GibbsFactor Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If Portis gets to 13K yards, he's in. BTW that's three years averaging 1300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderMustGo Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If Portis gets to 13K yards, he's in. That's not true. Just like Bledsoe and Testeverde are not hall of famers, putting up a high career number is not enough. You have to be the best at your position for at least some period of time. Portis never has been. Is Corey Dillon a HOFer? He has put up 11.5k yards and a couple of rings. I don't think so. He was never tops at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngestson Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 The best player on the team is CP and it's danged near impossible for running backs to make the cut. Shoot I love the guy but don't consider him a Hall of Fame player. That being said, nobody on the current team, at them moment, would seem HOF bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iced Coffee Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 -portis is a long shot imo without any significant accolades/chips -fletcher gets absolutely no recognition which is a shame, and i believe the same thing will occur. -big Al is our best shot, but would he be remembered as skin or titan is yet to be determined. - if Cooley keeps it up and plays for a long time like he has, i think he can make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 That's not true.Just like Bledsoe and Testeverde are not hall of famers, putting up a high career number is not enough. You have to be the best at your position for at least some period of time. Portis never has been. Is Corey Dillon a HOFer? He has put up 11.5k yards and a couple of rings. I don't think so. He was never tops at his position. If Portis averages 1300 for the next three years, he's in. It really is that simple. You are bringing up QBs into the equation? We are talking about running backs. Corey Dillon got his ring after his prime and was not the focal point of the team that won. The only active player that will be higher then Portis is LT, if LT plays for more then two more years. If Portis gets to 13K, he's top 7 all time. And I bet he can get to 14K in his career putting him in the top 5 all time. We are talking running backs here. Top 5 all time is the equivalent to a 3 time super bowl winning QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderMustGo Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 We are talking running backs here. Top 5 all time is the equivalent to a 3 time super bowl winning QB. That's nonsense. So if Dillon would have played in a backup role for a couple more seasons and picked up 1,500 more yards to meet your 13k threshold, you would say he is a hall of famer? Nonsense. Answer me this: Has Portis ever won a rushing title? Has Portis ever been a top 3 RB in the league? Has Portis ever been a starter in a Pro Bowl? Has Portis got a conference title? Has Portis got a ring? What are your answers to these questions? Because by my count they are all "no" and I fail to see how one could be a Hall of Famer and never even be considered good enough to start a Pro Bowl. It's the Hall of the Greatest, not the Hall of the very good for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_HOG Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 In orderMost likely: Samuels Portis Possible Cooley Haynesworth Conditional Longshots: Moss Fletcher There is more chance of me getting into the HOF than Moss. Honestly speaking none of the current team will probably end up in the HOF. Just look at some of the great Redskins that are not in the HOF. The HOGS have the rings and probowl appearances and are still not in there so I don't see any of the current team making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb_xxvi Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 First off, I don't think any of our current Redskins have a shot. I'll agree that Samuels is close, and so is Clinton, but still no. Hear this, and don't flame me. I love Joe Gibbs, and I love LaVar. Period. Gregg Williams single-handedly ruined our guaranteed hall of famers career. Maybe LaVar was a free lancer, maybe he wasn't good at learning defense, maybe maybe maybe. Who though, in the span LaVar, played had more of an intimidating force? 2000-2003 62 Games 21 1/2 Sacks 3 INTS (One pick 6) 10 forced fumbles (1 for 6) He was our first ballot hall of famer, but he just couldn't learn a system. Too bad, but I sure did get pumped up for the Lavar Leap, and watching him destroy ball carriers. Sadly, we'll never know the havoc Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington could've reaped. Noone went over the middle on LaVar. Noone went deep on ST. Could've been special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 There is more chance of me getting into the HOF than Moss. Honestly speaking none of the current team will probably end up in the HOF. Just look at some of the great Redskins that are not in the HOF. The HOGS have the rings and probowl appearances and are still not in there so I don't see any of the current team making it. I'd say there's an equal chance of you or Moss getting into the Hall. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGOLEBOB Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 First off, I don't think any of our current Redskins have a shot. I'll agree that Samuels is close, and so is Clinton, but still no.Hear this, and don't flame me. I love Joe Gibbs, and I love LaVar. Period. Gregg Williams single-handedly ruined our guaranteed hall of famers career. Maybe LaVar was a free lancer, maybe he wasn't good at learning defense, maybe maybe maybe. Who though, in the span LaVar, played had more of an intimidating force? He was our first ballot hall of famer, but he just couldn't learn a system. I agree that williams ruined people. he didn't want Pierce cause williams thought it was all about his system and didn't need players. he didn't want ryan clark either. we've let 2 people go who now have superbowl rings. Williams couldn't do anything with walt harris so we let him go and he went and led the league in itnerceptions the next year with another team. Williams may be the all time worst defensive coach in the league for ruining players and not maximizing their talent. its alway been my way or the highway for willaism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21forlyfe Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 That's nonsense.So if Dillon would have played in a backup role for a couple more seasons and picked up 1,500 more yards to meet your 13k threshold, you would say he is a hall of famer? Nonsense. Answer me this: Has Portis ever won a rushing title?Tk Barber ha..is he a hall of fame? Has Portis ever been a top 3 RB in the league?YES Has Portis ever been a starter in a Pro Bowl?nope,Lavar Arrington was though,is he hall of fame? Has Portis got a conference title?nope but Brian Westbrook does,is he a hall of fame? Has Portis got a ring?nope,but Timmy Smith does,is he a hall of famer? What are your answers to these questions? Because by my count they are all "no" and I fail to see how one could be a Hall of Famer and never even be considered good enough to start a Pro Bowl. It's the Hall of the Greatest, not the Hall of the very good for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21forlyfe Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Name 3 rb better than Portis now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 First off, I don't think any of our current Redskins have a shot. I'll agree that Samuels is close, and so is Clinton, but still no.Hear this, and don't flame me. I love Joe Gibbs, and I love LaVar. Period. Gregg Williams single-handedly ruined our guaranteed hall of famers career. Maybe LaVar was a free lancer, maybe he wasn't good at learning defense, maybe maybe maybe. Who though, in the span LaVar, played had more of an intimidating force? 2000-2003 62 Games 21 1/2 Sacks 3 INTS (One pick 6) 10 forced fumbles (1 for 6) He was our first ballot hall of famer, but he just couldn't learn a system. Too bad, but I sure did get pumped up for the Lavar Leap, and watching him destroy ball carriers. Sadly, we'll never know the havoc Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington could've reaped. Noone went over the middle on LaVar. Noone went deep on ST. Could've been special. On Lavar: Maybe he would have been great, maybe not. He didn't do the Giants much good. Of course, maybe he stopped training when the feud between him and Williams started? :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb_xxvi Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Name 3 rb better than Portis now? Playing? LaDanian Tomlinson Maurice Jones-Drew Brian Westbrook Adrian Peterson Larry Johnson (if he can stay healthy and out of jail) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHEREAFTER Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Portis as a very long shot given that he'd have to accomplish so much more still given his mileage and the fact that he'll start level off in the near future. He needs either a ring/strong playoff run and or a significant 1500/15 td season(s).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderMustGo Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Name 3 rb better than Portis now? 2008 Peterson Turner DeAngelo Williams 2007 Tomlinson Peterson Westbrook Parker Lewis 2006 Tomlinson L. Johnson Gore Barber S. Jackson ... (43 others) 2005 Alexander Barber L. Johnson 2004 Martin Alexander Dillon James Barber R. Johnson Tomlinson 2003 Lewis Green Tomlinson McAllister 2002 Williams Tomlinson Holmes Since the argument for him is based purely on his numbers, than the answer to your question is each year, those backs are better than Portis because they put up better numbers. Again, he never finished top 3 in the league in rushing. Never has had a rushing title. Never started in a Pro Bowl. But if you want to depart from the numbers criteria (which I bet you will want to do), I would say that I would take the following running backs over Portis for next season: Peterson, Tomlinson, Turner, Williams, MJD and Chris Johnson. Portis is a very good back. A team is lucky to have his production. But it is not hall of fame caliber if a player is never the best at his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBornRedskin Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If Fletcher can get a ring I think he has a chance. Haynesworth I think would take a ring, defensive MVP, couple probowls, and SB MVP to make up for "the stomp". Portis, probaly a ring and if he finishes top 5 in RB yardage. Just my opinion though. Fletch already has a ring with the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky52Mc Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I think where we sit right now, if these following players step their game up and or continue to post great numbers you COULD see: Clinton Portis Chris Samuals LaRon Landry Chris Cooley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinalBeast Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I think Samuels is a lock. And if Cooley and Portis play at the same level for the next 5-10 years they have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Curtis Martin is the #4 RB for yards in NFL History, with 14,101 yards. He's behind Emmit Smith, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders. I haven't heard a lot of clamor for Curtis Martin to be in the HOF. Was he a very consistent back? Sure. HOF worthy? I don't think so. Portis is going to be in the same boat. If he doesn't do something special (lead the league in rushing, TDs, SB MVP, something like that) he's not going to get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Unless we have some miraculous turn around and win a fourth Lombardi, or somebody like Clinton has a league record setting individual year or two, I doubt ANY of the current roster makes it, outside of maybe Fletch, but then he's probably not "high profile" enough to sway the voters. I would of maybe added Samuels, but if we can't get any freaking Hogs in, I wouldn't hold out much hope for Chris. Clinton's a warrior, but HoF worthy? A very good back, but another example of the way we over value our players around here if were talking about him in HoF terms. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronfeld Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Clinton Portis could have an outside shot if he leads the league in rushing in one of the next three seasons, gets another couple Pro Bowl bids, and the team accomplishes something like a NFC Championship. Otherwise, he's just another guy with decent career stats. Hell, right now, Shaun Alexander has a better chance of making the HoF; better career stats, led the league one season (and came a yard away the year before), and made a Super Bowl. If Cooley posts gargantuan numbers for his career, and keeps making Pro Bowls, he could end up there someday. But he has a long way to go before he's even in a discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolman28 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Cooley? Love the guy, but come on. If Jerry Smith never gets consideration, Cooley has no shot. And Samuels couldn't carry Jake's jock, much less Lachey's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick6 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Portis, Samuels, and Orakpo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIBBS LIVES Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 after watching today's ceremonies, it made me wonder.. i posted the same question on the ravens forum, but I'd like to get your guys' take on what current redskins have a ligit shot of ending up in Canton.. Portis have the numbers to get in? do some of these guys need to get a ring before they're even in the hall of fame talk? idk.. the NFL is one of the hardest professional sports to get into the hall of fame, so what do you guys think? You guys are so funny. No current redskins are worthy. Bunch of guys that haven't acchomplished anything. Including Clinton " I can't run well between the tackles" Portis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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