tr1 might have been right all along about DeMarcus Ware...

[tr1]

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=251539

http://www.talk-sports.net/nfl/sucks.aspx/DeMarcus_Ware

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4316014

Taylor: DeMarcus Ware and Jay Ratliff have gone from great to good in just one season

[Mr. Jones]

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=251539

http://www.talk-sports.net/nfl/sucks.aspx/DeMarcus_Ware

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4316014

Taylor: DeMarcus Ware and Jay Ratliff have gone from great to good in just one season

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/25401/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-pass-rushers

lets see...a rant from early 2007 by a Giants fan, a year that Ware ended up with 14 sacks and 4 forced fumbles

...a fan site "dedicated" to bashing Ware with 1 negative post backed up by no facts

...Whining by an ex-cowboy that was pretty much debunked as that year as

Ware played all but 29 snaps last season -- 986 out of 1015. That's 97.14 percent.

Thirteen of those plays came at the end of the Seattle game after Ware got hurt, leaving 16 plays that he missed in the rest of the season.

Meaning Ware didn't play a snap a game, hardly time to sit out for Ellis. Even more so since Ellis wasn't even Ware's backup.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/35956/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-linebackers

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/25401

but of course, your absurd opinion, so much more important and informed...

[skinsnshanny]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/25401/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-pass-rushers

lets see...a rant from early 2007 by a Giants fan, a year that Ware ended up with 14 sacks and 4 forced fumbles

...a fan site "dedicated" to bashing Ware with 1 negative post backed up by no facts

...Whining by an ex-cowboy that was pretty much debunked as that year as Meaning Ware didn't play a snap a game, hardly time to sit out for Ellis. Even more so since Ellis wasn't even Ware's backup.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/35956/power-rankings-top-10-nfl-linebackers

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/25401

but of course, your absurd opinion, so much more important and informed...

7/8 first place votes. (Ware had 79 total points, next highest was 61...not even close) Multiple sites grade Ware as top class.

Its embarrassing this is even up for debate.

[tr1]

7/8 first place votes. (Ware had 79 total points, next highest was 61...not even close) Multiple sites grade Ware as top class.

Its embarrassing this is even up for debate.

All vote totals reflect is how big a hype machine the pukes have.

I suppose you believe they really had 13 guys who earned pro-bowl status a few years ago, eh?

Seriously, how many puke games have you watched in the last 5 years...or do you live by ESPN highlights?

I watch all the games, either live or DVR'd...and Where is hardly the player most think he is. Andre Carter in Wade's scheme would have put up as many sacks...if not more.

Just the facts.

[skinsnshanny]

Andre Carter in Wade's scheme would have put up as many sacks...if not more.

Just the facts.

You understand this is not a fact right?

[Hitman21ST]

Let's put some numbers to this...

Comparing Ware's to Mario Williams' sacks:

2006: 11.5 - 4.5

2007: 14 - 14

2008: 20 - 12

2009: 11 - 9

2010: 15.5 - 8.5

Let's put a little mark on this post, and compare them again after this year, when Williams and Ware are in a new defense. Let's see who has more sacks.

[tr1]

Let's put some numbers to this...

Comparing Ware's to Mario Williams' sacks:

2006: 11.5 - 4.5

2007: 14 - 14

2008: 20 - 12

2009: 11 - 9

2010: 15.5 - 8.5

Let's put a little mark on this post, and compare them again after this year, when Williams and Ware are in a new defense. Let's see who has more sacks.

This should be fun.

[Bubble Screen]

All vote totals reflect is how big a hype machine the pukes have.

I suppose you believe they really had 13 guys who earned pro-bowl status a few years ago, eh?

Seriously, how many puke games have you watched in the last 5 years...or do you live by ESPN highlights?

I watch all the games, either live or DVR'd...and Where is hardly the player most think he is. Andre Carter in Wade's scheme would have put up as many sacks...if not more.

Just the facts.

How is that a "fact"?

You're an embarrassment to Redskin fans.

[tr1]

How is that a "fact"?

You're an embarrassment to Redskin fans.

Thanks for your keen insight...want to contribute something or just do some more insulting?

I'm sorry you've fallen prey to the puke hype, too.

[skinfan2k]

Andre Carter is a joke and would be lost in wade's scheme sorry

[Bubble Screen]

Thanks for your keen insight...want to contribute something or just do some more insulting?

I'm sorry you've fallen prey to the puke hype, too.

Your Ware hate is laughable. Its sad that you watch all of Dallas' games, yet still can't comprehend that he is a great player. Hell, by your comments, I don't even think you consider him good.

And how you can state for a "fact" that Carter would have had as many, or more, sacks than Ware in the same scheme is also laughable. Sorry, but with that line of thinking, I'm not sure there's much I can add to help you better understand the game.

Everyone (well most, anyway) here hates the Cowboys. But you take the hatred to a whole new level. Its ok to admit one of their players can play. That doesn't make you any less of a fan. I promise.

.

[tr1]

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/1/4/1913068/thats-so-crazy-it-just-might-work-examining-wade-phillips-3-4-scheme

First things first, let's take a look at exactly what Wade's system is (and discuss how that differs from a traditional 3-4).

Linemen. In a traditional 3-4 the three defensive lineman play primarily a two-gap style. The Nose Tackle, generally an exceedingly large individual, lines up directly over center in a 0-technique, and has responsibility for both A gaps. The defensive ends, who were also among the largest children in their grade school class, line up directly over the tackles in a 5-technique, and they each have responsibility for their corresponding B and C gaps. Here's a pretty picture I made in MS Paint:

3-4_gaps_medium

Obviously, if you are responsible for two gaps, you cannot charge through one or the other all willy-nilly and leave the other exposed. For this reason, two-gap defensive lineman have to play a read-and-react style to see which of their respective gaps needs attention.

Phillips' system, however, has the linemen --- even the nose tackle --- playing a one-gap system. At the snap, each of those linemen picks one of his two gaps and shoots through it. He is responsible for anything coming through that gap, with the linebackers responsible for anything coming through an open gap. (We'll cover the linebackers more in a second.) While Phillips' scheme does generally use larger DEs similar to what you'd find in the traditional two-gap 3-4 front, his system does not require them. Case in point, while all of Dallas' DEs this year were over 300 lbs, Luis Castillo played at 290 or less while Phillips was there. Yes, that's big in a 4-3 DE, but that's undersized in your traditional 3-4 mold.

Nor does Phillips' plan require a massive nose tackle. Sure, he will use them when he can get them (again, think San Diego with 340+ lb Jamal Williams), but they are not required because, in Phillips' scheme, the nose tackle has no more responsibility for eating up blockers than does any other defensive lineman. In fact, one of Dallas' starting DEs, Igor Olshansky, weighed more than Dallas' starting NT, Jay Ratliff, who is listed at 6-4/303 (though he is probably closer to 310 these days).

Linebackers. At the second level, Phillips' scheme is much more similar to what you see in any 3-4. The weak OLB is the primary source of pass rush from the linebacking corps, both ILBs are responsible for runners coming through the A and B gaps (with the Weak ILB having more pass coverage duties and the Strong ILB having more of a pass-rush role), and the strong OLB is responsible for TE coverage and for runs to the C gap or outside the TE on that side.

The way Phillips' system changes things up a bit, however, is primarily with respect to his weak OLB. While with Dallas, Phillips had DeMarcus Ware in that role, and Ware functioned more as a fourth lineman than a linebacker, with his ears pinned back and a blitz responsibility on an overwhelming number of plays. When Ware was asked to cover, it was almost entirely by dropping into the near flat in a zone; he was almost never asked to cover a RB in man coverage.

The other change, which builds of the Weak OLB role, is that the question mark on most blitzes was limited to which one or two of the other LBs was coming on a blitz, as the defense blitzes a LOT. While this would seem to limit the effectiveness of the 3-4 by removing some of the surprise that a defense like the New York Jets' is predicated upon, in truth it has just the opposite effect. Because teams knew that Ware was coming on pretty much every play, he became a focal point with protection sliding that way and teams trying to block that front as if it was a 4-3, leaving themselves open to the more aggressive nature of Phillips' 3-4. In other words, by bringing Ware and having all three linemen shoot the gaps rather than read-and-react, Phillips created something similar to the Jim Johnson 4-3, but with the added flexibility that came from having Ware slightly off the line (wrecking the offensive line's spacing and ability to pull a guard) and from having good pass rushers at Strong OLB who could make a team pay if they overreacted to the Weak OLB's role.

Secondary. Because of the aggressive, blitzing nature of the front seven, the corners in Phillips' secondary do about what you'd expect: press coverage, bump-and-run to disrupt timing where possible, drop the strong safety into the middle to fill for vacating ILBs. For the system to work well, you need a strong safety who is a sure tackler in the open field and a free safety who is adept at both man and zone coverage. Corners who can tackle are also a plus, given the amount of green that is often between them and the next defensive player because of the front seven generally moving forward, but corners who can play man and keep up with WRs are a must.

So, here you go fellas...in the section I highlighted you'll see that Where comes on almost every play, rarely drops into coverage and his effectiveness is DEPENDENT on the play of a strong OLB (formerly Ellis) or strong rush from NT (Ratliff.)

I don't make this stuff up.

What's embarrassing is that so Skins fans from the most knowledgeable fan base in the NFL continue to believe that Where can only be rendered human by Kryptonite.

He's a good athlete benefiting from a scheme utilizing his talent.

Again, Andre Carter would shine in Wade's defense.

---------- Post added May-15th-2011 at 09:20 PM ----------

Your Ware hate is laughable. Its sad that you watch all of Dallas' games, yet still can't comprehend that he is a great player. Hell, by your comments, I don't even think you consider him good.

Obviously you haven't read the thread. You look foolish when you don't choose to comprehend.

And how you can state for a "fact" that Carter would have had as many, or more, sacks than Ware in the same scheme is also laughable. Sorry, but with that line of thinking, I'm not sure there's much I can add to help you better understand the game.

Read the post above...perhaps you can become enlightened...

Everyone (well most, anyway) here hates the Cowboys. But you take the hatred to a whole new level. Its ok to admit one of their players can play. That doesn't make you any less of a fan. I promise.

.

Had you read the thread, you'd have seen I said good things about Ratliff...it's a shame you choose to comment without being informed.

I'll tell you what, I won't comment on you intelligence until I KNOW you've read the thread...

---------- Post added May-15th-2011 at 09:34 PM ----------

Andre Carter is a joke and would be lost in wade's scheme sorry

In 2009 Andre had 11 sacks...the SAME number as Where.

Just the facts.

[Mr. Jones]

Actually you have it backwards, the bit you highlighted was explaining how Ware forced offenses to slide protection to his side freeing up the other players on the defense to make plays. Shame your reading comprehension isn't better, this actually disproves your points. You might just want to consider admitting you're wrong on this one as even the fans of your own team are laughing at you now.

[tr1]

Actually you have it backwards, the bit you highlighted was explaining how Ware forced offenses to slide protection to his side freeing up the other players on the defense to make plays. Shame your reading comprehension isn't better, this actually disproves your points. You might just want to consider admitting you're wrong on this one as even the fans of your own team are laughing at you now.

:rotflmao:

You're kidding, right?

I just explained how teams would avoid cheating over to concentrate on Where because of the aggressive nature of Wade's other defenders, basically assuring him of a generally easier way to the backfield, and you are saying Where makes everyone else better?

:ols:

Wade's scheme is designed to shake the weak OLB free to rush almost every down.

A guy in that position in Wade's scheme is automatically going to have some gimme sacks...

Scheme + Where = GlamStats.

[Mr. Jones]

Try reading it again...

Because teams knew that Ware was coming on pretty much every play, he became a focal point with protection sliding that way and teams trying to block that front as if it was a 4-3, leaving themselves open to the more aggressive nature of Phillips' 3-4. In other words, by bringing Ware and having all three linemen shoot the gaps rather than read-and-react, Phillips created something similar to the Jim Johnson 4-3, but with the added flexibility that came from having Ware slightly off the line (wrecking the offensive line's spacing and ability to pull a guard) and from having good pass rushers at Strong OLB who could make a team pay if they overreacted to the Weak OLB's role.

They know Ware is coming from the WOLB...forcing teams to account for him and giving other pass rushers a better chance if they over react to Ware. I've no idea what the hell you're reading to not get that.

[Aireskoi]

Try reading it again...

They know Ware is coming from the WOLB...forcing teams to account for him and giving other pass rushers a better chance if they over react to Ware. I've no idea what the hell you're reading to not get that.

The point is "by bringing Ware and having all three linemen shoot the gaps rather than read-and-react" is why they were not able to pay enough attention to Ware. The scheme was the difference. 3-4 defenses don't have pass rushers like Ratliff at the nose. Put a big fat dude two gapping in there and that changes everything.

Clearly Ware benefited from the play of Ratliff and the scheme he was in. His sack numbers were up due to this.

---------- Post added May-16th-2011 at 07:30 AM ----------

Andre Carter is a joke and would be lost in wade's scheme sorry

Do you really mean that? Seems to go against your sig., that's not like it is.

Carter can rush the passer, but he isn't good in coverage.

Great team player, he did the best he could for us with what he was asked to do, without complaint.

In Wade's scheme that would be rushing the passer and covering a back in the flat once in a great while.

Carter is no joke, moving to LB was not his choice.

[KDawg]

Heh. I disagree with tr1 as much as anybody on what he says sometimes...(I even disagree a bit here...) But he's not an embarassment. He's got the Redskins in his best interests 100% of the time. Even when he has to turn a blind eye to reality. That's not my style, that's not the way I operate. Hell, it's not how most of us operate... But he's far from an embarassment.

He's a homer... Damn right. But he's a Redskin fan through and through.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

Heh. I disagree with tr1 as much as anybody on what he says sometimes...(I even disagree a bit here...) But he's not an embarassment. He's got the Redskins in his best interests 100% of the time. Even when he has to turn a blind eye to reality. That's not my style, that's not the way I operate. Hell, it's not how most of us operate... But he's far from an embarassment.

He's a homer... Damn right. But he's a Redskin fan through and through.

More specifically, an old school Skins fan. He remembers and gets it...

I became a Redskins fan when hating the Cowboys was not only a birthright but a requirement to remain in the family lol ...being called a Cowboys fan was the worst insult you could be given among my 7th grade classmates...nobody dared say "I wish Roger Staubach was the Skins' QB"...older, more knowledgeable relatives would point out the flaws and weaknesses of Dallas players and loved seeing it when other teams exploited them, especially our beloved Redskins...George Allen never won a SB with the Skins but NOBODY claiming to be a Skins fan would ever think of trading 10 Tom Landrys for even one Coach Allen (and most of us secretly admired Landry)...

We didn't require 5 straight years of playoff births before we felt comfortable blasting the Cowboys. We were Redskins fans, and that was enough. And we got the same thing from Dallas fans...15-1 or 1-15, Cowboys fans would blast our team and fan base...and as a Skins fan you not only expected it, you enjoyed the challenge of defending your team and putting a "damn Cowboys fan" in his place lol ...

Now? Now, we get way too many Redskins fans saying way too much of "I'd take Romo sits to pee on the Skins"..."At least the Cowboys have been to the playoffs"..."At least Jerry Jones has won some Super Bowls"...like any of that ****ing matters when it comes to our two franchises. Jeebus, put on a skirt and stop calling yourselves Skins fans if that's gonna be your take on things. :cool:

[TonyRomoProBowl]

This point was made...and I agree with it. The reason this thread is lasting as long as it is, has more to do with Skins fans arguing with TR1 as much as it is from Dallas fans.

I also get a kick out of TR1's style...."Andre Carter would have the same amount of sacks if not more then Ware in that System" .........and calls that "the facts"....thats pretty dag on funny on its own.

The bottom line is this: This thread & TR1's "opinion" on Demarcus Ware are both laughable....and if you read all the comments and all the back and forth debates (if ya will) from not only a few Dallas fans, but a few Skins fans as well........you can see that TR1 and some of his Fan club (if ya will) have been absolutely demolished in this thread.....Its not even close........

The facts still remain as is:

FACT- Ware is one of the top pass rushers in the NFL.

FACT- Ware is a Pass rushing specialist.(thats what a OLB in a 3-4 is

FACT- A 5-2 is nothing more then another way to say 3-4.....the def (and its Scheme is exactly the same) Some coaches call it 3-4 some call it a 5-2......but its the same defense.......how they (def cord) call plays out of that formation does vari...and how they (Def Cord) assign gaps and responsibilities will vari as well.....This is something i learned at a Coaches clinic, that was taught to us (HS coaches) from College and Pro coaches for all over the map.....

FACT- Ware is respected by Players and coaches around the NFL.....

FACT- Ware is one of the BEST LB's....in the NFL VS the Run.

FACT- Ware doesn't have many coverage responsibilities but when he does have them he performs very well

FACT- Ware plays a COMPLETELY different position then Ray Lewis

Opinions

Opinion- The scheme makes D Ware and he would not perform well out of this scheme.

Opinion- Ware is not as good as Mathews (as compared to him as an all around LB)

Opinion - Ware is not LT and NEVER will be (99.9999% of this can be FACT....I think we cam all agree that he is not LT and never will be LT

Opinion - A.Carter would have the same if not more (in terms of sacks) in that scheme

Opinion- Ware has never been able to take over any BIG Games........

Opinion - Ware is only good because of the "good" players surrounding him in that system

this is a very short list, but a starting point to help distinguish between fact and opinion.

anyone can add to this list as they may (as long as we all know the difference between the two (fact and opinion)

[Tweedr01]

More specifically, an old school Skins fan. He remembers and gets it...

I became a Redskins van when hating the Cowboys was not only a birthright but a requirement to remain in the family lol ...being called a Cowboys fan was the worst insult you could be given among my 7th grade classmates...nobody dared say "I wish Roger Staubach was the Skins' QB"...older, more knowledgeable relatives would point out the flaws and weaknesses of Dallas players and loved seeing it when other teams exploited them, especially our beloved Redskins...George Allen never won a SB with the Skins but NOBODY claiming to be a Skins fan would ever think of trading 10 Tom Landrys for even one Coach Allen (and most of us secretly admired Landry)...

We didn't require 5 straight years of playoff births before we felt comfortable blasting the Cowboys. We were Redskins fans, and that was enough. And we got the same thing from Dallas fans...15-1 or 1-15, Cowboys fans would blast our team and fan base...and as a Skins fan you not only expected it, you enjoyed the challenge of defending your team and putting a "damn Cowboys fan" in his place lol ...

Now? Now, we get way too many Redskins fans saying way too much of "I'd take Romo sits to pee on the Skins"..."At least the Cowboys have been to the playoffs"..."At least Jerry Jones has won some Super Bowls"...like any of that ****ing matters when it comes to our two franchises. Jeebus, put on a skirt and stop calling yourselves Skins fans if that's gonna be your take on things. :cool:

at least someone gets it, i can admit when a player is good, but that's where it stops. i'm not the oldest skins fan in the world, but i was raised with standards, and one of them is a genuine hatred of everything silver and blue.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

a 40 year old LIFELONG Dallas fan here...that knows EXACTLY what you are sayin Cali....but i have outgrown a lot of that myself. Not saying I am any better of a fan/person then anyone else.........

HOWEVER.....I have a ton of respect for football players, matters not the team and/or the colors of his uniform. I can honestly say that I once felt that same way and would go to my grave hating a player, based on his Brck red and piss yellow colors, but not so much anymore.....

Certainly because I followed the mans entire college career (being a Longhorn fan) and watched every snap......I love Rak.......and just because the Skins drafted him i will not turn on that hate switch.......sure I do wish him to have bad games VS Dallas, and wish for him to be on a sucky team until he turns into a FA and leaves for another team....But i will not hate on him....I love Rak and wish him the best and enjoy watching him play. I also think he will soon turn into one of the top LB's in the game (pass rushing specialist i should say)......and he will indeed sooner then later have his name mentioned with the best in the game at his position: Mathews, Harrison, Suggs and Ware.......

again......i dont claim to be any better of a football fan or person, just different........thats all.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

This point was made...and I agree with it. The reason this thread is lasting as long as it is, has more to do with Skins fans arguing with TR1 as much as it is from Dallas fans.

I also get a kick out of TR1's style...."Andre Carter would have the same amount of sacks if not more then Ware in that System" .........and calls that "the facts"....thats pretty dag on funny on its own.

The bottom line is this: This thread & TR1's "opinion" on Demarcus Ware are dabatable, but my responses and viewpoints are both laughable....and if you read all the comments and all the back and forth debates (if ya will) from not only a few Dallas fans, but a few Skins fans as well........you can see that TR1 and some of his Fan club (if ya will) have absolutely held their own in this thread.....which I hate.........

The facts still remain as is:

FACT- Ware is one of the top pass rushers in the NFL when utilized in Wade's 5-2 version of the 3-4.

FACT- Ware is a Pass rushing specialist but not a complete LB.(thats what a OLB in a 3-4 is

FACT- A 5-2 is nothing more then another way to say 3-4.....the def (and its Scheme is exactly the same) Some coaches call it 3-4 some call it a 5-2......but its the same defense.......how they (def cord) call plays out of that formation does vari...and how they (Def Cord) assign gaps and responsibilities will vari as well.....Which Wade and tr1 have said are varied in order to maximize Ware's chances of getting a sack...which I should know cuz I coach high school football (Al Bundy football pose)...

FACT- Ware is respected by Players and coaches around the NFL.....then again so was James Thrash, so it proves little...

FACT- Ware is one of the BEST LB's....on the Cowboys VS the Run.

FACT- Ware doesn't have many coverage responsibilities but when he does have them he performs well enough for me to exaggerate and instead say he does it "very well".

FACT- Ware plays a COMPLETELY different position then Ray Lewis, which doesn't really negate what was being said about Ray Lewis...but if I take it out of context I can make it sound as if I'm right about the point being made...

Opinions, as paraphrased by me in order to exaggerate those same opinions...ignore the parts in red, they mean nothing. Nothing!

Opinion- The scheme and the media make D Ware into the overhyped player he is and he would not perform AS well out of this scheme...

Opinion- Ware is not as good as Mathews (as compared to him as an all around LB) but 98% of Cowboys fans would say otherwise...

Opinion - Ware is not LT and NEVER will be (99.9999% of this can be FACT....I think we cam all agree that he is not LT and never will be LT) so he should stop being overhyped as though he is...

Opinion - A.Carter would have the same if not more (in terms of sacks) in that scheme which for all we know he very well may have...

Opinion- Ware has never been able to take over any BIG Games...

Opinion - Ware is good regardless of the players surrounding him...but is given more credit for his high sack totals than the "good" players surrounding him in that system

this is a very short list, but a starting point to help distinguish between what my opinion of fact and opinion are...

anyone can add to this list as they may (as long as we all know the difference between how I view the two (fact and opinion)

Can't argue with any of that... :yes:

[royallypwned]

I :ols:ed.

[Hitman21ST]

The facts still remain as is:

FACT- Ware is one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. - Agreed

FACT- Ware is a Pass rushing specialist.(thats what a OLB in a 3-4 is Ware is a pass rushing specialist, but a 3-4 OLB generally has more responsibilities than a pass rushing specialist. They can drop into zone, cover backs or tight ends in man coverage, be backside contain, etc. These are things that Ware does on an exceedingly smaller basis than Clay Matthews, James Harrison, or LaMarr Woodley.

FACT- A 5-2 is nothing more then another way to say 3-4.....the def (and its Scheme is exactly the same) Some coaches call it 3-4 some call it a 5-2......but its the same defense.......how they (def cord) call plays out of that formation does vari...and how they (Def Cord) assign gaps and responsibilities will vari as well.....This is something i learned at a Coaches clinic, that was taught to us (HS coaches) from College and Pro coaches for all over the map..... - the highlighted portion says it all. In Wade's scheme, everyone's responsibilites free Ware up to blitz unabated.

FACT- Ware is respected by Players and coaches around the NFL..... - no one said he wasn't.

FACT- Ware is one of the BEST LB's....in the NFL VS the Run. - can this be proven?

FACT- Ware doesn't have many coverage responsibilities but when he does have them he performs very well - again, proof? Give me a number of passes defended, or something.

FACT- Ware plays a COMPLETELY different position then Ray Lewis -

Opinions

Opinion- The scheme makes D Ware and he would not perform well out of this scheme. - Wade just said his scheme was designed to highlight Ware. That was in the OP. We'll see how well he performs whenever there's football again.

Opinion- Ware is not as good as Mathews (as compared to him as an all around LB) - Matthews is better in coverage and just as good on the blitz

Opinion - Ware is not LT and NEVER will be (99.9999% of this can be FACT....I think we cam all agree that he is not LT and never will be LT

Opinion - A.Carter would have the same if not more (in terms of sacks) in that scheme - Educated guess

Opinion- Ware has never been able to take over any BIG Games........

Opinion - Ware is only good because of the "good" players surrounding him in that system

this is a very short list, but a starting point to help distinguish between fact and opinion.

anyone can add to this list as they may (as long as we all know the difference between the two (fact and opinion)

[Califan007 The Constipated]

at least someone gets it, i can admit when a player is good, but that's where it stops. i'm not the oldest skins fan in the world, but i was raised with standards, and one of them is a genuine hatred of everything silver and blue.

:yes: ...it's a rivalry and a feud. I hated having Norv as our coach not simply because he was inept, but because he was from the Cowboys coaching staff. :mad:

I don't want anything from that putrid franchise infecting my beloved Skins...

a 40 year old LIFELONG Dallas fan here...that knows EXACTLY what you are sayin Cali....but i have outgrown a lot of that myself. Not saying I am any better of a fan/person then anyone else.........

HOWEVER.....I have a ton of respect for football players, matters not the team and/or the colors of his uniform.

You lost me there lol...of COURSE the colors of his uniform should dictate your feelings about a player. I absolutely LOVE Cooley and pray he retires a Redskins in, say, 8 years or however long it should take...but if he jumped to the Cowboys I would not be "respecting" or admiring him anymore. It would change my view of him completely. If any player from my alma mater ended up drafted by the Cowboys I wouldn't be able to stomach hearing him talk so glowingly and lovingly about his new team. Screw him lol...loved you back in college, though.

After players have retired I might begrudgingly admit some respect and admiration for a player's skills and talents...I did with guys like Tony Dorsett, Tom Landry, Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman...I absolutely HATED seeing "Crazy Ray" during Skins-Cowboys games, but was genuinely saddened to hear he had passed away. He was a staple of the rivalry and it was obvious that he and Chief Zee had a really sincere bond...and I loved seeing one choking the other, depending upon who just scored ...

Point being: after these individuals are outside the rivalry I'll assess their careers and their place in football a little more objectively...or I'll own up to having some respect for them even while they were helping the disgusting Cowboys beat my blue collar, hard working Redskins. But I feel ZERO desire to make sure my fellow Skins fans acknowledge just how great any of the players currently on the Cowboys roster are. Especially when the media is trying to force us all into believing the player and the Cowboys are much better than they really are.

again......i dont claim to be any better of a football fan or person, just different........thats all.

Does the "not better or worse, just different" mantra apply to just you?...Or does that apply to others whose take on football and its players vary drastically from yours?