Rocky52Mc Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/ New Santana Moss Deal Offsets Jansen Cap Charge Posted by Mike Florio on June 2, 2009, 8:43 p.m. "A league source tells us that the Washington Redskins quietly extended the contract of receiver Santana Moss last month, creating nearly the same amount of cap space that was burned up when tackle Jon Jansen recently was cut. Per the source, the Redskins converted his base salary of $3.7 million in 2009 and $4.3 million in 2010 into a signing bonus, less salaries of $745,000 this year and $968,500 next year. The difference is a guaranteed payment of $6.28 million. The new deal adds three additional seasons beyond 2010, at base salaries of $1.192 million in 2011, $1.4155 million in 2012, and $1.639 million in 2013. But we’re told that the three new years automatically void at the end of the 2010 season. So why were the new years added? To allow the guaranteed payment to be spread over five years. As a result, the total cap savings was $1.7477 million. And the Jansen cap charge was $1.726 million. There also was a benefit for Moss; he received all of his 2009 pay and most of his 2010 compensation now." Pretty interesting, but nothing completely unusual from our FO. So, it's safe to say the decision against Jansen was decided long ago and was not listed as a priority until after our big business was done (FA's Draft ect.) and they take a gamble on Moss by paying him completely now without seeing his future performance. I guess you could say he earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 We need to quit doing this shoving money into tthe future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 We need to quit doing this shoving money into tthe future Why? the salary cap goes up every year usually, sometimes not a lot i know but by the time 2011 rolls around Moss might have lost a step or two and we'll just trade him or release him and not take as big of a hit then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zazzaro703 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 This actually seems like a pretty good deal for our cap. The salaries at the end of the deal aren't even that big which has handcuffed us from being able to cut people in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 those numbers are very cheap at the end of the contract. if moss's stats improve as JC gets better, then he'll want to redo it in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Smart move. Clear up cap room in the next couple of years when you know Moss will be effective for us and cut it down after that. Like it:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 With the additions of Thomas and Kelly (and with Kelly actually practicing), I think this could be a good year for the offense. WR was an important ingredient, but so is the offensive line. I am hoping they can piece it together for a decent offense because the D will be strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 does this also mean Moss just became the next Jansen? Meaning, he's now expendable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 They didn't need to do this. I smell a Greg Ellis signing. That way Orakpo can just play DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebowski Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 does this also mean Moss just became the next Jansen? Meaning, he's now expendable Yes and No. This means it will be harder to cut him like it has been for Jansen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_K Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 are we really that bad off that 1.7 million is a big deal ? what is the cap .. 112 million ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut0862 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I don't like the idea of Moss getting paid all that money up front. What incentive does he have to go all out for the next two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Yes and No. This means it will be harder to cut him like it has been for Jansen. How much dead cap are the redskins going to pay Jansen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky52Mc Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 those numbers are very cheap at the end of the contract. if moss's stats improve as JC gets better, then he'll want to redo it in a couple of years. I'm not sure if you read the whole article but those aren't valid numbers by any standards. They're simply there to spread out the cap. Anything past 2010 is void. It doesn't even matter. Basically his contract is up after 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I know Moss just turned 30, but I don't think he's as expendable as Jansen, especially since the two young WRs they drafted last year have not shown much. Moss, IMO, is still going to have to be a big part of this offense if they are going to do anything or go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Why the hell are we extending Moss? He seems like the kind of guy you want to slowly ease out right now. Not hold onto for three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky52Mc Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 Why the hell are we extending Moss? He seems like the kind of guy you want to slowly ease out right now. Not hold onto for three years. C'mon man read the fine print. The new deal adds three additional seasons beyond 2010' date=' at base salaries of $1.192 million in 2011, $1.4155 million in 2012, and $1.639 million in 2013.[u'] But we’re told that the three new years automatically void at the end of the 2010 season.[/u] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu7ch Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Where are the Florio haters? I thought on every PFT: <insert title> you'd see everyone that thought he's a douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Where are the Florio haters? I thought on every PFT: <insert title> you'd see everyone that thought he's a douche. Mike Florio is the biggest waste of space EVER. I seriously hate him and hope he never reproduces. I think he looks like eddie munster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darklight1216 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Mike Florio is the biggest waste of space EVER. I seriously hate him and hope he never reproduces. I think he looks like eddie munster Tell us how you really feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleelroy89 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Either a big trade for an OL is coming or Greg Ellis signing or Marcus Washington is coming back. I know this offsets the Jansen deal but it makes you wonder what else this cap wizard has his sleeve. I'm not referring to Vinny ethier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 So, it's safe to say the decision against Jansen was decided long ago and was not listed as a priority until after our big business was done (FA's Draft ect.) I don't think Jansen's future was decided until we got Jeremy Bridges and Mike Williams signed and the FO felt like one of the three RTs we've got (Heyer included) would do at least as good at the position as Jansen would. After that there was no reason to keep him around, we've got younger (a little) and healthier guys that can't be worse. Why hold onto him after that? I definintely wouldn't say Jansen's future was decided before Bridges signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeen80 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 I don't like the idea of Moss getting paid all that money up front. What incentive does he have to go all out for the next two years Exactly what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeen80 Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Can someone please try and explain to me in simple terms how his contract is extended for 3 seasons yet becomes void after 2010? I'm by no means a salary cap whiz but I would love an explanation so I can better understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu7ch Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 Mike Florio is the biggest waste of space EVER. I seriously hate him and hope he never reproduces. I think he looks like eddie munster Who cares what he looks like (it's a blog) and he's already reproduced...thanks for viewing his page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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