WVUforREDSKINS Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 I am fully willing to admit that the GOP are dirty politicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumanB Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 So you don't think they should count Absentee ballots? Yes they should, but not all of the absentee ballots were counted. That's one of the issues that Coleman and his campaign have been talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You know what shows a tremendous sexual double standard? No one hear has yet complained that Al Franken is less qualified to be a US Senator than Sarah Palin was to be VP. And it even happens to be true? OTher than discussing politics on Air America, what has Franken done in terms of public service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsOrlando Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You know what shows a tremendous sexual double standard?No one hear has yet complained that Al Franken is less qualified to be a US Senator than Sarah Palin was to be VP. And it even happens to be true? OTher than discussing politics on Air America, what has Franken done in terms of public service? He had a stupid sketch on SNL, Alec Baldwin was a guest frequent on SNL, Alec Baldwin works with Tina Fey, Tina Fey played Palin on SNL. Thats about as much as I can conclude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You know what shows a tremendous sexual double standard?No one hear has yet complained that Al Franken is less qualified to be a US Senator than Sarah Palin was to be VP. And it even happens to be true? OTher than discussing politics on Air America, what has Franken done in terms of public service? While true, that has less to do with her gender and more to do with the political symbol in front of her name. Caroline Kennedy would have gotten the nod is she had just kept her mouth shut. And she has no experience either. Too bad for her she started talking and made everyone realize she was too inexperienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 While true, that has less to do with her gender and more to do with the political symbol in front of her name.Caroline Kennedy would have gotten the nod is she had just kept her mouth shut. And she has no experience either. Too bad for her she started talking and made everyone realize she was too inexperienced. Worse than that: Kennedy chick has never even had a "JOB". It takes the Paris Hilton for President spoof and makes it real 1 level lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Just like the Wash state Gov race a few years back. The Dems have now perfected the art of stealing elections. They failed in 2000, but learned. Now they know exactly how to get the right judges in place to allow JUUUUSSSTTTTT enough "contested ballots" to be "found" and counted. And as soon as their candidate takes a lead, WHAM, those same judges declare it over and wont let any more ballots be contested or found.. Al Franken was leading by 49 votes before these rejected ballots vaulted him up to 200+. Why didn't the judges declare it at the 49? Why even take the chance when they already stole it? Yes they should, but not all of the absentee ballots were counted. That's one of the issues that Coleman and his campaign have been talking about. They're only talking about it now that they're down. Coleman was the one who was telling Franken when he was up. If I remember right before this last recount of rejected ballots Franken is the one who wanted to count more of them. Count them all so Coleman can quit complaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You know what shows a tremendous sexual double standard?No one hear has yet complained that Al Franken is less qualified to be a US Senator than Sarah Palin was to be VP. And it even happens to be true? OTher than discussing politics on Air America, what has Franken done in terms of public service? I think there's a difference. Senators don't necessarily have to lead, they have to represent their states. Sure Franken, as of now, isn't fit to be a committee chair or majority leader. But I think he can represent his constituents fine. While the office of VP itself isn't all that important, McCain was 72 and would have been the oldest President in history at the time he took office, so its very plausible that Palin could have assumed the office of the Presidency by the untimely death of McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You know what shows a tremendous sexual double standard?No one hear has yet complained that Al Franken is less qualified to be a US Senator than Sarah Palin was to be VP. And it even happens to be true? OTher than discussing politics on Air America, what has Franken done in terms of public service? wrote this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Al Franken was leading by 49 votes before these rejected ballots vaulted him up to 200+. Why didn't the judges declare it at the 49? Why even take the chance when they already stole it?They're only talking about it now that they're down. Coleman was the one who was telling Franken when he was up. If I remember right before this last recount of rejected ballots Franken is the one who wanted to count more of them. Count them all so Coleman can quit complaning. Franken never lead until Judges started determining which ballots were acceptable and which were not (both absentee and contested). Why didnt they stop it? Simple, they knew the ballots next up were Franken ballots (ie, from Franken heavy precincts or Franken challenges). Franken and the Dems in typical fashion have whined and complained from the start. Now that they have their way they want the other side to stop complaining???? How rich. Count them all. Let the chads fall where they may fall. Ultimately, this will hurt the Dems. Franken will become the punching bag for the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjah Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Franken will become the punching bag for the right. Except that nobody cared about his radio station and nobody will care about him now. Also, nobody cares about Minnesota. The right can spend as much effort as they like going after him. It will be time wasted, especially at a time when people are more attuned to important issues. Unless he makes the Senate filibuster-proof, which he won't, he's really not that important. You'd think the right would have learned the diminished value of personality politics after the disastrous McCain campaign. But maybe they aren't the fastest learners. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanCollins Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You know what shows a tremendous sexual double standard?No one hear has yet complained that Al Franken is less qualified to be a US Senator than Sarah Palin was to be VP. And it even happens to be true? OTher than discussing politics on Air America, what has Franken done in terms of public service? about as much as Jesse Ventura and Arnold, but for some reason no one confronted them about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Well the Senate belongs to the Dems as firmly as you can get nowJust like the Dallas Cowboys, no excuse not to be successful. Can't blame Bush forever If they fail they will blame "Bush's" economy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 If they fail they will blame "Bush's" economy I don't doubt that at all, Dems will wisely do that for a couple of generations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I mean seriously. What can Franken see from his backyard? I think I'm serious and being flip at the same time. Clearly, the most important part of becoming a Senator is earning your representatives trust and if Franken did that then he is worthy... sort of, but you'd like a Senator to have a heavy background in business or charity or even academia... something that shows he understands the mechanics of something. Franken's not even a real a Minnesotan anymore, is he? Will he really be a great representative for their needs? I don't know much about the other dude although what I have heard hasn't been great, but Franken does not seem to have led the life that would make one think him set for public office. Perhaps that's a good thing. Perhaps, he's offset enough and insulated by wealth and fame enough that some of the traps of DC corruption won't snare him. If this decision is upheld, I hope he turns out to be a strong and reasoned voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 "I hope he turns out to be a strong and reasoned voice." Youve got a better chance of seeing me show up at Code Pink rally's in a a rainbow blazer and birkenstocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Meh the guy could do a good job for all we know. Can't do much worse than some of the jokers we have in there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 "I hope he turns out to be a strong and reasoned voice."Youve got a better chance of seeing me show up at Code Pink rally's in a a rainbow blazer and birkenstocks. You're out of luck. We already have the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You're out of luck. We already have the pictures. Does my hair look okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 The next play in Larrys playbook- the red herring.All of you, some of you, it's all sematics. The fact that you ALL arent condemning it speaks volumes. The Dems stole another one. Rejoice!!!!!!! The next play in Kilmer's playbook. Lie some more. All of you, none of you, gee what's the difference? And now, back to repeating my previous lie. The one I got called on and can't support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 The next play in Larrys playbook- the red herring.All of you, some of you, it's all sematics. The fact that you ALL arent condemning it speaks volumes. The Dems stole another one. Rejoice!!!!!!! Why is it a red herring, K? It's not like you wrote ten paragraphs and he picked out one line of it. You're pissed and you're pickin a fight. But the 'libs' aren't the enemy here. The process has a flaw which should be fixed, and pointing the finger across the aisle ain't gonna fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Does my hair look okay? No. It looks fabulous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmacop Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Franken never lead until Judges started determining which ballots were acceptable and which were not (both absentee and contested).Why didnt they stop it? Simple, they knew the ballots next up were Franken ballots (ie, from Franken heavy precincts or Franken challenges). Franken and the Dems in typical fashion have whined and complained from the start. Now that they have their way they want the other side to stop complaining???? How rich. Count them all. Let the chads fall where they may fall. Ultimately, this will hurt the Dems. Franken will become the punching bag for the right. This is just outright wrong on many counts. Coleman was ahead before the recount. Franken moved ahead before any of the absentee ballots were counted. Franken wanted ALL of the absentee ballots counted, but Coleman wanted to cherry-pick those ballots from GOP-heavy districts instead. The Supreme Court said: "We're only going to count ballots that both sides agree on. If both sides don't agree, the losing party will have to bring a lawsuit." So after the obviously wrongly omitted absentee ballots that both sides agreed on get counted, Franken's lead goes up to 225. So now Coleman will go to court with those cherry-picked GOP-leaning ballots, but for every one of those ballot Franken's team has another ballot from Dem-leaning districts that Coleman has prevented from being counted. Franken's position from the start has been to count all the ballots. It's been Coleman's position from the start to prevent this from happening. It was the only way he could win. Every analyst says that even if ALL of Coleman's positions are valid (which is highly unlikely) he would still come up a handful of votes short. In my opinion, the Minnesota process is how all recounts should go. There has been very minimal court intrusion, and the county canvassing boards have painstakingly gone through each relevant ballot publicly with well-defined standards, and the results have been reported in real-time and with full transparency. What more could we ask for? The bottom line is that Franken got more legitimate votes than Coleman. Period. Nothing the courts have done have changed this basic fact. And complaints you hear from the Coleman camp are just whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 This is just outright wrong on many counts. Coleman was ahead before the recount. Franken moved ahead before any of the absentee ballots were counted. Franken wanted ALL of the absentee ballots counted, but Coleman wanted to cherry-pick those ballots from GOP-heavy districts instead. The Supreme Court said: "We're only going to count ballots that both sides agree on. If both sides don't agree, the losing party will have to bring a lawsuit." So after the obviously wrongly omitted absentee ballots that both sides agreed on get counted, Franken's lead goes up to 225. So now Coleman will go to court with those cherry-picked GOP-leaning ballots, but for every one of those ballot Franken's team has another ballot from Dem-leaning districts that Coleman has prevented from being counted. Franken's position from the start has been to count all the ballots. It's been Coleman's position from the start to prevent this from happening. It was the only way he could win. Every analyst says that even if ALL of Coleman's positions are valid (which is highly unlikely) he would still come up a handful of votes short. In my opinion, the Minnesota process is how all recounts should go. There has been very minimal court intrusion, and the county canvassing boards have painstakingly gone through each relevant ballot publicly with well-defined standards, and the results have been reported in real-time and with full transparency. What more could we ask for? The bottom line is that Franken got more legitimate votes than Coleman. Period. Nothing the courts have done have changed this basic fact. And complaints you hear from the Coleman camp are just whining. Utter crap. The "legitimate votes" are determined by Democratic Judges. It's not a coincidence that there were more votes found for Franken than found for Coleman. If this was a fair process as you claim, why have they halted the challenges and left hundred of ballots out of the counts? Why DIDNT they do that before Franken took a lead? If it was a fair process, ALL ballots would be counted and reviewed. But that's not what is happening. And that's WHY there will be a lawsuit. And it's also WHY the Dems in the Senate lead by Schumer want Franken seated as fast as possible. They know it's harder to overturn if he takes the seat. So Coleman will now file his lawsuits to get more votes counted. Which he should do. It's simply too arbitrary and sneaky to count some but not all. Especially when doing so changes the outcome from election night and the recount of that result. If Franken wants all the ballots to count, why is he not saying that anymore? Hmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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