day was ridiculous. it happens)....and really isn't that awful otherwise. He's young, and IMO you're begging for another David Akers situation if you cut him now. Although Shanny does kind of sound like he's on thin ice. Still, even to Shanny, I think the screw ups across the rest of the special teams make him look worse than he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The problem is, people want to just cut the head off of the whole thing after looking at the numbers.Watch the games. Botched snaps last year (1 this year) and blocks in both years. Absolutely nothing zero nada to do with gano. Meanwhile, he gave us basically half our wins last year, in overtime, is capable of nailing 60 yarders (meaning Shanny has that option to put him out there in those situations, say before a half), he doesn't allow returns on kickoffs, ever(the reaction to his first kick out of bounds in forever the other day was ridiculous. it happens)....and really isn't that awful otherwise. He's young, and IMO you're begging for another David Akers situation if you cut him now. Although Shanny does kind of sound like he's on thin ice. Still, even to Shanny, I think the screw ups across the rest of the special teams make him look worse than he is. im with you. while gano hasnt been great this year, he has shown some upside, and for a while, he was pretty much the only person scoring on our team. there have been so many other things wrong (and much worse) than our kicker this year. to put the blame all, or mostly on him is kinda ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 you can play this game if you want, but the fact is we are a bad team and lucking into a good record would only hurt us in the long run. converting for points you are in position to score is not luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goskinz0721 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 im with you. while gano hasnt been great this year, he has shown some upside, and for a while, he was pretty much the only person scoring on our team. there have been so many other things wrong (and much worse) than our kicker this year. to put the blame all, or mostly on him is kinda ridiculous. I agree. He's young. Outside of signing a traveling kicker de jour, we need to let the kid grow. The kicking carousel since Hall has been a sore spot on this team form too many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Skins aren't that far behind the overrated NFC East at all. The FG unit is what separates the Skins and Cowboys. In sum, you have three overrated QBs in Eli, Vick and Romo sits to pee and one underrated QB in Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfanindallas88 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 We had a top 10 Defense when Shanahan came in here, unfortunately for the Redskins offense and our playoff hopes he spent the first two seasons rebuilding us back up to the same point on defense. Yeah a top 10 defense that was ridiculously old. Now we have a young, hungry borderline top 10 defense that will only get better he came in thinking he was going to be Mark Cuban So he came in trying to emulate a guy who wasn't even an owner of any pro sports team at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The closeness of even blowouts is what has attracted me to the NFL. Even a blow out is usually less than a 10 play difference and most games? If 2-3 plays resulted differently, the winner would have lost. Take Sunday, had 3-4 more plays gone our way, we blow the 'Hawks out big time, while had just 5 plays go against us and we'd have been blown out big time. On Helu's TD, what if the DB wraps up? Likely no first down much less the TD. Helu at least believed he had the first down with forward progress as soon as he hurtled the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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