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KokoMike

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Right around the 1971 draft, George Allen's first with the Skins, he traded for Billy Kilmer, Jack Pardee, Myron Pottios, Maxie Baughan, Diron Talbert, John Wilbur, Jeff Jordan, and Boyd Dowler, and then traded for Ritchie Petitbon and Ron McDole.

Those guys didn't mess around, and you didn't mess with them.

We went 9-4-1, the most victories for the Redskins in 29 years. Then, it was an NFC best 11-3 in 1972.

I would not be surprised to see a major shake-up with the Skins.

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boobiemiles

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You guys referring to 1971 are crazy. The skins sucked so bad back then.

Front-office disarray and integration (1946–1970)

The team's early success endeared them to the fans of Washington, D.C. However, after 1945, the Redskins began a slow decline that they did not end until a playoff appearance in the 1971 season.[17] The Redskins had four different head coaches from 1946 to 1951, including former players Turk Edwards and Dick Todd as well as John Whelchel and Herman Ball, and none were too successful. But this did not stop George Preston Marshall from trying to make the Redskins the most successful franchise in the league. His first major alteration to the franchise in the 1950s happened on June 14, 1950, when it was announced that American Oil Company planned to televise all Redskins games, making Washington the first NFL team to have an entire season of televised games.[26][27] His next major change came in February 1952, when he hired former Green Bay Packers coach Earl "Curly" Lambeau.[27] But, after two seasons, Marshall fired Lambeau following the Redskins loss in their exhibition opener to the Los Angeles Rams and hired Joe Kuharich.[27] In 1955, Kuharich led the Redskins to their first winning season in ten years and was named both Sporting News Coach of the Year and UPI NFL Coach of the Year.[28]

In 1961, the Redskins moved into their new stadium called D.C. Stadium (changed to Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium in 1969). The first game in new D.C. Stadium occurred on October 1, 1961 in front of 37,767 fans. However, the Redskins failed to hold a 21–7 lead and lost to the New York Giants 24–21.[29] That same year, Bill McPeak became the head coach and had a record of 21–46–3 over five seasons. During his tenure, he is helped draft future stars like wide receiver Charley Taylor, tight end Jerry Smith, safety Paul Krause, center Len Hauss, and linebacker Chris Hanburger.[30] He also helped pull off two important trades, gaining quarterback Sonny Jurgensen from the Philadelphia Eagles and linebacker Sam Huff from the New York Giants.[31]

One reason for the team's struggles was disarray in the front office. Marshall, Team owner and President, began a mental decline in 1962, and the team's other stockholders found it difficult to make decisions without their boss. Marshall died on August 9, 1969,[29] and Edward Bennett Williams, a minority stockholder who was a Washington resident and one of America's most esteemed attorneys, was chosen to run the franchise while the majority stockholder, Jack Kent Cooke, lived in Los Angeles and ran his basketball team, the Los Angeles Lakers.[32] Also in 1969, the Redskins hired Vince Lombardi — who gained fame coaching with the Green Bay Packers — to be their new head coach.[33] Lombardi led the team to a 7–5–2 record,[17] their best since 1955, but died of cancer on the eve of the 1970 season.[33] Assistant coach Bill Austin was chosen to replace Lombardi during 1970 and produced a record of 6–8.[17]

Integration controversy

During most this unsuccessful period, Marshall continued to refuse to integrate the team, despite pressure from The Washington Post and the federal government of the United States.[34] On March 24, 1961, Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall warned Marshall to hire black players or face federal retribution. For the first time in history, the federal government had attempted to desegregate a professional sports team.[35] The Redskins were under the threat of civil rights legal action by the Kennedy administration, which would have prevented a segregated team from playing at the new D.C. Stadium, as it was owned by the U.S. Department of the Interior and thus federal government property.

In 1962, they became the final professional football franchise to integrate. First, the Redskins drafted Ernie Davis, the first black player to win the Heisman Trophy.[35] With their second pick in the draft, the Redskins chose another black halfback, Joe Hernandez from Arizona. They also took black fullback Ron Hatcher in the eighth round, a player from Michigan State who became the first black football player to sign a contract with the Redskins.[35] But, in mid-December, Marshall announced that on the day of the NFL draft he had traded the rights to Davis to the Cleveland Browns, who wanted Davis to join the league's leading rusher, Jim Brown, in their backfield. Davis was traded to the Browns for running back Bobby Mitchell (who became a wide receiver in Washington) and 1962 first-round draft choice Leroy Jackson.[35][36] The move was made under unfortunate circumstances - as it turned out that Davis had leukemia, and died without ever playing a down in professional football.[35] Mitchell was joined by black stars like receiver Charley Taylor, running back Larry Brown, defensive back Brig Owens, and guard John Nisby from the Pittsburgh Steelers.[35] The Redskins ended the 1962 season with their best record in five years: 5–7–2. Mitchell led the league with eleven touchdowns, and caught 72 passes and was selected to the Pro Bowl.

Barring a repeal of the Civil Rights bill, and Dan Snyder doing his Dr. Jerkle routine, we should be ok with a dominate offensive line, and clock burning running game.

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daveakl

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Landry? high 2nd

Cooley or Davis? high 2nd and 5th

Rocky? low 2nd or 3rd (I would rather not trade him though, hopefully he fits in the teams long term plans)

Landry will get at best a 3rd. Think it like this, would you rather pay Landry big money or draft a guy in the 1-3 round to play the same spot at a fraction of the cost. Esp. with not knowing how the cap will/will not play out in the future.

Cooley at best a 2nd, again, a guy coming off an injury and being in line for a big contract vs. a 1-2 round TE that is cheap and long term.

Rocky at best a 4th. Teams can draft 1-3 LB's that are as good as Rocky and much much cheaper.

This all is the same for CR, CP, JC, AC, etc.

Teams do not want to trade draft picks for guys that are about to hit big contracts.

(well, we did, but good teams do not)

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TheLongshot

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You know for some reason ... this:

[Removed image of Allen]

Doesn't seem nearly as gullible or stupid as ... this ...

[Removed image of Vinny]

Anyone else still overjoyed that he's a goner? :D

Well, right now things are just perception. Allen says some rah-rah stuff of little substance and people get excited because he happens to be a pretty good public speaker.

As I said, words mean little and there is little of substance that has happened so far to suggest that things will get better. I mean, we were all excited when Gibbs got here and thought great things were going to happen under him. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. There is no guarantee that it will happen this time either.

What has to happen for long-term success is actually having a long-term plan that you stick to. Whether if it was by choice or not, Snyder hasn't been able to do that.

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Mania

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Bro. how in the world do you not have a shovel and we're about to turn into the north pole in less than 24 hours? :doh:

yeah, you are right. I think mother nature lost her map. This is the DC area not Buffalo. I love snow, but I can't stand shoveling it, and my dog hates it as she can't find a blade of grass.

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Braxford

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This is just typical FO speak. What was he supposed to say? "We are all just hanging around Redskins Park playing cards and knocking back cold ones." He is talking about trades even if he is not meeting with other teams to "put it out there" that the Skins are a potentially willing partner. Still it is nice having competent people in charge of the organization. Good things will come.

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The Tris

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A package deal could get us a couple of # 2's, even a low # 1, plus a player or two.

I think we are going to try and get a bunch of lower round picks than a single first round pick.

redskinsblog

On @ESPNRadio980, Bruce Allen: "Right now, this team, we do need an infusion of youth onto this team." Alludes to picking up extra picks.

We need lots of young players, not one or two. So I see Allen trying to trade multiple vets for realistic picks, SHF seemed pretty realistic about those expectations.

and this was pretty awesome, if true:

redskinsblog

On @ESPNRadio980, Bruce Allen says he and Shanahan have total autonomy on decisions. Appreciates Daniel Snyder's willingness to spend.

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TheLongshot

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Well, that's an odd thing to an add to a discussion of what certain players' trade value would be.

I think the whole discussion is odd when no one here knows what teams would pay for certain players. They also don't know at what point the team would actually trade a player.

Really, it is what the market will bear, and we have no clue what the market actually is, and to paraphrase Jim Mora, we will never know.

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