Going Commando Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Would you all trade Beal for Jimmy Butler, and/or Otto for Paul George? Straight up 1:1 deals. I honestly don't think I would at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Age probably stops me with Jimmy Butler. Perhaps if we were a better defensive guard away from being title threats, but I go with Beal mainly because of age at this point. I still ship Otto for Paul George. The fact that I even think about it is testament enough to how I feel about Otto. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 33 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Would you all trade Beal for Jimmy Butler, and/or Otto for Paul George? Straight up 1:1 deals. I honestly don't think I would at this point. I would let Otto go for George real real fast but B3al is not going anyplace If its not for King James himself at this point. Though I realize we will lose alot that doesn't show up on the stat sheet with Otto. 5 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: The fact that I even think about it is testament enough to how I feel about Otto. Exactly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Before this season started, I didn't think the Wall/Beal era had any reasonable path to a Championship. But now, I think we just have to keep trying with the draft. We have three core pieces who are just so young. We just need to hit lucky with a late round pick to move into the top echelon. I think once the Wittman stink wears off, people will realize again that playing with Wall adds value to their career and DC can become an attractive destination for older vets. LeBron will fade within the next 5 years. GSW can't keep their 4 together forever due to finances. In five years, Wall is still 31, Beal and Otto are 28. If we can hit on a mid to late round pick a few times during that period, I think we move to that top tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Depends. Im not quite sure PG13 will get dirty for some rebounds when the going gets tough. Nor do I think he would be ok playing 3rd fiddle to John and Brad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taylor703 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Would you all trade Beal for Jimmy Butler, and/or Otto for Paul George? Straight up 1:1 deals. I honestly don't think I would at this point. No. Call it familiarity or whatever but I want to keep our core guys. I think we're on the cusp of something great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I wouldn't make either trades... Forget skill wise, I just don't want to mess up this chemistry. Which Taylor already alluded to... 4 minutes ago, Taylor703 said: No. Call it familiarity or whatever but I want to keep our core guys. I think we're on the cusp of something great. Also, Otto is my man. Loved him at Georgetown, love him either more. I'm also loving Jason Smith too. I'll admit, until I started watching in December, I didn't even know he was on the team... All I know is for like a stretch of four games I think, he had the mean putback dunks. His mid-range J is cool too. I wish we had somebody better to come off the bench with him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 It's a good thing you didn't start watching Jason Smith until December MLSKINS. Because he was hot garbage in November. Responsible for some of the worst basketball I've ever seen played. I think he had like a -7 PER at one point. I didn't even know it was possible to get one that low. The problem for him is he goes hard he is not smooth. So when he's bad, he's embarrassingly bad. Like run so hard on a close out you trip over your feet and go sliding into your bench like a bowling ball. He's popped up on Shaqtin a Fool a couple times this season as a result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhead36 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Would you all trade Beal for Jimmy Butler, and/or Otto for Paul George? Straight up 1:1 deals. I honestly don't think I would at this point. No way do I trade Beal for Butler. Personally I think Butler is kinda overrated. Porter for George I have to think about. I love Porter(always have)but man George is a legit superstar and a Wall/Beal/George trio could contend in a year or two once Lebron hits the decline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 It says how far we come that there is even hesitation about whether or not it'd be smart to deal Beal for Butler or Porter for George. I really don't think I'd trade Beal for Butler. And I go back and forth about George and Otto. George is not as good as I thought he was, and I don't know just how good Otto can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticVillain Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: The problem for him is he goes hard he is not smooth. So when he's bad, he's embarrassingly bad. Like run so hard on a close out you trip over your feet and go sliding into your bench like a bowling ball. That was hilarious. Otto is just a ball player man. He plays like those old heads at the Rec, but he's just crazy long and athletic. I just can't see myself being okay with getting rid of a player like that so young, without a major upgrade... I definitely feel like Butler is overrated too. I don't think there's any point in time that I would have made that trade to be honest with you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 So Miami is now 2.5 games out of the 8 seed. If (probably when rather than if) they get in, how good are they? Could they knock out a high seed early? Like us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) this is not sustainable if no bench help, we have to rest players and sacrifice playoff seeding for energized bodies Edited February 9, 2017 by StillUnknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Look at the Spurs. Great record and no one player has to play a lot. What an enviable situation to be in. Can't blame Coach Brooks though. The bench is terrible and you gotta do what you gotta do to win the games you play and worry about the future in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOSKINS_08 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I heard Scott Brooks on the junkies this morning and they asked him about the minutes problem. He said basically that he's fine with Wall being at around 36 mins and game and Beal around 34. He also said he might have to adjust how and when he subs them out in games. Saying that he cuts their practice time in half basically so it's not as much wear and tear as it looks like with them playing a lot of minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 7 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Would you all trade Beal for Jimmy Butler, and/or Otto for Paul George? Straight up 1:1 deals. I honestly don't think I would at this point. Beal for Butler, no. Otto for Paul George, yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Beal no. If you wouldn't trade Porter for George straight up, you gotta real think Porter evolves into a 20 ppg player. George can fill the bucket and is an All-NBA defender. He's also only 26. BUT, I think he's taken a step back from pre-injury. Edited February 9, 2017 by Sticksboi05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'emAlive Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheItalianStallion said: So Miami is now 2.5 games out of the 8 seed. If (probably when rather than if) they get in, how good are they? Could they knock out a high seed early? Like us? If we have Mahinmi to check Whiteside, I won't sweat it. But if not, Marcin routinely gets mopped by this dude, and Dragic has always killed this team. It might be close. Edited February 9, 2017 by Skin'emAlive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Otto for PG? I'd make that trade even if we had to throw in two first round picks. Wall and two star level scoring threats in their primes? Sign me up! I wouldnt trade Beal for Butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StillUnknown Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Skin'emAlive said: If we have Mahinmi to check Whiteside, I won't sweat it. But if not, Marcin routinely gets mopped by this dude, and Dragic has always killed this team. It might be close. Brook Lopez was eating his food last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sticksboi05 said: Beal no. If you wouldn't trade Porter for George straight up, you gotta real think Porter evolves into a 20 ppg player. George can fill the bucket and is an All-NBA defender. He's also only 26. BUT, I think he's taken a step back from pre-injury. Otto has been better than Paul George this season: http://bkref.com/tiny/HMFOj https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/5 PG scores more than him, has a slightly higher PER (19.2 to 17.9), gets more assists, and gets to the FT line more and shoots better from the stripe. But Otto beats him everywhere else. He shoots way way better from the floor and the three point line and he outrebounds him and turns it over far less. His ORtg crushes his, as do his TS% and eFG%. His ws/48 is better and he already has 3 more win shares on the year, and his VORP is a good deal higher too. And his DRtg and DRPM are actually both better than George's. His overall RPM is better too. Plus George is three years older, has a serious leg injury in his history, and is set to his unrestricted free agency after next season, so he'd presumably end up costing like 7 million more dollars per year and for three more years--if he didn't leave. I don't think it's crazy to argue that Otto fits our team better than Paul George would, and that we're better off having him instead. Edited February 10, 2017 by stevemcqueen1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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