NoleSkin21 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 People don't want Mack NOW because he is a center and we don't need a center just yet. But, he can play guard too and we depserately need guard, and next year he can step in as the full time center. You say we don't need a center yet, your mock draft has us taking a center in the 5th round. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flycoach Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 D-line, PLEASE. I don't care whether it's DE or DT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaught76 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 If we pick at 13 and can't trade out, I'll be ticked if we don't walk away with at least one of these O-line or D-line players: - Micheal Oher, OT - B.J. Raji, DT - Jason Smith, OT - Eugene Monroe, OT - Duke Robinson, OG - Eben Britton, OT (maybe a stretch) Anyone else would be a huge reach at this point or a BPA pick from Vinny.:doh: The only exception to the above statement would be if Aaron Curry fell that far. I'd still be happy because we would land the best LB in the draft, which, in my opinion, is a pretty big need. Not to mention the value of a high quality player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan834 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 personally I think we have to address the oline or interior dline with our pick (or trade down picks if that's what we do)... I don't see what a DE does for us without tackles that can do anything but plug up the run... I wouldn't be opposed to an LB if the blue chippers were still available.. below is maylocks full mock if anyone is interested... surprised to see the safeties have all fallen off... hadn't seen a mock yet that didn't include mays or the missouri kid (not saying we should draft them, just surprised)...1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia 2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama 3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC 4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech 5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest 6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor 7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri 8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St. 10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St. 11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St. 12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College 13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas 14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois 15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St. 16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia 17 New York Jets Percy Harvin WR Florida 18 Chicago Tyson Jackson DE LSU 19 Tampa Bay Josh Freeman QB Kansas St. 20 Detroit (from Dallas) Rey Maualuga LB USC 21 Philadelphia Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Ohio St. 22 Minnesota Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina 23 New England Brian Cushing LB USC 24 Atlanta Larry English DE/OLB No. Illinois 25 Miami Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Mryland 26 Baltimore D.J. Moore CB Vanderbilt 27 Indianapolis Peria Jerry DT Mississippi 28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) Michael Oher OT Mississippi 29 New York Giants James Laurinaitis LB Ohio St. 30 Tennessee Michael Johnson DE Georgia Tech 31 Arizona LeSean McCoy RB Pittsburgh 32 Pittsburgh Alex Mack C California Taylor Mays returned to USC for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikie Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Taylor Mays returned to USC for another year. that's right, forgot about that... thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 You say we don't need a center yet, your mock draft has us taking a center in the 5th round. Go figure. Yeah, to groom. Thats why its in the fifth, not first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3850049I just noticed that Kiper has the Skins picking a DE from TX (Brian Orakpo). Later in the mock he has Houston taking Everette Brown. I have to say that if Brown is available I would take him any day over anyone else. For the record though I would rather have a DT. Thoughts? You would genuinely take a Featherweight DE in Everette Brown over any player in this draft? Oher, Monroe, Curry, Mauluga, Raji, Jerry, Smith- All players who COULD be available at 13 who would be FAR more valuable to this team than Brown. And that's not even including the players who would certainly not be there at 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 You say we don't need a center yet, your mock draft has us taking a center in the 5th round. Go figure. I personally don't want us taking Mack either, but I wouldn't be opposed to it at all if we traded down. Rabach hasn't been the downfall of this line by ANY means (despite the fact that so many people want to blame him without any just cause). But, you don't pass up on a Franchise Center. Especially a Center who can shift over to guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 The guy is smart' date=' a leader, a real hard worker and he's a great player. Reminds of Lofa Tatupu and he's a quality pick at 13[/quote'] Mauluga is a lot of things, but it sounds like you're describing the wrong LB in this draft. You're thinking of Aaron Curry, who's very technical, fundamental, and a very good leader. He is, by far, the best OLB in this draft, and the ONLY player we should draft at #13 if we don't go OL. Mauluga is a lot like LaVar Arrington- he freelances, misses his assignments constantly, but his athleticism and skills could be put to good use by a quality DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Will Orakpo be there? That's the real question. Finally, a top DE prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american soldier Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 You take a look at today's league and what you get is a need for defenses to have more speed. It's simply a passing league. In the 4-3 defense you have four 300lb plus lineman. If you're lucky, they got away with juicing and they're able to play sideline to sideline and not get injured or recover from injuries fast. Fat chance. In a 3-4 defense (which happens to be the defense that the 1 and 2 top defenses play in) you have one beast in the middle that can take up two O linemen, a speed rusher (sack specialist) on one side and another run stopper that can take up space. If you're twice as lucky, you'll get a linemen that can rush the passer and play the run. Teams are passing a lot and the 3-4 defense is the best to defend it. You can use any one of your four linebackers to bring pressure on the pass or help out on the run. I say all that to say this..... Greg Blache will soon be retiring. I believe Zorn's choice for a D coordinator will be a guy that looks to attack the opposing offense with speed. That would be a 3-4 defense guy - atleast I hope he changes it to the 3-4 defense. If the Redskins are looking into the future, they might want to draft future and invest in a monster nose tackle at #13. He could still play DT in the current 4-3 which would be a luxury if he can take up space like your a typical 3-4 nose. One of these guys might be their answer: 1. Terrance Cody, Alabama 2. B.J. Raji, Boston College 3. Terrance Taylor, Michigan 4. Boo Robinson, Wake Forest We have the secondary to cause havoc on a confused QB which the 3-4 defense tends to cause if run correctly. Can you imagine our DBs on the Steelers or the Ravens (although Troy P and Ed Reed are the best in the business)? Good article explaining the 3-4 defense: http://www.steelerfury.com/articles/title/Football-101-the-3-4-Defense/ BTW, I would look for offensive linemen in FA if I'm looking for instant gratification on that side of the ball. A rookie lineman are fundamentally harder to find. Also on a footnote.....Jason Taylor made the Pro-Bowl and went sack crazy playing hybrid LB/DE in the Dolphins 3-4/4-3 defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Full Monty Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Orakpo's SportCenter profile on youtube: Of course, it puts him in the best light, but don't they all. The segment shows how he's a hard worker and fought like hell to improve his muscle mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 You take a look at today's league and what you get is a need for defenses to have more speed. It's simply a passing league. In the 4-3 defense you have four 300lb plus lineman. If you're lucky, they got away with juicing and they're able to play sideline to sideline and not get injured or recover from injuries fast. Fat chance. In a 3-4 defense (which happens to be the defense that the 1 and 2 top defenses play in) you have one beast in the middle that can take up two O linemen, a speed rusher (sack specialist) on one side and another run stopper that can take up space. If you're twice as lucky, you'll get a linemen that can rush the passer and play the run. Teams are passing a lot and the 3-4 defense is the best to defend it. You can use any one of your four linebackers to bring pressure on the pass or help out on the run. I say all that to say this..... Greg Blache will soon be retiring. I believe Zorn's choice for a D coordinator will be a guy that looks to attack the opposing offense with speed. That would be a 3-4 defense guy - atleast I hope he changes it to the 3-4 defense. If the Redskins are looking into the future, they might want to draft future and invest in a monster nose tackle at #13. He could still play DT in the current 4-3 which would be a luxury if he can take up space like your a typical 3-4 nose. One of these guys might be their answer: 1. Terrance Cody, Alabama 2. B.J. Raji, Boston College 3. Terrance Taylor, Michigan 4. Boo Robinson, Wake Forest We have the secondary to cause havoc on a confused QB which the 3-4 defense tends to cause if run correctly. Can you imagine our DBs on the Steelers or the Ravens (although Troy P and Ed Reed are the best in the business)? Good article explaining the 3-4 defense: http://www.steelerfury.com/articles/title/Football-101-the-3-4-Defense/ BTW, I would look for offensive linemen in FA if I'm looking for instant gratification on that side of the ball. A rookie lineman are fundamentally harder to find. Also on a footnote.....Jason Taylor made the Pro-Bowl and went sack crazy playing hybrid LB/DE in the Dolphins 3-4/4-3 defense. If we wern't married to Andre Carter for the next several years, I'd say looking into switching to a 3-4 defense would be the way to solve our pass rushing issues. However, the cap hit on Carter is 6.167, 6.167, 5.666 and 5.666 for the next 4 years and he isn't suited for a 3-4 DE or OLB. More and more often are you getting tweener DE/OLB's versus pure DE's coming in the draft and NT's seem to be popping up more often than they used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I REALLY REALLY hope we do not draft Orakpo. Unless of course we first address the DT, OL, and LB positions some how in the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 If we wern't married to Andre Carter for the next several years, I'd say looking into switching to a 3-4 defense would be the way to solve our pass rushing issues. However, the cap hit on Carter is 6.167, 6.167, 5.666 and 5.666 for the next 4 years and he isn't suited for a 3-4 DE or OLB.More and more often are you getting tweener DE/OLB's versus pure DE's coming in the draft and NT's seem to be popping up more often than they used to. It does seem that way. I would like a 3-4 if we had a guy like Rex Ryan or Dick Lebeau run it. Otherwise it doesn't seem to be that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I REALLY REALLY hope we do not draft Orakpo. Unless of course we first address the DT, OL, and LB positions some how in the FA. Defensive End depth in this class is absolutely horrid. If we don't take one with our 1st round pick, there really isn't one worth taking after the beginning of round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-bomb Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I don't mind the pick as long as we pick up shaun Cody 6'3'' 310 age 25 and tommie harris 6'3'' 300 age 25 in FA first.Then we let montgomery and evans go and with the extra beef in the middle the young DE can develop on the outside like mario williams did in texas!:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Defensive End depth in this class is absolutely horrid. If we don't take one with our 1st round pick, there really isn't one worth taking after the beginning of round 2. I don't mind NOT grabbing one this year. I would rather wait until next year, depending on how FA goes that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C26 Run Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 It's way too early which way the 'Skins will go. I do definitely agree that DT is our weakest along the D-line and OG is weakest along our O-line. :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Resigning DeAngelo Hall has become very important for the team as it would allow the Redskins to avoid having to take a corner in the draft and concentrate instead on both the OL and DL. Hall is only 25 and was himself a #8 overall pick in the draft. He is going to cost major money to sign, but this is one negotiation Snyder can't come up alligator arms on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Resigning DeAngelo Hall has become very important for the team as it would allow the Redskins to avoid having to take a corner in the draft and concentrate instead on both the OL and DL. Hall is only 25 and was himself a #8 overall pick in the draft. He is going to cost major money to sign, but this is one negotiation Snyder can't come up alligator arms on. Word is the Redskins offered him 12mill guaranteed and he wants 16mill. They need to hurry up and lock his ass up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitStickTaylor21 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Is anyone an insider and can post the entire Kiper mock? I saw him on Sportscenter and they showed the whole thing, but it's still "insider only" on espn.com He has Michael Oher going #28 to the Eagles, I wonder what has Kiper thinking he'll slip that far. I can't remember everything else, but he had Peria Jerry going #27 and Alex Mack going #32. EDIT: Nevermind, found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royallypwned Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Sounds like someone is bitter about not having won a playoff game since 1996... :dallasuck haha not bitter, and I'm not saying I want my team to draft him. Just saying I really like the kid and I hope he does well in the NFL. And I think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagleskins Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Another glaring hole seems to be at linebacker. I would love to trade down, and take Brian Cushing and then an OT in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Another glaring hole seems to be at linebacker. I would love to trade down, and take Brian Cushing and then an OT in the second round. The thing with Cushing is there are some durability concerns. Seems he's had 3 surgeries with shoulder, knee, and ankle problems. With our issues with McIntosh and Kelly, I'd be wary of guys with an injury history. Also, some draft sites list him a better fit for a 3-4 with his weight closer to 260, but it seems he weighed in at 243 lbs, which should be fine for a 4-3 SLB to replace Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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