Hubbs Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I'm actually asking that as a legitimate question - has anyone heard any of the coaches say anything about it? I know he was initially thought to be a "project," but it seems to me that he's not nearly as raw as expected. Watching Phillip Daniels attempt to contain is painful. He just can't anymore. He's too slow. Jarmon could do a better job while likely providing more of a pass rush at the same time. So what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardatit Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 jarmon should be starting for daniels and Orpako should be starting at the other defensive end spot. Daniels and Carter or below average but this coaching staff refuses to bench the starters with the bigger contracts, that is why this team sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaSkin Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Daniels is still a good runstopper and good at eating up blockers to give our LBs a chance to make tackles. I think Jarmon is going to be a good player for us, but I haven't seen anything to show me he's ready to start just yet. Notice that he's mostly in on passing downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest Eyes Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 jarmon should be starting for daniels and Orpako should be starting at the other defensive end spot. Daniels and Carter or below average but this coaching staff refuses to bench the starters with the bigger contracts, that is why this team sucks Couldn't have said it better. I actually think Carter is doing okay, but the combination of Orakpo and Jarmon is pretty sweet imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldBFree76 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I think Daniels should only be playing to give the other DEs a breather. I do see Jarmon/Orakpo and even Haynesworth being rotated in as a DE a lot though, so I'm curious as to how they're distributing the number of downs per player. With that said I agree, Jarmon needs to be on the field more instead of Daniels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Yeah I'd definitely like to see him on the field more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegadeTK Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 im very happy with jarmon's play thus far. he is going to end up being a STEAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 jarmon should be starting for daniels and Orpako should be starting at the other defensive end spot. Daniels and Carter or below average but this coaching staff refuses to bench the starters with the bigger contracts, that is why this team sucks Orakpo should clearly be starting in place of Daniels' spot and Blache & Co. should explore putting Carter at Orakpo's spot as the SAM. Agreed about Jarmon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Why isn't Jarmon starting? Because Greg Blache is coaching. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Daniels is excellent at reading plays, but physically he's so slow he's basically only out there to occupy a blocker or two in the running game or to hold the gaps if we're blitzing around him. He doesn't get any pressure on his own, and he looked pathetic on one play where Cadillac (I think it was Cadillac, or one of the other 2 backs Tampa was rotating in) caught a pass in the flats on a checkdown, and Daniels released from his blocker to make the play, but just got juked out of his shoes so badly he never had a chance. He's just one dimensional at this point, and as smart as he is, we need a guy who can make plays in rushing the passer and tackling guys in the open field. Jarmon definitely seems like a steal so far though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmandm Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 We still havent started our rookies from 2008... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Orakpo should clearly be starting in place of Daniels' spot and Blache & Co. should explore putting Carter at Orakpo's spot as the SAM. Agreed about Jarmon as well. If anything, it would be Jarmon in Daniels' spot and Orakpo at Carter's spot. Better matchup size wise in that aspect (and it's what both guys were drafted for it would seem).You would NOT want Carter at LB. He can't cover in space worth a crap and he wouldn't want to play that anyway. He came to Washington because he was tired of playing in San Fran's 3-4. Orakpo can rush standing up too, but for whatever reason we choose to never blitz him from the SAM spot, even though that was the explanation for putting him there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbs Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 Daniels is still a good runstopper and good at eating up blockers to give our LBs a chance to make tackles. I think Jarmon is going to be a good player for us, but I haven't seen anything to show me he's ready to start just yet. Notice that he's mostly in on passing downs. He's not a good runstopper on anything designed to go outside of him. He can't contain anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Orakpo can rush standing up too, but for whatever reason we choose to never blitz him from the SAM spot, even though that was the explanation for putting him there in the first place. i dont understand this part for the life of me we dont blitz him much, he only gets on the dline during 3rd downs. Orakpo's potential is being wasted at LB. he would be much more of a force as an every down DE. its not like Carter is doing anything special to hold on to the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTribeVA Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I don't get why we never seemed to even consider trying Andre Carter as OLB this offseason--he was an excellent 3-4 LB in San Fran. I know 3-4 LB is way different than 4-3 LB, but with how thin we are at the position, it seems like it'd be worth testing out. If it worked, we'd have the rotation of Orakpo, Daniels, and Jarmon at DE (Chris Wilson looked alright today as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcarey032 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Daniels is still a good runstopper and good at eating up blockers to give our LBs a chance to make tackles. I think Jarmon is going to be a good player for us, but I haven't seen anything to show me he's ready to start just yet. Notice that he's mostly in on passing downs. While no one is saying that there is anything demonstrated by Jarmon to suggest that he start, but what have the starters done that is jaw dropping to say he shouldn't start? They haven't generated sacks like it was advertised and they haven't generated nearly the turnovers that were supposed to be a result of pressure, so I say put in Jarmon in and Orakpo. It couldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadExField Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 in due time, my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I don't get why we never seemed to even consider trying Andre Carter as OLB this offseason--he was an excellent 3-4 LB in San Fran. I know 3-4 LB is way different than 4-3 LB, but with how thin we are at the position, it seems like it'd be worth testing out. If it worked, we'd have the rotation of Orakpo, Daniels, and Jarmon at DE (Chris Wilson looked alright today as well). He was terrible at LB in San Fran's 3-4. Just God awful. Which is why San Fran let him walk in the first place without any issue.Couldn't cover worth anything and had a terrible time rushing the passer standing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 jarmon and orakpo should be splitting reps at DE instead of phillip daniels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I think it is time to send Daniels and Carter to the bench, move Jarmon and Orakpo to the end positions, and promote Chris Wilson as the starter at SLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxpunk2006 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 He was terrible at LB in San Fran's 3-4. Just God awful. Which is why San Fran let him walk in the first place without any issue.Couldn't cover worth anything and had a terrible time rushing the passer standing up. Truth. Andre Carter was a terrible OLB in the 3-4, hence why he came to Washington to return to a 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I don't get why we never seemed to even consider trying Andre Carter as OLB this offseason--he was an excellent 3-4 LB in San Fran. I know 3-4 LB is way different than 4-3 LB, but with how thin we are at the position, it seems like it'd be worth testing out. If it worked, we'd have the rotation of Orakpo, Daniels, and Jarmon at DE (Chris Wilson looked alright today as well). I think part of the reason why Carter signed with us is because San Fran wanted him to become more of a traditional LB and he didn't want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml6157 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 By midseason, Jarmon should be starting. Daniels is a just a waste of space out there. Time Jarmon spends on the sidelines is game experience that his is missing out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Too bad this team doesn't realize that passing can be done on first and second down when Daniels is in the game and why wouldn't teams do that? No one on our front four besides Haynesworth commands double teams. Orakpo has the potential but he's too busy learning a different position :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfWashington Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 We still havent started our rookies from 2008...Actually, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Rinehart, Moore, and Horton have all started, as far as our draft picks go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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