MonkFan8 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 i don't understand why you all keep getting pissed off, you knew the Wizards were still gonna suck this year? If im in Wall's position why try hard when that could lead u further away from a top player in the draft?We need a SF, I really do prefer Barnes over MKG, because of his outside game, and he has loads of potential, but either will do. Wall Crawford Barnes/MKG Booker/Vesely (I guess) Nene/Seraphin Would be a nice team, and be smart with the 2 2nd rounders Agreed. Barring something ridiculous happening I think we're going to draft ANOTHER wing player. As much as I love Thomas Robinson, and wouldn't scoff at drafting him, it looks like both Booker and Seraphin can man the 4 fairly respectably with our biggest deficiency being at the 3.I'd personally go with MKG if the draft were right now, but that might mean another year of being pretty bad since he's not quite a finished product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I see Kidd-Gilchrist play and I see a strong player with ridiculous ups and tremendous slashing ability. I see Barnes and I see a good shooter who goes cold frequently and isn't as strong. I'd take MKG in an instant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Needs: SG - Crawford is a combo guard "gunner". His value is burst scoring and versatility. We could use a true shooting guard, larger would be best. SF - Offense from this position would be nice. Singleton 3 & D will improve not sure Vesely fits here. PF - Booker is an average starter and seriously undersized, as a back up he's gold. Seraphin doesn't have the quicks or game for this position yet, he'd be an ideal body here. Vesely is not strong enough yet. A starter that rebounds at 10 per game or more would be great. Not sure Mack is all that needed. I'd like to see Wall, Crawford, and a starting true SG in a three guard rotation. Nene and Seraphin have the center position locked up I don't see us adding anything there other than perhaps another body to throw in on occasion. Wall has to learn to shoot. It's strange to stockpile shooters around your smallest player. Dwight Howard sure, John Wall no. His one trick offense kills our half court set and floor spacing. Shooting at traditional spots would be nice however, SF and SG. I think Austin Rivers is a better scoring option than Beal as a prospect. He has ISO ability and that's NBA gold. SF you have opposites, MKG that has a killer instinct and thrives on physical rim attacks and Barnes a soft shooter. Pick your poison. The best players are at PF/C TRob, Davis, and Sullinger are all rebounders with good aspects on offense. Drummond is a project that could turn into the best player in this draft. Personally I'd like Davis, TRob, MKG, and Rivers in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Agreed. Barring something ridiculous happening I think we're going to draft ANOTHER wing player. As much as I love Thomas Robinson, and wouldn't scoff at drafting him, it looks like both Booker and Seraphin can man the 4 fairly respectably with our biggest deficiency being at the 3.I'd personally go with MKG if the draft were right now, but that might mean another year of being pretty bad since he's not quite a finished product. MKG's intangible superiority to Barnes is tremendous. MKG is a much, much better prospect than Barnes. ---------- Post added April-5th-2012 at 07:11 AM ---------- Personally I'd like Davis, TRob, MKG, and Rivers in that order. I can feel that, but I'm still torn between TRob or MKG at the 2 spot. I think Beal has better defensive potential than Rivers, and is much stronger and clearly a better rebounder. But he's nowhere near as good a scorer plain and simple. I'd take the scoring. An added bonus for Rivers is that he seems to be undervalued right now. I pretty much don't want Barnes at this point and would be disappointed with him. I'd rather just take Sully or Rivers in all instances, who I have a hard time believing won't be available when we pick. But I think the only pick that would make an immediate difference is Davis. We are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and bottom 5 in OPP PPG. Davis would be a culture changer. We need him bad. You know what's funny. I think some time in October of last year, waaaaaaay early in this thread I had this grand plan for us that we'd take Harrison Barnes in last year's draft and MKG in this year's draft. Interesting how safe an assumption it was that we would be horrible and picking so high both years. Also interesting how I ended up being right about MKG's value so far in advance, but so wrong about Barnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) Washington just needs to draft someone with a high motor...PERIOD. This is why I really hope that we land 1 of these 4 players (Davis, MKG, Beal, or Robinson). This team should have NOTHING to do with Jared Sullinger. Too many questions about his conditioning, motor, and ability to have his game translate to the next level. I saw Chad Ford had him currently #11 on his big board, but said that he could potentially slip further due to how scouts view his upside. At best, a Paul Milsap type of pro...or you could be getting a Glen Davis clone. *In regards to the MKG/Barnes debate...yes, Barnes is the superior shooter...but MKG does just about EVERYTHING else better. More specifically, defense. Outside of Thomas Robinson, he's one of the most relentless players (on both ends of the court) in college basketball. If his shot isn't falling, he's not going to be a player who you don't notice doing anything else. He'll FIND a way to contribute. Dude really goes 110% everytime he's on the floor. He's exactly the type of SF we need. He reminds me of both Gerald Wallace and Iggy. Edited April 5, 2012 by RonArtest15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I think we need to focus on fixing our defense. The offensive skills will come in time to many of our young players, including Wall. The Bulls made their leap after they very suddenly became the premier defensive team in the league. Fix the defense and we'll start winning games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I think we need to focus on fixing our defense. The offensive skills will come in time to many of our young players, including Wall. The Bulls made their leap after they very suddenly became the premier defensive team in the league. Fix the defense and we'll start winning games. Agreed, which is why I think it's important that if we don't land Davis, (and if we get the #2) MKG should be the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It's kind of baffling to me how we can have a team full of guys who are supposed to be high upside defenders and/or complete defensive specialists... and still be one of the worst defenses in the league. ---------- Post added April-5th-2012 at 08:53 AM ---------- Agreed, which is why I think it's important that if we don't land Davis, (and if we get the #2) MKG should be the pick. I can definitely get behind that, and ultimately, that's why I would probably take MKG over TRob. I also think MKG has some serious down the road potential as a slashing scorer once his handles get better. He's got the mentality and strength for it. But I think for us to see a real difference, we need a culture change in the FO. I would love to get a GM from the San Antonio organization. Then get a defensive minded coach to come in and whip our sorry asses into shape like Thibs did in Chicago. ---------- Post added April-5th-2012 at 08:57 AM ---------- There is no question in my mind that MKG is a far superior player and prospect to Barnes. It's so simple. Take the champion over the underachiever. No need to over think it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It's kind of baffling to me how we can have a team full of guys who are supposed to be high upside defenders and/or complete defensive specialists... and still be one of the worst defenses in the league.---------- Post added April-5th-2012 at 08:53 AM ---------- I can definitely get behind that, and ultimately, that's why I would probably take MKG over TRob. I also think MKG has some serious down the road potential as a slashing scorer once his handles get better. He's got the mentality and strength for it. But I think for us to see a real difference, we need a culture change in the FO. I would love to get a GM from the San Antonio organization. Then get a defensive minded coach to come in and whip our sorry asses into shape like Thibs did in Chicago. Agreed (again), which is why I don't understand the Mike D'Antoni rumors. I hope that there is a COMPLETE overhaul in the FO. EG has to go. Like Jason Reid said a few weeks ago....folks are praising EG for getting rid of guys like Nick Young and McGee, but he's basically cleaning up his own mess which in turn set the team back. If possible, I'd love to get Kevin Pritchard from the Pacers. Even though he'd be a re-tread, if Scott Skiles became available, would he be a good choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 No to Scott Skiles. If we're going the hard ass route, I'd like Nate McMillan. But if Ernie stays, I'm almost 100% sure Mike D'Antoni is the guy. I've been wondering if Wall's struggles have to do with Crawford. Crawford has played really well but he's a ball dominant player. Wall can't play off the ball and needs to constantly have it in his hands to stay in the flow. He could do that with Young who was a pretty good off ball SG. He can't do it with Crawford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 If Wall is the guy we sink or swim with we have to surround him with pieces that fit his game. Barnes fits very good shooter who can finish on the break,rebounds and plays good defense. He is a guy who won't dominate the ball or try to play 1 on 1. Sully also would be a big boost in the halfcourt and especially in the pick&roll where he excels. I love Mkg but its not the best fit with Wall. I would take him 2nd if i had to pick. I'm trading back if i dont get #1. Target guys like Barnes,Sully,Beal,Lamb and Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 If Wall is the guy we sink or swim with we have to surround him with pieces that fit his game. Barnes fits very good shooter who can finish on the break,rebounds and plays good defense. He is a guy who won't dominate the ball or try to play 1 on 1. Sully also would be a big boost in the halfcourt and especially in the pick&roll where he excels.I love Mkg but its not the best fit with Wall. I would take him 2nd if i had to pick. I'm trading back if i dont get #1. Target guys like Barnes,Sully,Beal,Lamb and Rivers. The thing is, EG (or whoever the GM is at the time) HAS to hit a homerun with the draft pick. Outside of Beal, I don't see any of the guys you named being worthy of a top 4/5 selection OR making that big of a difference. This is arguably the most important offseason in the Wall era. Next year there has to be a significant improvement in wins. We've been mediocre for too long and that trend has to stop. I'll honestly be disappointed with anything less than 35 wins next year. For the sake of the franchise, I hope they secure a top3 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 The thing is, EG (or whoever the GM is at the time) HAS to hit a homerun with the draft pick. Outside of Beal, I don't see any of the guys you named being worthy of a top 4/5 selection OR making that big of a difference. This is arguably the most important offseason in the Wall era. Next year there has to be a significant improvement in wins. We've been mediocre for too long and that trend has to stop. I'll honestly be disappointed with anything less than 35 wins next year. For the sake of the franchise, I hope they secure a top3 pick. I'm talking trading back into the 7-13 range alot of teams have multiple first rounders. You can also aquire a good vet in a trade down and/or get rid of a contract. I think alot of people value athletism over actual ability to play the game. Sully is gonna make alot of people feel stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 If Wall is the guy we sink or swim with we have to surround him with pieces that fit his game. Barnes fits very good shooter who can finish on the break,rebounds and plays good defense. He is a guy who won't dominate the ball or try to play 1 on 1. Sully also would be a big boost in the halfcourt and especially in the pick&roll where he excels.I love Mkg but its not the best fit with Wall. I would take him 2nd if i had to pick. I'm trading back if i dont get #1. Target guys like Barnes,Sully,Beal,Lamb and Rivers. I don't understand why we as fans are so bent on making Wall seem like this Derrick Rose like franchise cornerstone. He's not that player. He's not a go to scorer and probably never will be. Making Wall look like a star should not be our first consideration. Winning championships should be. MKG is a champion. He's a winner and a stud. Barnes is an underachiever with a passive demeanor on the court and is not nearly as basketball savvy as he gets credit for. MKG is just a much, much better player than Barnes. Why settle for trading down for Barnes over MKG? This isn't the NFL draft. Quality is far more important than quantity. If Wall doesn't like playing alongside a player like MKG, tough ****. If he wants to be the cornerstone and go to scorer and central star that everything is built upon, then he should have played like it and actually led us too some wins. Besides, I have a hard time believing MKG couldn't fit well with ANYONE on a basketball court. He's so multi-talented and the kid just gets it. I bet if you asked Wall, he'd say he would much rather play with him than Barnes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I think we need to focus on fixing our defense. The offensive skills will come in time to many of our young players, including Wall. The Bulls made their leap after they very suddenly became the premier defensive team in the league. Fix the defense and we'll start winning games. This team isn't built to be a great defensive team. We have no executives and coaches to say "play defense or don't play" and as long as that's the case defense will remain inconsistent and mostly bad. It's an effort issue both on and off the court. You have to know what your opponent wants to do and work to deny them that, the wizards were watching NCAA games pre-game. If we get that style of management it's hard to predict what drama it might create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 This team isn't built to be a great defensive team. We have no executives and coaches to say "play defense or don't play" and as long as that's the case defense will remain inconsistent and mostly bad. It's an effort issue both on and off the court. You have to know what your opponent wants to do and work to deny them that, the wizards were watching NCAA games pre-game. If we get that style of management it's hard to predict what drama it might create. But it's absolutely necessary. We can't settle for a lack of effort and mediocrity any longer. Ted needs to step in and demand better. Grunfeld and his staff need to be replaced by a Presti like protoge of an organization with a commitment to excellence (and a realistic plan to achieve it). And then the coach must be excellent. God, if only we could get a legit coach to come here and start turning us around. We have decent pieces and they're young. But we need a mighty culture change. ---------- Post added April-5th-2012 at 12:41 PM ---------- If we got a real, championship caliber FO and coach and drafted Davis, I think we could start to turn this thing around next year. We could be in the playoffs with a quality team in two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Watch us end up with the 6th pick in the draft....again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Watch us end up with the 6th pick in the draft....again. Calbert Cheaney!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBash Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 If we get the 6th pick, we'll probably grab Vernok Gallengrias the 6'11 210 F/C out of Europe with the high upside, but very raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I don't understand why we as fans are so bent on making Wall seem like this Derrick Rose like franchise cornerstone.He's not that player. He's not a go to scorer and probably never will be. Making Wall look like a star should not be our first consideration. Winning championships should be. MKG is a champion. He's a winner and a stud. Barnes is an underachiever with a passive demeanor on the court and is not nearly as basketball savvy as he gets credit for. MKG is just a much, much better player than Barnes. Why settle for trading down for Barnes over MKG? This isn't the NFL draft. Quality is far more important than quantity. If Wall doesn't like playing alongside a player like MKG, tough ****. If he wants to be the cornerstone and go to scorer and central star that everything is built upon, then he should have played like it and actually led us too some wins. Besides, I have a hard time believing MKG couldn't fit well with ANYONE on a basketball court. He's so multi-talented and the kid just gets it. I bet if you asked Wall, he'd say he would much rather play with him than Barnes. Your missing the point Steve i'm a huge Mkg fan but he is'nt a great fit withour current roster. And after Davis there is'nt a huge difference in prospects. We neeed players that compliment what Wall does well or trade him period. Mkg will never be a alpha player or a big scorer. He is more of a loul deng type of glue player that can do everything but not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Your missing the point Steve i'm a huge Mkg fan but he is'nt a great fit withour current roster. And after Davis there is'nt a huge difference in prospects. We neeed players that compliment what Wall does well or trade him period. Mkg will never be a alpha player or a big scorer. He is more of a loul deng type of glue player that can do everything but not great. The team has to build on the assumption that Wall is going to improve. If he can't shoot or operate a half court offense effectively next season then we have a major problem. One that would be compounded by drafting lesser players in hope that they are a better fit. Having said that I'd rather have a player drafted at PF than anything else. We need a big time rebounder on this team. SF is already loaded with youth, adding a rookie there would just prolong the madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 The team has to build on the assumption that Wall is going to improve. If he can't shoot or operate a half court offense effectively next season then we have a major problem. One that would be compounded by drafting lesser players in hope that they are a better fit. Having said that I'd rather have a player drafted at PF than anything else. We need a big time rebounder on this team. SF is already loaded with youth, adding a rookie there would just prolong the madness. I agree but Wall sucks off the ball period. He needs the ball to impact the game even if his shooting improves that fact will never change. For him to develop we need spacing from shooters and a heavy high screen&roll game. We need to aquire guys that give him the best chance to reach his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Watch us end up with the 6th pick in the draft....again. Can't happen unless we end up third worst. At this rate, we're guaranteed a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Can't happen unless we end up third worst. At this rate, we're guaranteed a top 5 pick. Exactly my point. Knowing us, we're going to pass NO and wind up the 3rd worse team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Your missing the point Steve i'm a huge Mkg fan but he is'nt a great fit withour current roster. And after Davis there is'nt a huge difference in prospects. We neeed players that compliment what Wall does well or trade him period. Mkg will never be a alpha player or a big scorer. He is more of a loul deng type of glue player that can do everything but not great. No the point is not to construct the best offense built around getting Wall 20+ PPG but to construct the best team. For us to do that, we just need to take the best players. Wall can and will adjust and be happy so long as we finally start to win. ---------- Post added April-5th-2012 at 03:08 PM ---------- Wall has already proven that he can not lead us to wins shouldering the load on his own as the cornerstone of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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