IHOPSkins Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 .....Fox found its niche by narrowcasting........"Niche"...."Narrowcasting" .......Fox News Had Over 60% Audience Share On Election Night http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/fox-news-had-over-60-audience-share-on-election-night/ Fox News Election Coverage Dominates Rivals http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/fox-news-election-coverage-dominates-35107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I love how people have mythologized Fox News at this point. Every news outlet sells from a point of view and Fox certainly doesn't have exclusivity in this regard. But believe what you want to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 The thing is, if you believe in the vast media conspiracy, but you accept Fox as the alternative, you have accomplished nothing. The idea, as I would see it, if you want to get rid of bias, the answer is not to become so biased yourself as to be a nightly joke for all the lies and manipulations that are caught. The answer would have been to actually offer a FAIR alternative, that had NO bias,, not a competing bias. Defending Fox as being against the bias, you're just cheering for your own bias. Not exactly respectable. And of course, Fox sees that you don't really want fairness... you just want validation for what you already think. And so that is all they are obligated to give you. How does this help our society? How did this answer media bias? Are we better off? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 "Niche"...."Narrowcasting" .......Fox News Had Over 60% Audience Share On Election Night http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/fox-news-had-over-60-audience-share-on-election-night/ Fox News Election Coverage Dominates Rivals http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/fox-news-election-coverage-dominates-35107 Did you read the article that you posted? I took the words (in quotes) directly from that article. As far as Fox News' 60% share of election night ratings... I'll first say that I also watch Fox News on election night. I also watch CNN and MSNBC. I'll switch between the three as I see fit. I assumed that this is normal, maybe I'm incorrect. I prefer CNN's election coverage, as I think it's the least biased but that's just me. I think one MAJOR reason for Fox News' success on election night is their early calling of precincts over the other networks. I don't really think that this is the right way to report elections numbers, but Fox hasn't had a major blunder calling the precincts early yet, so that strategy has paid off for them. I never really doubted Fox News' numbers though. I realize that they are the most profitable, highest rated news network. It's the fact that Fox News and the reporters (if that's what you can call it) that they have working for them report from the perspective that they are the minority. They have this underdog mentality when it's quite the opposite. Their talking heads complain about the "mainstream media" and fail to realize that they are on the news network that serves the most people. It's complete hypocrisy if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Sorry, but if I want to know how someone operates for real, I send someone without bias to find out. I could respect that, if it actually meant anything. The problem here is that, no matter who does an in depth investigative piece of journalism on x company or y political party or z news station, whoever ideologically aligns with x,y, or z tend to claim biased reporting, no matter what. I've seen it from the right and the left. So I ask you then, for an example, of who you would accept this sort of story/investigative piece from. Who would you read this sort of thing from (assuming it gives the same types of accounts as this RS article) and say "well, thats interesting...and it is coming from an unbiased source as well"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 ....The answer would have been to actually offer a FAIR alternative, that had NO bias,, not a competing bias......And we Continue to BANG heads on this issue The Constitution was written by men more intelligent than a few It has BUILT IN safeguards that UNDERSTANDs human nature....and has Checks and Balances You think "Free Press" only guarantees ONE opinion?.......Or that Truthful Opinion can be self determined by the Media Elite?........Laughable Truth can be determined by a synthesis of both sides......You argue for Unbiased Two Sides at the same time you determine Bias in one. Sorry if your argument falls short. "Fox, please play nice"......We think you have gone to far...Singed "The Other Side" Given that some coverage is full of :pooh:...its up to the other side to prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 And we Continue to BANG heads on this issue The Constitution was written by men more intelligent than a few It has BUILT IN safeguards that UNDERSTANDs human nature....and has Checks and Balances You think "Free Press" only guarantees ONE opinion?.......Or that Truthful Opinion can be self determined by the Media Elite?........Laughable Truth can be determined by a synthesis of both sides......You argue for Unbiased Two Sides at the same time you determine Bias in one. Sorry if your argument falls short. "Fox, please play nice"......We think you have gone to far...Singed "The Other Side" Given that some coverage is full of :pooh:...its up to the other side to prove it No, it's not up to the other side to prove it, it's up to the other side to do better. (What Jon Stewart does is more or less prove it, and even though it's couched as jokes, he does show the biases of both sides, albeit, it happens to Fox more often.) But in terms of news, the answer is to do better. To provide true unbiased news, not just sit there and refute everything the other propaganda says with just more propaganda. That isn't serving anyone. The only audience that gets is the one that wants to see that viewpoint,, but if it were truly fair, the only audience it would NOT get are the hardcores of either side that don't care about truth but from their perspective. Fox cant say they do that. The answer to bias is not opposite propaganda. We keep HOPpin' around that part ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Fox isn't any more embarrassing to watch than MBNBC. CNN can be pretty silly too. The News Hour and CSPAN are the only news outlets I can watch without shaking my head. Well, I shake my head at CSPAN a good bit too but it couldn't be more fair. And the Washington Journal facilitators are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 From the article, this quote best describes Fox News in a nutshell: "The network, at its core, is a giant soundstage created to mimic the look and feel of a news operation, cleverly camouflaging political propaganda as independent journalism." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 I love " Fox " News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 From the article, this quote best describes Fox News in a nutshell:"The network, at its core, is a giant soundstage created to mimic the look and feel of a news operation, cleverly camouflaging political propaganda as independent journalism." The sad reality is you can level the same claim at CNN (parts of it) as well as MSNBC and even ABC. It's where broadcast news is at. You really need to dig deeper to get at real truths. And Rolling Stone is a complete propaganda publication now (and I subscribed to it for probably 10 years until I got tired of it albeit it was more for the fact that they drifted away from being first and foremost about music and other mags are much better now in that regard). As a magazine with credibility it jumped the shark at least 10 years back. Just the title of that article, calling Fox not a news outlet but a Fear Factory undermines some credibility (and yes I did read it). That said, RS will always have some traction in the 18 to 24 yr old demographic which has traditionally always been their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 The sad reality is you can level the same claim at CNN (parts of it) as well as MSNBC and even ABC. It's where broadcast news is at. You really need to dig deeper to get at real truths. And Rolling Stone is a complete propaganda publication now (and I subscribed to it for probably 10 years until I got tired of it albeit it was more for the fact that they drifted away from being first and foremost about music and other mags are much better now in that regard). As a magazine with credibility it jumped the shark at least 10 years back. Just the title of that article, calling Fox not a news outlet but a Fear Factory undermines some credibility (and yes I did read it). That said, RS will always have some traction in the 18 to 24 yr old demographic which has traditionally always been their place. Well said. There's how many left - leaning " news channels " out there, and all they can do is complain about the one conservative, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Well said. There's how many left - leaning " news channels " out there, and all they can do is complain about the one conservative, There's that underdog mentality that I was talking about. So many left leaning news channels against one tiny little right leaning news channel. Fox News is the highest rated and largest grossing news channel out there. I like facts and numbers so I did a little searching. Here's what I came up with. http://people-press.org/2009/10/29/fox-news-viewed-as-most-ideological-network/ The Fox News Channel is viewed by Americans in more ideological terms than other television news networks. And while the public is evenly divided in its view of hosts of cable news programs having strong political opinions, more Fox News viewers see this as a good thing than as a bad thing. The perception of Fox News as mostly conservative is shared equally by regular Fox News viewers and regular viewers of other TV news networks. Half of regular CNN viewers see the Fox News Channel as mostly conservative, as do 48% its own viewers, 48% of regular MSNBC viewers and 45% of the regular viewers of national nightly network news on ABC, NBC and CBS.By contrast, regular Fox News viewers are more likely than those who tune into other news networks to see those networks as mostly liberal. For instance, 50% of regular Fox News viewers say NBC News is mostly liberal, compared with only about third of regular viewers of CNN (35%), MSNBC (31%) and the nightly network news (34%). There are comparable differences between how Fox News viewers and other news audiences see the ideologies of CBS News and ABC News. Take from that what you will. What I take from it is that Fox News is right leaning, is viewed as right leaning by its viewers as well of the viewers of other news channels. However, Fox News viewers see the other news channels as much more liberal than the rest. Across every news channel, Fox News viewers think that other news channel is less conservative than the rest. Across every news channel, Fox News viewers think that other news channels have much less unbiased coverage. Basically, Fox News viewers are OK with the fact that their channel of choice is excessively biased towards a conservative viewpoint. Furthermore, they believe (in my opinion) that other news networks are not to be trusted. To say that Fox News isn't, in part, responsible for the mindset that their viewers have would be a mistake. Therefore one should assume that Fox News has used "scare tactics" or is some kind of "fear factory" that has led its viewers to believe that all other networks are not trustworthy, reporting news with a left (or even socialist) lean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Am I the only one who watches CNN and fails to see the glaring left-wing bias? I mean I see a bunch of lame on-air personalities and stupid stories, but I don't see potential Democratic presidential candidates or former political operatives with their own hour-long shows. Hell, Glenn Beck started on CNN. Maybe I'm just watching at the wrong times or something. And MSNBC is what it is, but at least they actually fire people. Convincing people that you are the only accurate source of information is genius (not a good genius.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 The sad reality is you can level the same claim at CNN (parts of it) as well as MSNBC and even ABC. Have there been any investigative journalism pieces or anything like that on CNN, etc (I don't care if they are from a conservative or not, as long as it is well researched) that have shown a complete hierarchy of top to bottom message management devoted to pushing a specific ideological agenda? A report that shows that they were, from the ground up, built to support a specific ideology and political base, not to mention candidates? If so, I would be absolutely fine with reading them with an open mind. But I have just never seen anything like that about any of those news channels; its only Fox News. Do some other channels have a liberal bias or do their journalists have it? Quite possibly. However, that is not the same as systematically building a propaganda machine with the intent of presenting itself as news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Am I the only one who watches CNN and fails to see the glaring left-wing bias? No, you're not the only one. I never looked at CNN as a "liberal" network. Its just straight news to me. No particular agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Am I the only one who watches CNN and fails to see the glaring left-wing bias? I mean I see a bunch of lame on-air personalities and stupid stories, but I don't see potential Democratic presidential candidates or former political operatives with their own hour-long shows. Hell, Glenn Beck started on CNN. Maybe I'm just watching at the wrong times or something. And MSNBC is what it is, but at least they actually fire people.Convincing people that you are the only accurate source of information is genius (not a good genius.) I don't see much bias in CNN myself. If you look at my post above yours, you'll see that CNN is picked as having no conservative or liberal bias more than any other news network. Unfortunately Fox News viewers fail to see this think that Fox News is more unbiased than CNN (granted it's only one percentage point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Why am I not surprised that the point about the physical make up of FOX that the article brought up and I tried to highlight was ignored? We can argue bias which is almost always filtered through our bias, but the fact that they have the smallest news dept and the fewest number of bureaus despite their profitability means something about the quality they are able to produce (or want to produce to achieve their aims). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Why am I not surprised that the point about the physical make up of FOX that the article brought up and I tried to highlight were ignored? We can argue bias which is almost always filtered through our bias, but the fact that they have the smallest news dept and the fewest number of bureaus despite their profitability means something about the quality they are able to produce (or want to produce to achieve their aims). I did not ignore your point. I actually thought it was very, very valid. It just didn't seem that the conversation was going that way. I would like to see how this compares to other cable news outlets as well. Here was my response: And Burgold, that is a very un-biased opinion as it pertains to Fox News and I think you are spot on when it comes to the lack of size and number of departments in their agency. Murdock must love it though because they are the largest grossing news agency by far and have such a small overhead. Even when it comes to their business model they are "conservative"... unfortunately I agree that this likely hurts the final product. The only one I regularly see on the beat is Shep. He's easily the most respectable one on the team and it's probably his ability to tell the news without a slant. That has to kill Ailes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 Yeah, I know... but then our resident rationalizers of the right ridiculed reporters rabidly with their righteous retorts. or... we got led back into the same old circle dance with same ole arguments. ---------- Post added May-28th-2011 at 08:50 PM ---------- Yeah, I know... but then our resident rationalizers of the right ridiculed reporters rabidly with their righteous and ridiculous retorts.or... we got led back into the same old circle dance with same ole arguments. Wanted one more "r" but didn't want to edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 There's that underdog mentality that I was talking about. So many left leaning news channels against one tiny little right leaning news channel. Fox News is the highest rated and largest grossing news channel out there.Take from that what you will. What I take from it is that Fox News is right leaning, is viewed as right leaning by its viewers as well of the viewers of other news channels. However, Fox News viewers see the other news channels as much more liberal than the rest. Across every news channel, Fox News viewers think that other news channel is less conservative than the rest. Across every news channel, Fox News viewers think that other news channels have much less unbiased coverage. Basically, Fox News viewers are OK with the fact that their channel of choice is excessively biased towards a conservative viewpoint. Furthermore, they believe (in my opinion) that other news networks are not to be trusted. To say that Fox News isn't, in part, responsible for the mindset that their viewers have would be a mistake. Therefore one should assume that Fox News has used "scare tactics" or is some kind of "fear factory" that has led its viewers to believe that all other networks are not trustworthy, reporting news with a left (or even socialist) lean. The other news channels are , in part, also responsible for the mindset of their viewers. I wasn't trying to imply that Fox was tiny, just outnumbered, but yeah as far as ratings go, they have nothing to worry about, and I already knew that, I don't believe there's an underdog mentality at Fox. More like a " we're crushing them ' mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 If you look at my post above yours, you'll see that CNN is picked as having no conservative or liberal bias more than any other news network. That poll also has half of CNN's viewers saying that Fox does not lean conservative, so I'm not sure how useful it actually is. To me, it's fairly obvious how this all played out. The mainstream media for years has leaned left. Various studies have demonstrated this, such as the poll that showed that something like 92% of journalists voted for Clinton, or some of the Pew Research studies about bias in the media. I'm not going to dig those up again, because it's not important to the point, which is that I don't think it's a conspiracy or intentional, but more like what Goldberg says in his book Bias: more liberals than conservatives tend to be drawn to journalism, and a pattern is set in news rooms where new people fall in with the established routine. People like Dan Rather that seemed to have an obvious agenda would be the exception. One's own bias magnifies or reduces the effect, depending, so conservatives tend to see this as worse than it actually is, perhaps. (When one is already 45 degrees to the right, so to speak, a 10 degree left tilt looks like it's 55 degrees "off course"). Thus, FOX News was created, to "balance" this out. Where the left lean of other networks is probably just a natural effect, FOX is obviously intentionally biased to the right, and though they claim to be "Fair and Balanced", I think even most of their viewers know it, and are happy about it, because they see it as a natural and right response to the bias of the left leaning media. What's sad is that it's actually made things in that sense worse. Every conservative leaning journalist or host that might have been found on CNN or ABC or whatever is now on FOX (see Stossel, Hume, Beck, etc.). Moreover, as the article briefly touched upon, MSNBC has seen FOX's success and seems determined to reproduce it on the left. They haven't gone as far yet, but it's only been a few years. Give them time. Personally, I get all my news right here, from the perfectly fair and reasonable posters of Extremeskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 So, does this chart show that if you watched all of these channels for an equal amount of time, on a daily basis; then you would see more of a liberal bias, than conservative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 So, does this chart show that if you watched all of these channels for an equal amount of time, on a daily basis; then you would see more of a liberal bias, than conservative? The fact I even see this chart just shows me someone else just making excuses for them instead of demanding what you claim to want, which is no bias. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spearfeather Posted May 29, 2011 Share Posted May 29, 2011 The fact I even see this chart just shows me someone else just making excuses for them instead of demanding what you claim to want, which is no bias.~Bang Also, judging by the chart, the liberal media has exactly what it wants. A more liberal bias, than conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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