bulldog Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Chiefs young owner realized after Carl Peterson's departure that the KC organization needed to be rebuilt and that he needed a front office executive to come in and shape that transformation. Scott Pioli is a proven talent evaluator. He, rather than the owner, will decide if Herman Edwards is going to keep his job as HC. No offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator is going to be hired if Edwards departs BEFORE a new HC is in place. Pioli will have a draft strategy in place by April. Chances are the Chiefs will look to trade any veterans with market value to increase their share of selections. If Dan Snyder had made such a move in 2000 instead of allowing himself to believe he could be a major player in the personnel management end of an NFL business, and with the resources the Redskins have as an organization, the team would probably now have an additional Lombardi Trophy or two in the case. Instead, the fans here get to see a team that gyrates back and forth between 6-10 and 10-6 over time, never really showing the kind of sustained improvement and consistency other clubs have shown over the same period. I can't predict that the Chiefs are going to improve as dramatically as the Dolphins did in going from 1-15 to 11-5 in one season, but mark my words in saying that the Kansas City Chiefs in 2-3 seasons will be a team to be reckoned with in the AFC West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Chances are the Chiefs will look to trade any veterans with market value to increase their share of selections. Snyder is probably getting excited just thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Chiefs will be good again. All it takes is a little bit of organization up top, something that we will never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21DIEHARDSKINSFAN21 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 i would agree so. but i mean lets see how this draft pans out, i think snyder/cerrato finally are knowing what they want to do and how to build a team even though u can scratch tha taylor trade but i am not sure why we dont hire gibbs as our gm. that would be lovely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 i would agree so. but i mean lets see how this draft pans out, i think snyder/cerrato finally are knowing what they want to do and how to build a team even though u can scratch tha taylor trade but i am not sure why we dont hire gibbs as our gm. that would be lovely Gibbs as GM would suck. Thankfully, Bobby Beathard was GM back in the day. Does Snyderrato really seem to know what it's doing? The only reason Zorn is the hc is that nobody legit wanted the job. It'd be nice to ignore the Taylor trade, and hope it's an anomoly but it's not. It's part of the trend. Did you forget offering two 1st rounders for Chad Johnson during the draft? What signs are showing that the beast has learned its lesson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 but that's one of the principal signs that the current FO doesn't get it you don't trade #2 and #6 picks for a 34 year old 244 pound DE who won't be able to hold up in the run game against a tough division that has runners like Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber and Brian Westbrook. the simple fact is as a GM you don't give up part of your future for a Jason Taylor's present contribution UNLESS you are very close to a title. this team was NO WHERE close to being that assured of its position as a true contender in 2008 to make that move. Scott Pioli or a Bill Parcells would have known that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21DIEHARDSKINSFAN21 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Gibbs as GM would suck. Thankfully, Bobby Beathard was GM back in the day.Does Snyderrato really seem to know what it's doing? The only reason Zorn is the hc is that nobody legit wanted the job. It'd be nice to ignore the Taylor trade, and hope it's an anomoly but it's not. It's part of the trend. Did you forget offering two 1st rounders for Chad Johnson during the draft? What signs are showing that the beast has learned its lesson? i personally would of loved to get cj. a proven route runner, dependable game changer, big tall receiver. and how are you so sure gibbs as gm would suck. he got us the team that made the playoffs twice in 4 years. i think he knows how to build a team. and at that time we had a good OL. if we had c.j. on the field rather then el/thomas/kelly we would of put up alot more pts and thats not arguable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 i personally would of loved to get cj. a proven route runner, dependable game changer, big tall receiver. and how are you so sure gibbs as gm would suck. he got us the team that made the playoffs twice in 4 years. i think he knows how to build a team. and at that time we had a good OL. if we had c.j. on the field rather then el/thomas/kelly we would of put up alot more pts and thats not arguable. He knows how to build a team? That's why everybody thinks they're just a few players away from winning the whole shebang, right? It's not like the team is full of aging vets with declining performance or anything. It would have been 1 trip to the playoffs if it weren't for the Bears. Collins obviously should have been the starter when Saunders was here. If you think Calvin Johnson (edit: Acutally, he might be. I obviously meant Chad) was worth two 1st rounders, then you deserve whatever crap the Skins put on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 Chad Johnson is 31 years old. Players that age have reached their peak. Taking on their contracts is a significant risk and one you don't take unless as the Patriots with Moss were very close to winning a championship. The Redskins are nowhere near that level right now. This team has a LOT of rebuilding to do and it is very hard to believe the club will be competitive enough in the next 1-2 years to make full use of Johnson based on what it would take to acquire him. Those draft picks are needed to rebuild the defensive line. offensive line. linebacking corps, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 As always agree with everything you say bulldog. Being a fan of Washington sports really blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metskins Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Chiefs were turning around their franchise before Pioli came on board. Dwayne Bowe is a heck of a WR. There was no "oh he's gotta learn the offense", "oh he's not ready", "oh he doesn't know what he's doing". From day one that guy made plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Completely agree. The Chiefs will be the Dolphins of this year next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It is amazing how other organizations learn from there mistakes and not danny and vinny. This year it was Atlanta and Miami that got back in the game, next year could be KC and Cleveland. It is sad to see other organizations get the job done while our 2 stubborn arrogant clowns go merrily along with there losing ways. F U BOTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins PR Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 i think snyder/cerrato finally are knowing what they want to do and how to build a team I've heard this for the last 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Skins FO lead by Cerrato has made one critical mistake in the Jason Taylor deal. That being said, JT suffered a fluke injury and the coaching staff decided to play him out of position at LE. The draft...I think a lot of the fans along with the beat writers for the team have forgotten how to examine a draft. Maybe if we had more picks recently we would know better but you are judging Cerrato's first draft class after ONE SEASON!!!! Any fan in the world who thinks its fair to judge a player in this past draft after one season has absolutely lost their football sense. Devin Thomas- Was raw coing out of college and was asked to learn the WCO and the fans expected him to come in and have 50 catches when the coaching staff was scared to death to play a rookie Malcolm Kelly- Possibly the most talented receiver in this past draft. A risk with his knee but the talent is there...Why not take a shot at a position of need. His abilioty to overcoem his injuries will be the ? Fred Davis- Shawn Springs last week said he could be the best tight end in football soon. From somebody who has no reason to compliment this FO and has taken a hard stance against them before, I take that with a lot of weight.... Reinhart- Played behind one of the few healthy & consistent members of our o-line in Kendall. Looked good in the preseason until the coaches moved him to tackle. Playing for a position coach who loves vets!!! Tryon- 4th round pick who may not pan out....Has speed but size may not work...we'll know by next preseason Colt- May be the future at QB for this team in a few years...At worst a solid #2 taken in Round 6 Kareem Moore- 3rd safety who can be a spot starter....Had a knee injury heading into camp so expecting improvement is reasonable.... Rob Jackson- Showed signs as a pass rush specialist..... Horton- Can be a probowl caliber strong safety This could be a good class if the fans and the coaches exercise the patience that every other NFL team normally would. It may be full of busts but to judge them based on one season where we had 21 returning veteran starters is ridiculous...Let them get a full offseason in, a 2nd year in the playbook, and a coaching staff that can go through some up and downs and we might have something.... Also, lets not sit here and blam Vinny for Gibbs terrible decisions as Team President over the past 4 seasons.....This is the first year it was Vinny's call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It is amazing how other organizations learn from there mistakes and not danny and vinny. This year it was Atlanta and Miami that got back in the game, next year could be KC and Cleveland. It is sad to see other organizations get the job done while our 2 stubborn arrogant clowns go merrily along with there losing ways. F U BOTH Well Cleveland is kind of learning there mistake. They are AGAIN going with a GM from the personnel department of the Ravens AND a coach from the Pats. It didn't work out the first time, at least change it up this time. Know what I mean. Anyways, there front office is too involved. Heck, they hired there HC before their GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Gibbs Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Would have been great if we signed Pioli to replace VC. Although unlike many it appears that Snyder doesn't see his FO as one of the reasons for the Redskins mediocrity during his tenure as owner. I assume in order for any quality GM to sign with the Skins they would want full control or at least have Snyder take a back seat in personnel moves and it appears Dan isn't willing to do this, as proven by him keeping VC despite poor results and him being a laughing stock around the league. I would be willing to bet the Chiefs will be better than us in 2-3 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins PR Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 if we had c.j. on the field rather then el/thomas/kelly we would of put up alot more pts and thats not arguable. Very arguable. What was Cincinatti's offense ranked this year? What were CJ's stats? It was another typically retarded Snyder trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_R Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It is amazing how other organizations learn from there mistakes and not danny and vinny. This year it was Atlanta and Miami that got back in the game, next year could be KC and Cleveland. It is sad to see other organizations get the job done while our 2 stubborn arrogant clowns go merrily along with there losing ways. F U BOTH As long as the bottom line doesn't hurt, I doubt Snyder gives a crap about winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins PR Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 As long as the bottom line doesn't hurt, I doubt Snyder gives a crap about winning. Well he wants to win. He just refuses to admit that his involvement in football operations is the reason we don't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I agree with Bulldog's statement. KC was smart to hire Pioli. KC will improve next year. I have repeatedly said that our current front office structure is deficient and so have many other Skins fans during the past few years. On this message board a lot of fans have commented on our front office problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 As long as the bottom line doesn't hurt, I doubt Snyder gives a crap about winning. Absolutely ridiculous. Its is painfully obvious that Snyder wants to win....He just has a hard time learning how to win.... That being said....Give Zorn and this draft class more than one season before judging Cerrato. He inherited an aging team with minimal young players acquired via the draft from Gibbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I agree with Bulldog's statement. KC was smart to hire Pioli. KC will improve next year. I have repeatedly said that our current front office structure is deficient and so have many other Skins fans during the past few years. On this message board a lot of fans have commented on our front office problems. KC will improve in part due to their draft in '08(Dorsey, Brandon Albert, Brandon Flowers). Their draft struggled this past season but it was a talented group that given time can lead to a fast turnaround..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 This is good news for Danny. Now he can go after Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'd give anything to have either Pioli or Polian running the Skins FO (or Ozzie Newsome, for that matter). How sad that we could've landed Pioli this year, and passed on it. :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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