The Official Washington Basketball Thread: Wizards, Mystics etc

[Ball Security]

6 minutes ago, Hersh said:

Did Deni get hurt?

I don’t think so.  They mentioned someone going back to the locker room at one point, but he was on the bench and in the huddles at the end.

[gbear]

The Wizards showed not all 11 seconds are equal. If you are only going to have a lead for 11 seconds, make them the last 11 of the game.

[Destino]

4 minutes ago, Hersh said:

I wonder what kinda contract Harrell is looking for? He’s carried the wiz multiple times this season already. 

Him and Kuzma.  Tough choices ahead.  

[Renegade7]

14 minutes ago, Destino said:

In related news…

 

Yikes.

 

I dont get it, jus a little reading the rockets are saying they don't want to play him, get him hurt, and ruin his remaining trade value.  That they are moving in another direction and nothing he actually did wrong himself.  That really sucks, man.

[Renegade7]

18 minutes ago, Destino said:

Him and Kuzma.  Tough choices ahead.  

 

It might not be so bad, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

 

Harrell and Bryant are free agents at the same time, thats easy, let Bryant walk.  

 

A year later Kuzma and KCP are both free agents, I say let KCP walk and give some of the money to Kuzma.

 

The Bertans contract loons worse by the minute in context.

 

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/WAS.html

[ixcuincle]

 

 

Chase Hughes

 

@ChaseHughesNBCS

Kyle Kuzma said hecklers motivated him, that the ending was "their fault." He said it was Cavs fans had a sign that said "Without LeBron, Kuzma wouldn't have a ring." He told them: "Cleveland wouldn't be **** without LeBron."

10:16 PM · Nov 10, 2021

 

[Destino]

29 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

I dont get it, jus a little reading the rockets are saying they don't want to play him, get him hurt, and ruin his remaining trade value.  That they are moving in another direction and nothing he actually did wrong himself.  That really sucks, man.

I feel bad for him.  He’s stuck in limbo, and while he isn’t what he was, he’s too good to be out of basketball.  
 

I don’t feel too bad though, cause he’s getting paid crazy money.  His professional situation is bad right now, but he’s thriving,

[Ball Security]

3 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

 

 

Chase Hughes

 

@ChaseHughesNBCS

Kyle Kuzma said hecklers motivated him, that the ending was "their fault." He said it was Cavs fans had a sign that said "Without LeBron, Kuzma wouldn't have a ring." He told them: "Cleveland wouldn't be **** without LeBron."

10:16 PM · Nov 10, 2021

When Kuzma came over in the Westbrook trade, I was eager to flip him.  Thought this would be a big year for Rui and Kuzma would eat into his minutes.  I was wrong and I’ve done a 180 on him.  He put up some really bad shots mid game.  But he keeps shooting.  Like he said in the post game, he’s very confident and believes every shot will go in.  I’ve come around on him.   I believe his career can take off here.

[Hersh]

40 minutes ago, Destino said:

Him and Kuzma.  Tough choices ahead.  

 

Rui and Kuzma are up at the same time. Hopefully Shep moves one to get future/other assets cause unlikely to keep both. 

 

23 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

It might not be so bad, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

 

Harrell and Bryant are free agents at the same time, thats easy, let Bryant walk.  

 

A year later Kuzma and KCP are both free agents, I say let KCP walk and give some of the money to Kuzma.

 

The Bertans contract loons worse by the minute in context.

 

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/WAS.html

 

Bryant is interesting because he was putting it together offensively. He was terrible on defense but Harrell isn't great there either. He could be a lot less expensive to keep if he plays well when back than trying to keep Harrell. The latter is going to want to get paid and there might not be much of a market for Bryant. If money was no issue, Harrell over Bryant. Not sure the Wiz can afford that contract though. 

 

KCP should not be back next season. 

26 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

When Kuzma came over in the Westbrook trade, I was eager to flip him.  Thought this would be a big year for Rui and Kuzma would eat into his minutes.  I was wrong and I’ve done a 180 on him.  He put up some really bad shots mid game.  But he keeps shooting.  Like he said in the post game, he’s very confident and believes every shot will go in.  I’ve come around on him.   I believe his career can take off here.

 

You still might be right. No one could have seen what Rui is going through and he may come back and be better than Kuzma. Lots have players can look great for short stretches so it's tough to say for players that have been inconsistent. 

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

EXTENDED FAMILY

Wizards coach Wes Unseld Jr. and Cavaliers coach J.B. Bickerstaff grew up together as the sons of NBA royalty in Washington, D.C. Wes Unseld was a legendary player for the franchise, while J.B.’s father Bernie was a longtime coach with the Bullets/Wizards. “We would play around the Capital Centre locker room together,” Unseld said, chuckling. “Our family has been connected to his for decades.”

[Renegade7]

23 minutes ago, Hersh said:

 

Bryant is interesting because he was putting it together offensively. He was terrible on defense but Harrell isn't great there either. He could be a lot less expensive to keep if he plays well when back than trying to keep Harrell. The latter is going to want to get paid and there might not be much of a market for Bryant. If money was no issue, Harrell over Bryant. Not sure the Wiz can afford that contract though. 

 

 

A lot of factors, jus if I'm not mistaken we are trading for contract that he signed as a free agent when he joined the Lakers recently. Is he that much better now? He's coming off the bench.

 

I really like Bryant and his energy, but coming of an ACL, im not comfortable giving him another contract if he pushes to get paid, too.  If I have to pick one, Harrell is more likely to be worth their contract.

 

Bryant a lot of times looked straight lost on defense, im not expecting an Dani type leap in improvement after missing so much time and all of training camp.  Door is open to if he does, so maybe we do have to wait and see.  That knee still concerns me, high energy player, likely to reinjure it again.

[Hersh]

6 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

A lot of factors, jus if I'm not mistaken we are trading for contract that he signed as a free agent when he joined the Lakers recently. Is he that much better now? He's coming off the bench.

 

I really like Bryant and his energy, but coming of an ACL, im not comfortable giving him another contract if he pushes to get paid, too.  If I have to pick one, Harrell is more likely to be worth their contract.

 

Bryant a lot of times looked straight lost on defense, im not expecting an Dani type leap in improvement after missing so much time and all of training camp.  Door is open to if he does, so maybe we do have to wait and see.  That knee still concerns me, high energy player, likely to reinjure it again.

 

Good question. Depends if Harrell plays better overall defense. Given some of the contracts I see given out, which blow my mind, I suspect he will get more money this time. He hasn't had that really big contract by NBA standards so I'm sure he's hoping for that. 

 

Agree about Bryant. The only thought I have about him is that he would make for an interesting pairing with Gafford on the floor. Bryant is a legit stretch 5 and Gafford could play PF. Bryant came out on fire last season. Maybe a one year extension if he shows something later this season would make sense. 

 

 

[Destino]

Looking at the East, the Wizards are going to need all the help they can get.  East has more than eight good teams this year.  This is not the year to find yourself in the play in rounds.  Rui and Bryant won’t be idle.  

[MonkFan8]

What a great win. Just a well played game of basketball all around despite down games from Beal and Dinwiddie.

 

It's so refreshing to see so much ball movement and off the ball movement. That combined with guys like Harrel crashing the boards is a recipe for a good season. 

[86 Snyder]

When will you people realize John Wall sucks ass hahaha.

 

Anyway...as a longtime Wizards poop dumper, just gotta say, this is a different team.  They are playing with chemistry and greater than the sum of their parts.  I'm actually enjoying watching them play and inexplicably find myself rooting for them and interested in their fortunes.  

 

Good luck moving forward.  There might just be something happening here.

 

PS- the Wall->Westbrook->Kuzma, Harrell, KCP deals were fantastic.

[Destino]

Wizards are 6th in FT%.  Any of you that have watched this team for a while should appreciate that.  An unexpected bonus of all the roster changes.  If someone could teach Deni to hit a free throw, we’d be even better.  lol

[Renegade7]

33 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

When will you people realize John Wall sucks ass hahaha.

 

Whatever, troll, don't need your fake love here.

[86 Snyder]

2 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Whatever, troll, don't need your fake love here.

 

Lol, fine.  But he's been terrible for like 5 years.

[Destino]

Just watched Westbrook jack up a three on the final possession.  I don’t miss seeing that.  
 

We won that trade for sure.  

[Renegade7]

3 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

Lol, fine.  But he's been terrible for like 5 years.

 

He's been injured a lot lately  but when playing for Houston he was still averaging 20ppg. 

 

Thats not terrible, thats jus not max contract numbers.  Hell, his last year playing here he was averaging 20.7ppg and 8.7assists per game.

 

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

 

You're a hater, whatever your beef is, let it go.  Don't come in here bringing flowers you jus pissed on.

[86 Snyder]

Just now, Renegade7 said:

 

He's been injured a lot lately  but when playing for Houston he was still averaging 20ppg. 

 

Thats not terrible, thats jus not max contract numbers.  Hell, his last year playing here he was averaging 20.7ppg and 8.7assists per game.

 

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

 

You're a hater, whatever your beef is, let it go.  Don't come in here bringing flowers you jus pissed on.

 

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

Bro

 

Its all context when it comes to the NBA. You think its a *conspiracy* nobody wants him?

 

Anybody who monopolizes the ball and takes enough shots can average 20 in this league.  The question is whether its effiecient and conducive to winning the game...at the salary cap dollars dedicated to that same player.  John Wall is negative EV and has been for 5 years and yes injuries count.  He's Derrick Rose without the 2nd chapter.

 

Sorry if you have some kind of problem accepting this.  I'm just telling the truth.  Whatever your attachment is, you should let go of those first couple years.  Its as gone as RG3.

 

But I genuinely do wish the Wizards well this year.  Its a much much better team.

[Ball Security]

2 hours ago, ixcuincle said:

 

 

Chase Hughes

 

@ChaseHughesNBCS

Kyle Kuzma said hecklers motivated him, that the ending was "their fault." He said it was Cavs fans had a sign that said "Without LeBron, Kuzma wouldn't have a ring." He told them: "Cleveland wouldn't be **** without LeBron."

10:16 PM · Nov 10, 2021

 

Beal’s body language was so bad tonight.  You knew something was up with him.  That’s sad.  Nice to see his teammates pick him up.

[Renegade7]

9 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

Bro

 

Its all context when it comes to the NBA. You think its a *conspiracy* nobody wants him?

 

I dont, no one wants that contract and thats fair.

 

9 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

Anybody who monopolizes the ball and takes enough shots can average 20 in this league.  The question is whether its effiecient and conducive to winning the game...at the salary cap dollars dedicated to that same player.  John Wall is negative EV and has been for 5 years and yes injuries count.  He's Derrick Rose without the 2nd chapter.

 

We were winning when he was healthy, and as our PG and typically 2nd best scorer, thats not shocking for him to have the ball a lot.  He was the #1 pick, the team was built around him and his skillset, Beal just finally got to the playoffs without him last year.

 

Whats happening to him in Houston doesn't make sense, how can he have a Rose type comeback if Houston doesn't want him to play?

 

9 minutes ago, 86 Snyder said:

Sorry if you have some kind of problem accepting this.  I'm just telling the truth.  Whatever your attachment is, you should let go of those first couple years.  Its as gone as RG3.

 

But I genuinely do wish the Wizards well this year.  Its a much much better team.

 

Nah, im past the acceptance stage of grief on the Wall era.  That doesn't mean I have to say nothing when you start with trashing a fan favorite and claim to come in peace. I'm hoping for the best for him, however it plays out.

[@DCGoldPants]

I've made fun of how Ted has run this team for years. But damn if they aren't at least easier to watch right now. Guys mostly on the same page. When it looked like an L last night, they were still grinding and nothing was out of hand. 

 

I was thinking that maybe a big part was that when you add 3 guys from outside the org and the mess of previous years, they weren't tainted by that stuff. 

 

Condolences to the Beal fam.

[bearrock]

7 hours ago, 86 Snyder said:

 

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

Bro

 

Its all context when it comes to the NBA. You think its a *conspiracy* nobody wants him?

 

Anybody who monopolizes the ball and takes enough shots can average 20 in this league.  The question is whether its effiecient and conducive to winning the game...at the salary cap dollars dedicated to that same player.  John Wall is negative EV and has been for 5 years and yes injuries count.  He's Derrick Rose without the 2nd chapter.

 

Sorry if you have some kind of problem accepting this.  I'm just telling the truth.  Whatever your attachment is, you should let go of those first couple years.  Its as gone as RG3.

 

But I genuinely do wish the Wizards well this year.  Its a much much better team.

 

Like you said, it's all about context.  John Wall as a max contract is a terrible roster spot.  John Wall as a vet minimum would be an incredible addition.  No one wants his contract.  That's not the same as him being a terrible player.

 

@Renegade7 said pretty much the same thing and said nothing about some stupid conspiracy by the teams to stop him from playing.  Stop creating strawmen to shadowbox with.