Movie reveals source of childhood night terrors?

[Teller]

So was the movie any good?

Good luck HH hope you get it figured out

IMO, it was fantastic. I read a lot of reviews from people that didn't care for it, but it frankly scared the **** out of me, which is VERY rare for a movie. That may have a good bit to do with the connections to personal experience, but I thought it was great.

Very tense, suspenseful, and I absolutely loved the way it was shot. It's done as a re-enactment with "real" footage of the events spliced in throughout.

[Teller]

As promised - my story.

Thanks a lot for sharing that, MM. I think your story sounds even more frightening than mine. Wow.

[China]

but also the faintest smell of death (very, very faint in the context of the rest of the smell.) Um, that doesn't really describe it either.

What does death smell like?

[Teller]

What does death smell like?

That's one you have to experience, China. And once you have, you'll never forget it. (Though I described it inaccurately, I guess. It didn't smell like "death" as a thing. It had just the slightest, I mean VERY minute smell of a dead body mixed in with the salt-water smell.)

This still isn't an accurate description of it, but it's as close as I can get. I'll think about it some more, and see if I can describe it better.

And for the record, I assigned the "death" smell after the fact. I didn't know what a dead body smelled like at the time.

[Zguy28]

I would like to know if Mike believes that sleep paralysis is the explanation for all "alien abductions" that people say they experience?

[jnhay]

That's some scary ****. I will be so pissed if I start having these types of dreams now because of reading this.

[Teller]

I would like to know if Mike believes that sleep paralysis is the explanation for all "alien abductions" that people say they experience?

I don't think there's any intent, on either side, to criticize or dismiss each other's opinion, Z. I really don't. And I fully admit, I'm one of those people who generally needs concrete proof to believe in something paranormal.

It's dumb, I know, but seeing this movie was the trigger that got me wondering if something more than sleep paralysis was going on there. That's an irrational thought, really, given that the movie was nearly 100% fictional.

I do think that a lot of people who claim abduction do so to get their 15 minutes of fame. But I also think it's entirely possible, given the limitlessness of the universe, the potential for trillions of "earths" out there, the potential for lifeforms that can exist in places we can't, and the sure and certain hope that we're NOT the most intelligent life forms out there, that some abductions COULD be real.

I am a firm believer in ghosts. But that comes from personal experience.

[dfitzo53]

I can recall having the paralysis happen once or twice. The only thing I was terrified of was the fact that I absolutely could not move. I don't think I had any of the associated hallucinations, I have to believe I'd remember those.

Either way Hog, I would see a medical professional about it. Some kind of sleep specialist or neurologist. I'm a little bit surprised the psychologists you saw apparently didn't point you in that direction.

I wish you the best man.

[Teller]

Either way Hog, I would see a medical professional about it. Some kind of sleep specialist or neurologist. I'm a little bit surprised the psychologists you saw apparently didn't point you in that direction.

I wish you the best man.

Thanks, man. Fortunately it's stopped. I don't think it ever happened once I past 13 or 14 years old. It probably started when I was 7 or 8.

I still would like to pursue it a little bit, and get a be-all to end-all explanation, but how possible that is, I really don't know.

[thecardiacrll]

Wow the sleep paralysis thing has happened to me a few times and scared the crap out of me. I have never hulucinated or seen scary images when it has happened. When it happens it feels like my brain is awake and I can here and see everything around me like if I slept with the tv on I here it and I try to move and cant and i try to open my eyes and cant. It usually lasts about a minute and then i wake up its one of the most freaky things thats ever happened to me and its happened like three times. It always has made me wonder if thats what happens if your in a coma because if thats what it feels like then I want the plug pulled on me because its the worse feeling in the world like i wake up in a panic attack state.

[Mad Mike]

I would like to know if Mike believes that sleep paralysis is the explanation for all "alien abductions" that people say they experience?

If you are asking if I believe in alien abductions, no I do not. But there are probably a variety of explanations from good old fashioned BS stories to sleep paralysis and any number of other things.

[Corcaigh]

And as ol' Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". I've yet to see evidence that suggests alien abductions is an "explanation" for anything.

[PokerPacker]

I think sleep paralysis is part of the equation, but probably not the whole thing. I, myself, have experienced sleep paralysis on two separate occasions. Fortunately, I was already familiar with the concept of it, so I was able to rationalize what was going on. Regardless, the first time it was a freaky experience.

Shadows and other things in the room often "become" other things while in this state. For me, the over-sized bookshelf in my room looked kinda like a gigantic mainframe of some sort. Anyways, I said to myself "no sleep paralysis is gonna keep ME from moving when I want to" so I tried as hard as I could to sit up. not only did I not move, but I became quite disoriented and it felt like someone had grabbed me by the foot and was yanking me from the foot of the bed. It was a crazy experience, and I can only imagine how freaked out I would have been if I didn't know what sleep paralysis was.

The second time was much nicer, since not only did I know what it was, but I had experienced it before. That time, I just laid there waiting to regain control of my body.

Anyways, from the story, it sounds like maybe a night-terror that was so bad that it woke you up suddenly causing the sleep-paralysis? :whoknows: sounds scary as hell, especially if you aren't familiar with sleep-paralysis.

[Peeping Wizard]

I had an experience like that a couple of years ago. I didn't feel any kind of "presence" per say but I was laying in bed next to my wife and TOTALLY frozen, yet totally awake. I was freaking out inside my head but couldn't do anything about it. Eventually it broke and everything was fine but that isn't something I would care to re-live. Adding some of the other elements you guys have been describing must be horrible.

[Zguy28]

I had an experience like that a couple of years ago. I didn't feel any kind of "presence" per say but I was laying in bed next to my wife and TOTALLY frozen, yet totally awake. I was freaking out inside my head but couldn't do anything about it. Eventually it broke and everything was fine but that isn't something I would care to re-live. Adding some of the other elements you guys have been describing must be horrible.

That reminds me of those news stories about people being awake during surgery but unable to speak.

[Mr. Sinister]

For one, I believe in alien existance, and alien visitation, and I also believe that some people tend to over-dramatasize things that happen to them when there is a logical explanation. I tend to look at facts more than wild stories, but the more you look at the facts, and the more you look at some of these claims, the more you fill in the blanks, and the more things seem to make sense. It's the same deductive logic one would use in a police investigation.

Alien abduction is not something to laugh at. Whether people believe it or not, the fact remains is that these claims number well into the thousands, and maybe more if people were willing to come forward. People report feeling paralyzed, being taken advantage of, being sexually aroused, poked prodded, operated on, EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK of. Then some of these people come back, and under hypnosis, can point out star constellations/systems that the entities came from, can do map the coordinates and everything, and can have the information be verified and corroborated.

Mysterious chips are found embedded in their bodies, that can't be removed witjout the patient dying. They almost always say that the entities communicate with them telepathically, and that they have malicious intent. When the victims are asked to draw what the entities look like, the same picture always comes up. Where there is smoke, there is fire. You can't just call everyone crazy and dispute their claims without doing any research yourself., you just can't do it, it's not logical.

[Dan T.]

For one, I believe in alien existance, and alien visitation, and I also believe that some people tend to over-dramatasize things that happen to them when there is a logical explanation. I tend to look at facts more than wild stories, but the more you look at the facts, and the more you look at some of these claims, the more you fill in the blanks, and the more things seem to make sense. It's the same deductive logic one would use in a police investigation.

Alien abduction is not something to laugh at. Whether people believe it or not, the fact remains is that these claims number well into the thousands, and maybe more if people were willing to come forward. People report feeling paralyzed, being taken advantage of, being sexually aroused, poked prodded, operated on, EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK of. Then some of these people come back, and under hypnosis, can point out star constellations/systems that the entities came from, can do map the coordinates and everything, and can have the information be verified and corroborated.

Mysterious chips are found embedded in their bodies, that can't be removed witjout the patient dying. They almost always say that the entities communicate with them telepathically, and that they have malicious intent. When the victims are asked to draw what the entities look like, the same picture always comes up. Where there is smoke, there is fire. You can't just call everyone crazy and dispute their claims without doing any research yourself. You can't call ALL of these people crazy, it's just not logical.

Call me a skeptic.

[Zguy28]

For one, I believe in alien existance, and alien visitation, and I also believe that some people tend to over-dramatasize things that happen to them when there is a logical explanation. I tend to look at facts more than wild stories, but the more you look at the facts, and the more you look at some of these claims, the more you fill in the blanks, and the more things seem to make sense. It's the same deductive logic one would use in a police investigation.

Alien abduction is not something to laugh at. Whether people believe it or not, the fact remains is that these claims number well into the thousands, and maybe more if people were willing to come forward. People report feeling paralyzed, being taken advantage of, being sexually aroused, poked prodded, operated on, EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK of. Then some of these people come back, and under hypnosis, can point out star constellations/systems that the entities came from, can do map the coordinates and everything, and can have the information be verified and corroborated.

Mysterious chips are found embedded in their bodies, that can't be removed witjout the patient dying. They almost always say that the entities communicate with them telepathically, and that they have malicious intent. When the victims are asked to draw what the entities look like, the same picture always comes up. Where there is smoke, there is fire. You can't just call everyone crazy and dispute their claims without doing any research yourself., you just can't do it, it's not logical.

Some believe they are demons (fallen angels).

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/alien_abduct.aspx

[Maximus71]

I have had some experience in the past that I still cant explain, a few years ago I would dream that I was awake and this shadow or presence was at the bottom of my bed and I couldnt move, scream, talk or even breath. It happened for about 2 or 3 times in a 2 month span and I would wake up totaly spooked and I would turn the TV on so I could fall back sleep... Mind, the new frontier!

[Mad Mike]

And as ol' Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". I've yet to see evidence that suggests alien abductions is an "explanation" for anything.

Ding.

When I was a kid, I believed in UFOs and all sorts of things, but as I grew up and adopted a more scientific view of the world (shout-out to my high school science teacher Mr. Tamboya (sp?) who instilled in me the value and nature of the scientific method) I found no proof that they existed. What I found instead was that even my own experiences were suspect and could be best explained by simple tricks of the mind. For example, if you believe in ghosts and you get the slightest suggestion that a house is haunted, even one you may not remember, your mind is pre-programed to experience something in that house.

A great example of this is the mentalist Derren Brown. If you ever saw his short lived show "mind control" you know what I mean. He even explained how he made people believe and do the most extraordinary things by using suggestion and subtle manipulation. For example, watch him make people forget where they were going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bkleuxpvxY&feature=related

(I like how he shows the failure - he does that a lot rather than pretend his tricks always work)

And one of my favorites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg&feature=related

Those pre-programmed thoughts...

This one is a classic.

The point is that the mind as a malleable thing that is open to suggestion and manipulation. It can happen on purpose as Brown does it to people or it can happen by a series of random events.

[GhostofSparta]

I remember having sleep paralysis twice in my life, and the most vivid of the 2 occurances was when I was 6 (the other was when I was about 16), and it still freaks me out to this day.

So the worst one as I said was when I was about 6. It was during the summer, about a month after we have moved into a new house. And I mean brand new house, my parents had it build on an empty lot and it was only about a month old. I woke up in the middle of the night and saw this black.....thing sitting at the foot of my bed. It was just this formless blob, but it had bright red eyes. And for the longest time I couldn't move. And since I was 6, it felt like about 5 years when it was probably 30 seconds. But as soon as I could do anything, I let out a high-pitched (my mom described it as "blood curdling") scream. Within 10 seconds, my mom was running into my room. Now here's why it's stuck with me so long. Between my mom opening the door and her flipping on the light switch right next to the door, I heard her take one of those frightened, deep but short breaths that people do when they're startled. Now, when I asked her the next day why she did that, she told me that there had been a car outside (hence the red eyes) turning around in our cul-de-sac, and that she thought the moving shadow it cast was somebody outside the window until she turned on the light.

The one when I was 16 was a combination of a loud noise in a dream and sleep paralysis, which made me think that somebody had broken into the house and was in my room. Once again I couldn't move for a few seconds, but that time I realized it was nothing. But that time when I was 6 just still gives me chills thanks to the reaction of my mom.

[Corcaigh]

and can have the information be verified and corroborated.

Mysterious chips are found embedded in their bodies[

Show me this evidence.

[Mr. Sinister]

Show me this evidence.

Heres one

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=4&ved=0CBwQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fufocasebook.com%2FHill3.html&rct=j&q=abductees+pointing+out+star+constellations&ei=hbP1S5iMGYP68AbzquD0Cg&usg=AFQjCNHME7My1wiB881ZOAsU-E9VNM-rcA

The map that Betty says she was shown was a three-dimensional view with different size dots and lines on it.

I vividly recall at the time of this incident, that the fact that scientists could not find any constellation that fit its markings, put much doubt on the Hills claims. However, approximately 8 years thereafter, when more powerful telescopes came into use, several scientists claim to have found a match for this map.

Being intrigued with the mystery of the map, (which Betty drew from hypnosis), an Ohio schoolteacher and amateur astronomer Marjorie Fish became involved in the case in 1969. Wondering if the stars and planets on the map would match any known celestial objects, Fish got an interview with Betty Hill in the summer of 1969.

Barney Hill had died earlier the same year from a cerebral hemorrhage.

After a lengthy discussion with Betty, Fish released the following statement:

"On Aug. 4, 1969, Betty Hill discussed the star map with me. Betty explained that she drew the map in 1964 under posthypnotic suggestion. It was to be drawn only if she could remember it accurately, and she was not to pay attention to what she was drawing - which puts it in the realm of automatic drawing.

This is a way of getting at repressed or forgotten material and can result in unusual accuracy. She made two erasures showing her conscious mind took control part of the time.

Betty described the map as three-dimensional, like looking through a window.

The stars were tinted and glowed. The map material was flat and thin (not a model), and there were no noticeable lenticular lines like one of our three-dimensional processes. (It sounds very much like a reflective hologram.)"

Betty did not shift her position while viewing it, so we cannot tell if it would give the same three-dimensional view from all positions or if it would be completely three-dimensional. Betty estimated the map was approximately three feet wide and two feet high with the pattern covering most of the map.

You can read the rest by clicking on the link. There are MANY cases like that BTW, but this is one of the most famous ones

* EDIT* The information is out there people, all you have to do is know where to look.

[Corcaigh]

Heres one

Nope.

[Mr. Sinister]

Nope.

No? Well I gave you the evidence. Make of it what you will. But that's the standard response given. " You're crazy, so I'm gonna just laugh this off, but I'm confused because I just read an article about the abduction experience of a very credible intelligent,perfectly sane well-to-do woman, who gave a vivid description of what happened to her, step by step, and the information was deemed accurate by a few credible,intelligent and perfectly sane astronomers and scientists. They're not strung out on crack, or religious loonies either, yet I still don't want to believe it because it doesn't comply with my belief system, and my belief system is the end all-be all, so therefore, this is all bull****." You still did'nt elaborate on why you disagree, you could at least give me that, then I'd respect your opinion.

Yeah, okay, do some research and come back to me. Hopefully next time you can come up with a better answer than "nope". You can't believe everything and deem it gospel, and you can't dismiss everything, and call it comic book hogwash. I do alien/ufo research as a hobby, so I know when to spot bs, it's the same as being a P.I. or a detective. Evidence, eye witness testimony, egyptian heiroglyphs, , mayan tablets, the bible, medieval paintings, medieval sculpture, Sumerian sculpture,cave paintings around the world, I could go and on my friend. Just like the message in the end credits on X-Files, the truth is out there.