Burgold Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 To me, ironically, I believe in the traditional conservative stance. This isn't a government issue. It's a personal issue. Two people getting married doesn't impact me. It doesn't harm me. If there's love and they won't that formalized, I think that's cool. On the other hand, I do consider marriage a spiritual or religious issue. You can't be married unless you are bound by a spiritual/holy connection. What that means is that the government ought to be out of the marriage business, but that the church, temple, mosque, synogogue etc. need step up. If they want to perform the ceremony more power to the people. If they don't. Well, then live your life in sin even if it is in love. As for the hospital and inheritance stuff. That is trickier, but there should be a way to resolve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Exactly, I think most people don't realize that if a someone is in the ICU then most times their partner cannot see them, because the are not immediate family. What's more is that many states have common law marriages, which is simply a legal issue with no religious undertones, so my question becomes, why are heterosexual couples given common law status, but not equally committed homosexual couples? Agreed ,there are many issues that simply reverting to the exclusive use of civil unions (for all) would address w/o offending most religious sensibilities. Of course common law marriages and civil unions will come with added burdens for same sex couples...just as it does for straights. Bring on the equal under the law:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Say you have been with somebody for 30 years and they are lying in a hospital bed dieing. You would have no right to see them. What the **** does that have to do with anything? Of course you could see someone you've been with that long. Here's a question that always gets me. At what point did you look in the mirror and say, "I really want to kiss that dude with my tongue."? How does that happen? I found out that I wasn't gay when I had a gay profess his love for me and want to take me home. It was a little fuzzy after that for a while, but I remember being dizzy and running away like I had just encountered big foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Agreed ,there are many issues that simply reverting to the exclusive use of civil unions (for all) would address w/o offending most religious sensibilities.Of course common law marriages and civil unions will come with added burdens for same sex couples...just as it does for straights. Bring on the equal under the law:D :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 What the **** does that have to do with anything? Of course you could see someone you've been with that long. The problem is that as it stands now they simply do not have that right. Here's a question that always gets me. At what point did you look in the mirror and say, "I really want to kiss that dude with my tongue."? How does that happen? I found out that I wasn't gay when I had a gay profess his love for me and want to take me home. It was a little fuzzy after that for a while, but I remember being dizzy and running away like I had just encountered big foot. I'm not even sure how to respond to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 What the **** does that have to do with anything? Of course you could see someone you've been with that long. Here's a question that always gets me. At what point did you look in the mirror and say, "I really want to kiss that dude with my tongue."? How does that happen? I found out that I wasn't gay when I had a gay profess his love for me and want to take me home. It was a little fuzzy after that for a while, but I remember being dizzy and running away like I had just encountered big foot. I hear you there. Finding a guy attractive is plain ****ed up, but so some of the **** I do to my girlfriend. The reason you and I don't "get it" is because we aren't gay. It's also not who you want to have sex with, it's who you fall in love with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudechain Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 I see I pwn3d myself in the previous post. :doh: ahahaAnyway, the same cannot be said about kids who have fat parents or black kids. There isn't the same stigma and controversy as growing up with black parents (which isn't even a stigma). And this is America, everyone is fat. I think that a child should have the love of a mother and father instead of two males. I think its important for development to have a mother and father. If you can show me evidence that shows the same with two males or a guy growing up with two moms i'd be happy to read it. Having a mom and dad is important for the babies social growth as well as early stages when the brain is getting wired. Well you want and example and I can give you one. I myself was raised by my mother and her lover. ( yes my mother is gay) I still had contact with my father and still had male role models while growing up. I did not get teased because my mother is gay. Sure some asked questions, but I never felt I was teased or treated unfair because of my mother's sexual orientation. The most important tasks in parenting are love, guidance and encouragement. None of those are affected by sexual orientation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 I found out that I wasn't gay when I had a gay profess his love for me and want to take me home. It was a little fuzzy after that for a while, but I remember being dizzy and running away like I had just encountered big foot. Date rape drug?...I hate when that happens ASF,I'm never at a loss:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Say you have been with somebody for 30 years and they are lying in a hospital bed dieing. You would have no right to see them.Not true. One would assume that power of attorney has been assigned to the partner. There are many mechanisms that unmarried couples (most of whom are hetero) can employ to maintain control over their relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 To me, ironically, I believe in the traditional conservative stance. This isn't a government issue. It's a personal issue. Two people getting married doesn't impact me. It doesn't harm me. If there's love and they won't that formalized, I think that's cool. On the other hand, I do consider marriage a spiritual or religious issue. You can't be married unless you are bound by a spiritual/holy connection. What that means is that the government ought to be out of the marriage business, but that the church, temple, mosque, synogogue etc. need step up. If they want to perform the ceremony more power to the people. If they don't. Well, then live your life in sin even if it is in love. As for the hospital and inheritance stuff. That is trickier, but there should be a way to resolve it. So Atheists can't be married? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 So Atheists can't be married? Obviously not in the eyes of God....or that's what they tell themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Not true. One would assume that power of attorney has been assigned to the partner. There are many mechanisms that unmarried couples (most of whom are hetero) can employ to maintain control over their relationship. But can't the family then refuse them, if they want, leaving the partner powerless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 But can't the family then refuse them, if they want, leaving the partner powerless? If the patient has granted power of attorney there is no way to overrule it(except in court) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Date rape drug?...I hate when that happens ASF,I'm never at a loss:D Naaa, I was working in Costa Rica and every night all my friends would go to this casino nightclub to drink, gamble, dance and get hookers. (woo hoo) There was a bar tender that walked right around the bar and told me he'd been watching me for weeks and couldn't keep it to himself and was wondering if I would like to go home with him. That was the first time in my life that kind of thing happened. I didn't know whether to **** or go blind. I did freak out. I didn't hit him or anything. I just looked like a giant spider landed on me. I was mortified and flattered all at the same time. My best friend was laying out in two barstools with tears flowing down his checks laughing. I guess the look on my face was more then he could handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 So Atheists can't be married? Nope. They shouldn't get married. Now there's no reason why they can't have a civil union, but the term marriage to me has religious/spirtual connotations and if you are going to be bound by those vows or within that tradition, then you ought to buy into it and those performing ought to buy into you. See, gays should get married, but atheists shouldn't. How's that for a pickle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Naaa, I was working in Costa Rica and every night all my friends would go to this casino nightclub to drink, gamble, dance and get hookers. (woo hoo) There was a bar tender that walked right around the bar and told me he'd been watching me for weeks and couldn't keep it to himself and was wondering if I would like to go home with him. That was the first time in my life that kind of thing happened. I didn't know whether to **** or go blind. I did freak out. I didn't hit him or anything. I just looked like a giant spider landed on me. I was mortified and flattered all at the same time. My best friend was laying out in two barstools with tears flowing down his checks laughing. I guess the look on my face was more then he could handle. Are you sure you just ain't in denial and suppressing memories? ols ...seriously I know how ya feel, I get hit on quite a bit(the wife has a fun with it)...it's hell to be so attractive added it makes ya wonder if you are unconsciously sending out some signal....is there some kind of secret code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Nope. They shouldn't get married. Now there's no reason why they can't have a civil union, but the term marriage to me has religious/spirtual connotations and if you are going to be bound by those vows or within that tradition, then you ought to buy into it and those performing ought to buy into you.See, gays should get married, but atheists shouldn't. How's that for a pickle! Ohhhh Burgold, you just stirred up a whole new bag of ****. This thread just got guaranteed to go 5 more pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 But can't the family then refuse them, if they want, leaving the partner powerless?I am not a lawyer. I am sure that power of attorney could be contested in any case. But the family could not simply "refuse" or "deny" it without fighting it in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 I am not a lawyer. I am sure that power of attorney could be contested in any case. But the family could not simply "refuse" or "deny" it without fighting it in court. Didn't know that. I know there are plenty of other reasons. The entire point I make and it's enough for me, is this, Religion and Government shouldn't mix, especially to deny equal rights to Americans. Marriage should be the big novelty and Civil Unions should be the beef of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 See, gays should get married, but atheists shouldn't. How's that for a pickle! You might laugh, but in the Ireland of my youth the definition of a 'mixed marriage' was between a Catholic and Protestant. In the USA 'mixed marriage' meant black and white, and in San Francisco 'mixed marriage' meant between a man and a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Well you want and example and I can give you one. I myself was raised by my mother and her lover. ( yes my mother is gay)I still had contact with my father and still had male role models while growing up. I did not get teased because my mother is gay. Sure some asked questions, but I never felt I was teased or treated unfair because of my mother's sexual orientation. The most important tasks in parenting are love, guidance and encouragement. None of those are affected by sexual orientation. and for another example of proof.... http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=5793267#post5793267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 and for another example of proof....http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=5793267#post5793267 That's not proof that Rude has a gay mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81artmonk Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 The sole purpose of marriage is not procreation, as you seem to think it is. What about infertile straight couples? What about Larry's dear old grandmother?(this has been said before, but you don't seem to get the point) You could at least try to hide your bigotry :whoknows: Your arguement is so full of crap it isn't even funny. But I expect that from people like you and larry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81artmonk Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 i've generally resisted bashing you until this point. your post is completely devoid of logic and instead full of misguided bigotry. funny, you should say that, since I feel the same way about most others posts opposing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81artmonk Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 That have nothing to do with the 24 hour a day job they have agreed to do.You must hate the blow job then, right? Putting the thing you tinkle with, where she complains from isn't natural either. (But it sure feels natural) :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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