Corcaigh Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 If you're Christian, Jesus states in the Bible that marriage is between a man and woman. If you want to check, I think it's in Mark:10 What does it say about divorce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 :rotflmao:It's unfortunete that the rules on this board don't allow me to express my true feelings about you and your opinions, but my mother told me that if I had nothing good to say to be quiet and thus I shall. Right. You prefer to simply restrict yourself to advertising your irrational hatred for entire groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 What does it say about divorce? Haha nice one. Also, ask him which parts of the Bible were written by Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Looks like ES has spoken: 144 say yes 171 (collectively) say no to marriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Looks like ES has spoken:144 say yes 171 (collectively) say no to marriage You could look at it the other way too and include civil unions in are a good solution that doesn't infringe on gay right, in which case yes is the overwhelming favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
81artmonk Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 You could look at it the other way too and include civil unions in are a good solution that doesn't infringe on gay right, in which case yes is the overwhelming favorite. BUt that is the issue. Here in cali they can get civil unions and have all the rights of married couples. Ie, adoption,wills,health benefits, ect. They don't want that, they want total acceptance, regardless of what other people think. It's kinda like Palestinians. They say they want land, yet when it's offered to them, they deny it and keep up the fighting. Point is, they want society to accept them totally and when that doesn't occur, they protest and cry foul. What I find very interesting, is that prop 8 wasn't about denying gays marriage, but rather defining marriage and what people want marriage to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 BUt that is the issue. Here in cali they can get civil unions and have all the rights of married couples. Ie, adoption,wills,health benefits, ect.They don't want that, they want total acceptance, regardless of what other people think. It's kinda like Palestinians. They say they want land, yet when it's offered to them, they deny it and keep up the fighting. Point is, they want society to accept them totally and when that doesn't occur, they protest and cry foul. What I find very interesting, is that prop 8 wasn't about denying gays marriage, but rather defining marriage and what people want marriage to be. I was under the impression that prop 8 banned gay marriage as well as civil unions, or whatever you want to call them. And according to cnn, prop 8 was labelled on the website "Ban on Gay Marriage." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 ok man up........ who here finds girl on girl porn revolting disgustin and vile...... or do you like it? save me the porn is vile responses.......... someone and probably many here need to stop and think about what it means to be A HYPOCRIT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 ok man up........ who here finds girl on girl porn revolting disgustin and vile...... or do you like it?save me the porn is vile responses.......... someone and probably many here need to stop and think about what it means to be A HYPOCRIT!! Hahaha interesting way of looking at it... I think it would certainly weed a few people out. Its amazing how many people there are that are completely revolted by gay men but don't have a problem with gay women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 hey Joe ,what does porn have to do with marriage? Is it a instructional video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 hey Joe ,what does porn have to do with marriage?Is it a instructional video? no it is the fact that many disagree with gay marriage because they think it is an abomination ..... yet they download or buy girl on girl porn to get their rocks off... statistically speaking..... there are a few here who may need to stfu and keep their self righteous opinions to themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddys little skins fan Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I hate that no one ever seems to have real valid arguments against gay marriage without citing religious reasons. Religious foundations are fine for personal decisions about your life, but how are you going to impose that on a whole and very diverse country? Besides... Paul was the one who said a man should not lie with another man... and Paul never even meet Jesus. I have faith in God, not Paul. Besides... all of this was written along with other rules such as not wearing wool and linen together or growing corns and beans in the same place. now that's some valid ****. pshhh. really? If we listened to everything the bible said, I wouldn't be able to touch food during "that time of the month" because it would spoil. Just FYI... that doesn't actually happen. One main reason homosexuality was so frowned upon was really due to the fact that it would require one man to take on the role of a women, and women were so low in society that this was incredibly disgraceful. Not because men hated gays... because men hated women. Just a few fun facts. :2cents: The Bible and Sexual Ethics is a pretty informative class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 The Bible and Sexual Ethics is a pretty informative class... College is fun, ain't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Besides... all of this was written along with other rules such as not wearing wool and linen together or growing corns and beans in the same place. now that's some valid ****. pshhh. really? .. wool and linen = static electricity corn and beans grown in the same soil depleat the soil of minerals so that neither will grow.... just a few more fun facts............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddys little skins fan Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 wool and linen = static electricity corn and beans grown in the same soil depleat the soil of minerals so that neither will grow.... just a few more fun facts............... i'm down with some static electricity... I'd like to see how you feel in an all-wool outfit... itchy as hell... I'll take a static shock any day. And corn and beans grow well together. the Corn's height and stability is good for the beans' vines to wrap around. I'd like to see some proof of this mineral depleation you speak of... never the less... i can't bring myself to believe i'd go to hell for either of these offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 i'm down with some static electricity... I'd like to see how you feel in an all-wool outfit... itchy as hell... I'll take a static shock any day.And corn and beans grow well together. the Corn's height and stability is good for the beans' vines to wrap around. I'd like to see some proof of this mineral depleation you speak of... never the less... i can't bring myself to believe i'd go to hell for either of these offenses. corn and beans grow well side by side..... not together.... i see you are from missouri.... i am originally from south of decatur illinois..... been all thorugh MO and never seen beans and corn in the same field....... plus the corn would shadow the beans causing slow growth...... hence they are always in adjecent fields.... and it was explained to me from my great uncle who fed this country and europe after the great war...... just what he said...... cant prove it.... im from a farming german family..... 3rd generation american.... yes i have worn plenty of wool..... i was in the navy naw i dont believe you go to hell for those offenses..... i believe you go to hell for intent.... not action..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddys little skins fan Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 corn and beans grow well side by side..... not together.... i see you are from missouri.... i am originally from south of decatur illinois..... been all thorugh MO and never seen beans and corn in the same field....... plus the corn would shadow the beans causing slow growth...... hence they are always in adjecent fields.... and it was explained to me from my great uncle who fed this country and europe after the great war...... just what he said...... cant prove it....im from a farming german family..... 3rd generation american.... yes i have worn plenty of wool..... i was in the navy naw i dont believe you go to hell for those offenses..... i believe you go to hell for intent.... not action..... Well... I don't really care about beans or corn, to be honest. and I am most certainly NOT NOT NOT from Missouri. I just go to school here. I'm from Maryland, 20 miles outside D.C. And I'll bet ya you wore some cotton underwear on at least one occasion with those wool uniforms... SINNER. and i don't really understand your intent and not action claim... i'm pretty sure if you're gonna burn for intending to do something, you're most certainly gonna burn if you follow through. but never the less... if i go to hell (which i don't think i will) then I'll just party with all my gay, muslim, jewish, and multi-fabric wearing friends... It'll be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 and i don't really understand your intent and not action claim... i'm pretty sure if you're gonna burn for intending to do something, you're most certainly gonna burn if you follow through. but never the less... if i go to hell (which i don't think i will) then I'll just party with all my gay, muslim, jewish, and multi-fabric wearing friends... It'll be okay. if you kill someone accidently .... do you go to hell for it? if you kill someone because you intended to...... hellbound...baby.... yup we will all party at RFK in the sky........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddys little skins fan Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 if you kill someone accidently .... do you go to hell for it?if you kill someone because you intended to...... hellbound...baby.... yup we will all party at RFK in the sky........... When I wear cotton with my wool... it's most definitely on purpose. And I'm okay with that. All wool outfits are just silly and uncomfortable. God must have some sort of practical side. haha. ... and what if someone accidentally becomes gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvtheSkins428 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I'm all for gay marriage. My personal opinion is that its not my right to tell you what to do with your body and your love life. And if you feel that being married is the final step to signifying your love for someone then I feel you should be allowed to do it. Gay or straight.Vote 1 for gay marriage! Agreed for the same reasons. Also, how in the world does it impact me and my life if two homosexuals down the street get married? It doesn't. And who am I to stand in the way of their happiness? It's so unfair to them. The motivating factors for marriage should be love and fidelity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvtheSkins428 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I have no strong opinion on it.My only thoughts are that kids shouldn't be raised by gays or lesbians which is why I am against them adopting. I know there are probably cases where the kids turned out completely normal but still, I think that most kids will have some problems developmentally. I do not think it should be normalized, as HH said. I believe they are born gay and it certainly isn't a choice, but if it were "normal" the species would be in decline. Not true. I know a woman raised by two gay men. No developmental issues there. She's one one of the most intelligent, kind, and cultured individuals I know. And she's hetero. Gay parents don't equal disfunctional children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddys little skins fan Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Not true. I know a woman raised by two gay men. No developmental issues there. She's one one of the most intelligent, kind, and cultured individuals I know. And she's hetero. Gay parents don't equal disfunctional children. I agree. If anything, the children will turn out far more open minded and accepting of all people. I've known a couple people who were also raised by homosexual partners and just as you said, they developed into fine individuals. I can't say that I've seen one case yet in which someone raised in that atmosphere has had developmental problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 I hate that no one ever seems to have real valid arguments against gay marriage without citing religious reasons. Religious foundations are fine for personal decisions about your life, but how are you going to impose that on a whole and very diverse country?Just a few fun facts. :2cents: The Bible and Sexual Ethics is a pretty informative class... The most obvious secular argument is it is clearly not needed. Marriage was primarily used to strengthen the family structure and aid in raising the next generation throughout history...a basic building block of society and beneficial to it's survival. Now clearly their are old people and barren couples and of course some that simply choose not to have kids, but that is clearly not the norm ...nor is marriage a need or a real benefit to society in such cases. The question you need to ask is what is the compelling need for same sex marriage that I can convince :)others to endorse it. Never forget you (or supporters )are in the position of changing opinion and presenting evidence to change the status quo. Insulting the religious, or those apathetic, is NOT a good way to get their support....Which is necessary Take a look here for tips http://www.newamerica.net/blog/blockbuster-democracy/2008/prop-8-opponents-shold-stop-criticizing-people-their-religion-7934 Glad you are enjoying college:cheers:, I hope you look deeper than The Bible and Sexual Ethics;)...it is a start,but there is much more to those issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 The most obvious secular argument is it is clearly not needed.Marriage was primarily used to strengthen the family structure and aid in raising the next generation throughout history...a basic building block of society and beneficial to it's survival. Now clearly their are old people and barren couples and of course some that simply choose not to have kids, but that is clearly not the norm ...nor is marriage a need or a real benefit to society in such cases. The question you need to ask is what is the compelling need for same sex marriage that I can convince :)others to endorse it. Marriage is about much more than having kids; it is an economic partnership as well. Married couples are taxed as a single entity, allowing a working spouse to be taxed at a lower rate if the other spouse does not earn much income. Spouses can also start businesses together and be taxed in lower brackets. The law also provides easy vehicles for spouses to share ownership in property, open joint bank accounts, and provide for intestate succession in the event of a death. In many ways, it's about economic efficiency. The family is the basic economic and social unit of our society, and marriage is the legal mechanism that binds a family together. Marriages and families form the basis for our communities, for our businesses, and very much define our society. If we believe that marriage and family are good things for the country, I don't see why we would want to deny it to gays. From an economic standpoint, a homosexual couple is not really much different from a heterosexual couple. Civil marriage is really a bundle of contracts and rights that states have created out of convenience. Gays can access almost all those rights through private contract, and states are increasingly providing the same benefits through civil unions, but there are some things (like federal taxes) that can't be changed through civil unions. And where heterosexual couples get a nice standardzied set of rules for marriage and divorce just through the laws we already have, a homosexual couple would likely have to hire a lawyer to set up all the same conveniences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddys little skins fan Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Glad you are enjoying college:cheers:, I hope you look deeper than The Bible and Sexual Ethics;)...it is a start,but there is much more to those issues While I can see the value of the utilitarian side of your argument... it gives absolutely no respect towards individuals that might fall in the minority of being homosexual. Might they desire to have this symbolic commitment, just as hetero couples do? Human beings are not means in which to manipulate to reach a "norm". It doesn't matter if someone falls in the "norm" or not, they still have intrinsic value. It is saying that placeing value in each individual is not needed in a society. I just happen to disagree. And if you're characterizing elders, people who are barren, or couples who simply chose not to have children as falling out of the "norm" as you have described, are you justifying that they don't deserve the right to marriage either? You don't have to be so condescending towards me; I'm just trying to have a conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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