Madison Redskin Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 If they were morally bankrupt or terrorists, they would have come in guns blazing, which isnt the case, or just blown up the ship like north korea did. You dont use logic to draw your conclusion, your biasness clouds your judgement. You don't have any "biasness?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs4Life Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 How many Israeli commandos died? If the answer is zero, then its obvious that they overreacted. How about using pepper spray or something? That statement obviously shows that you havent watched the video. if you did you would have seen the palestains jump them as soon as they touched down, beating him and attacking him with weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Commandos boarding a ship with paintballs? :ols: :ols: Next people will tell me that Jim Zorn's offense scored more then 6 points against the Cowgirls in 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 A person using a crowbar as a weapon doesn't have to be killed. How about shooting in the legs, for example. Or how about pepper spray? The commandos went for the kill, which is overdoing it. Do you really think it's that easy? That simple? Wow. If a mob of people are charging you, you think you have that kind of luxury? I think you have watched far too many movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 That statement obviously shows that you havent watched the video. if you did you would have seen the palestains jump them as soon as they touched down, beating him and attacking him with weapons. Israeli commandos suffered moderate to light injuries. Nothing serious happened to them. Also, the video you're talking about was provided by Israel. God knows what they edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Commandos boarding a ship with paintballs? :ols: :ols: Yeah, that seems a little incredible to me too. I don't know that I buy that. Still, I don't buy that if they felt threatened enough to shoot that they should go for the big toes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 That statement obviously shows that you havent watched the video. if you did you would have seen the palestains jump them as soon as they touched down, beating him and attacking him with weapons. First of all, were they Palestinians? 2nd The ship was in international waters outside of Israel's authority to blockade, exactly at what point do the people on the ship have the right to self defense from piracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Do you really think it's that easy? That simple? Wow.If a mob of people are charging you, you think you have that kind of luxury? I think you have watched far too many movies. When you are invading a ship like common pirates, you should expect to be resisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Do you really think it's that easy? That simple? Wow.If a mob of people are charging you, you think you have that kind of luxury? I think you have watched far too many movies. If Israeli commandos are supposed to be the best in the world, they should be able to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Yeah, that seems a little incredible to me too. I don't know that I buy that. Still, I don't buy that if they felt threatened enough to shoot that they should go for the big toes. I agree. I don't think anyone in this thread has been a situation where they felt threatened by a mob. I honestly have no clue how I'd react. I do know that the survival instinct, better them then me, would kick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs4Life Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 A person using a crowbar as a weapon doesn't have to be killed. How about shooting in the legs, for example. Or how about pepper spray? The commandos went for the kill, which is overdoing it. If you read the article, they didnt authorize use of deadly force until, the palestinians started to take there guns from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 When you are invading a ship like common pirates, you should expect to be resisted. If Israeli commandos are supposed to be the best in the world, they should be able to do it. These are your best answers? One expects Israel to not enforce its blockade and the other expects the commandos to be the Lone Ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 I don't think anyone in this thread has been a situation where they felt threatened by a mob. I honestly have no clue how I'd react. I do know that the survival instinct, better them then me, would kick in. In a thread that touts the superiority of Israeli commandos we also have some who want to compare those commandos to average joes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 If you read the article, they didnt authorize use of deadly force until, the palestinians started to take there guns from them. So you're telling me that Israeli soldiers weren't carrying paintball guns only. That's not how Israel portrayed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 These are your best answers? One expects Israel to not enforce its blockade and the other expects the commandos to be the Lone Ranger. 2 werds International Waters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 These are your best answers? One expects Israel to not enforce its blockade and the other expects the commandos to be the Lone Ranger. If Israeli soldiers were in such a life-threatening situation, then how come not even one commando died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs4Life Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Israeli commandos suffered moderate to light injuries. Nothing serious happened to them. Also, the video you're talking about was provided by Israel. God knows what they edited. Reports said they were being beat and stabbed, maybe thats light injuries on the mean streets of chantilly va. lol, but israel doesnt mess around, with weather or not people think they over-reacted, if they fear for there life they will put you down. End of story. I wish liberals in america protected its citizens like israel does theres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Reports said they were being beat and stabbed, maybe thats light injuries on the mean streets of chantilly va. lol, but israel doesnt mess around, with weather or not people think they over-reacted, if they fear for there life they will put you down. End of story. I wish liberals in america protected its citizens like israel does theres. Yet, none of them died. All deaths were from the activist side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs4Life Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 First of all, were they Palestinians?2nd The ship was in international waters outside of Israel's authority to blockade, exactly at what point do the people on the ship have the right to self defense from piracy? Honostly im not sure about that. It sounds like it was multitude of people, some from turkey some palestine i believe, and some from europe it sounded like and al jazeera. Thats why i have said im not sure israel is in the right here, im just defending that they were attacked first. Personally i think the whole damn area is crazy. Theres no winners here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHOPSkins Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Further: Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/116743-2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 2 werdsInternational Waters Your Freudian slip betrays you. Honestly, I am ill at ease defending this, but I can understand the mentality behind it. I think Israel fell into someone's trap. Worse, people died probably unnecessarily. I do believe that you are attacked that you defend yourself. That the soldiers protected themselves when threatened isn't the sin here. The problem is that there are too many sins to count. If you want to count how many people have blood on their hands, look at everyone involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Thats why i have said im not sure israel is in the right here, im just defending that they were attacked first. Personally i think the whole damn area is crazy. Theres no winners here. The question is how can you defend that they were attacked first when they illegally boarded a sovereign vessel in international waters beyond the authority of the blockade? At what point is Israel the aggressor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Further:Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/116743-2.html This isn't looking very good. Something tells me stocks are tanking tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 Your Freudian slip betrays you. I guess I don't see it. :whoknows: Honestly, I am ill at ease defending this, but I can understand the mentality behind it. I think Israel fell into someone's trap. Worse, people died probably unnecessarily. Agreed Israel played into their hands...and yes people died unnecessarily. I do believe that you are attacked that you defend yourself. That the soldiers protected themselves when threatened isn't the sin here. I'm not sure if you're defending Israel here or those on the ship. The problem is that there are too many sins to count. If you want to count how many people have blood on their hands, look at everyone involved. Agreed, but it has yet to be established that the people on the ship were guilty of anything prior to being boarded illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 This isn't looking very good. Something tells me stocks are tanking tomorrow. Oh good I haven't seen McD5 in a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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