IbleedBnG83 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/sports/giants/jacobs_has_to_tiptoe_in_defeat_133502.htm Despite having a breakout game last week with the first two touchdown catches of his career, WR Sinorice Moss was inactive, but rookie WR Mario Manningham was in uniform. Was Moss inactive because a trade is in the works? The deadline is today at 4 p.m. . . . Rumors persist that the Giants are one of the teams most interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez. The Giants have reportedly offered a sixth-round pick; the Chiefs are asking for a No. 2 and No. 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMarco Murray 29 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I don't see why the Chiefs would just dump Gonzo. For the 2nd and 4th I would do it, but I wouldn't settle for what you don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWUeagleMD Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 2 and a 4 is ridiculous for a player of that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 a trade for 2 and a 4 for Gonzalez would have to be done with a mask and a gun, because that's highway robbery. Sinorice Moss for Gonzalez is very "eh" for me. I wouldn't do it, but maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNabbOwnsFedEx Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 As and Eagles fan, i'd give up a 3 no problem(just because we have 2 1's next year), but a 2 and a 4 is insane for a 32 year old TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 As and Eagles fan, i'd give up a 3 no problem(just because we have 2 1's next year), but a 2 and a 4 is insane for a 32 year old TE. Matt McCoy 2nd round Sean Considine 4th round Just saying... Gonzo still has some game in him, and for an Andy Reid team that throws the ball two times out of every set of downs, I think he would be a great fit. Does he get you to the Superbowl? No. But he probably gets you to the paloffs. Besides, it isn't going to be a 2nd and a 4th. It'll probably be a third, which the Eagles should give up (even if it means egg on their face for the franchise tag of LJ) They have a ton of cap room to pay Gonzalez with this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWUeagleMD Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Matt McCoy 2nd roundSean Considine 4th round Or, Desean Jackson and Todd Herremans. Missed past draft picks do not change the objective value of a future draft pick. For instance, had the Redskins kept their second round pick this year, the goal would be to not draft another version of Taylor Jacobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 ESPN had an article saying TJ Housh and Roy Williams might only command a second round pick in a trade because they're both free agents. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3642190 Remember when Vinny offered two firsts for Chad Johnson before the season started? The only thing more dumb than that was the Bengals turning it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Or, Desean Jackson and Todd Herremans. Herremans has proven serviceable. Jackson has a lot to prove in many people's view. Those players do not have the impact Gonzalez would have on the team. Maybe Jackson, but he's a rookie and still can't run the routes Andy wants him to yet. Hasn't proven to be durable yet as well. But that's not my point. You guess on draft picks. With FA, barring injury, you know what you have. Hey, I hope the Eagles stay away from him, because he makes the team much more competitive. But the eagles talent evaluation is suspect as of late, what with trying to fit square pegs into round holes. DT to FB, RB to FB, DE to LB, last year's punt return situation. Maybe a 2nd and 4th is too much, like I said, but with the Eagles and the TE situation...I think you owe it to the team to consider it. It's not like Brent Celek is even remotely ready for the job full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyfootball Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Maybe a 2nd and 4th is too much, like I said, but with the Eagles and the TE situation...I think you owe it to the team to consider it. It's not like Brent Celek is even remotely ready for the job full time. I considered it and would be happy to have him, but unfortunately AR is not taking my calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaLLaHaN Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Chiefs to keep Gonzalez, other vets By Jason Cole ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – Kansas City Chiefs president Carl Peterson gave every indication that his team will not be making a deal in the final hours before the NFL trade deadline of 4 p.m. ET, Tuesday. "No, nada, nothing, zero," Peterson said, from the fall owners meetings, when asked if he had any possible deals for some of his high-priced veterans. TE Tony Gonzalez, RB Larry Johnson and CB Patrick Surtain have all been rumored to be on the trading block for the Chiefs, who are in rebuilding mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Good. Giants thought they could send some BS to KC and they'd bite. Only 10 more minutes left in the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWUeagleMD Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Herremans has proven serviceable. Jackson has a lot to prove in many people's view. Those players do not have the impact Gonzalez would have on the team. Maybe Jackson, but he's a rookie and still can't run the routes Andy wants him to yet. Hasn't proven to be durable yet as well. But that's not my point.You guess on draft picks. With FA, barring injury, you know what you have. Hey, I hope the Eagles stay away from him, because he makes the team much more competitive. But the eagles talent evaluation is suspect as of late, what with trying to fit square pegs into round holes. DT to FB, RB to FB, DE to LB, last year's punt return situation. Maybe a 2nd and 4th is too much, like I said, but with the Eagles and the TE situation...I think you owe it to the team to consider it. It's not like Brent Celek is even remotely ready for the job full time. Questions of the Eagles' talent evaluation have nothing to do with the value of a 2nd and 4th round pick. That's my point. Draft picks have value, even when the player drafted is a failure, because of the potential they present. The upside of Tony Gonzalez is that we add a great 34 year old to a team that isn't good enough to contend for anything that matters regardless of who is playing tight end. A 2nd and 4th rounder would be a miserable trade for this team. While I realize that more than anything in the world you aspire to cast doubt on every decision ever made, or that ever will be made, by the Philadelphia Eagles, let's be real about the two players I mentioned. Todd Herremans has been a starter for three years and is currently playing the best football of his career. He's also a valuable backup at LT, the second most important position on a football team. Desean Jacksons' productivity speaks for itself. He's a great football player, the best we've drafted at any position since Brian Westbrook, and the best player drafted by any team in the NFC East this year. Be real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Thank God this wasn't done..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flycoach Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/sports/giants/jacobs_has_to_tiptoe_in_defeat_133502.htmDespite having a breakout game last week with the first two touchdown catches of his career, WR Sinorice Moss was inactive, but rookie WR Mario Manningham was in uniform. Was Moss inactive because a trade is in the works? The deadline is today at 4 p.m. . . . Rumors persist that the Giants are one of the teams most interested in trading for Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez. The Giants have reportedly offered a sixth-round pick; the Chiefs are asking for a No. 2 and No. 4. No way the Giants give up a 2nd and 4th for him. He's past his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 No way the Giants give up a 2nd and 4th for him. He's past his prime. ....and it's past the deadline. No worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 While I realize that more than anything in the world you aspire to cast doubt on every decision ever made, or that ever will be made, by the Philadelphia Eagles Yes, my hate for the Eagles is well known, but it seems that Mort was dialed into the Eagles inquiring about Gonzalez, so it was a rumor, but Mort usually gets good information. And relax, I never said he was worth a 2nd and a 4th, just that he was a good fit, and they should explore it. As for the Eagles talent evaluation: it went down when Banner and the now elevated Howie Roseman got involved in the mix. Pencil pushers should not be involved in player evaluation. Period. They are placating Reid and his efforts to force fit players into his system. No real FB? No problem, just use this RB or better yet a DT. No punt returner going into the season? Lets give Greg Lewis a shot. LB? Nahh, I like this undersized DE out of a small school. Good motor, lol. Wait, I finally got a possibility at Strong side LB. Nahhh. Lets stick him in the middle, because... well, just because. [ahem]And we don't really have anyone else[ahem] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OWUeagleMD Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Yes, my hate for the Eagles is well known, but it seems that Mort was dialed into the Eagles inquiring about Gonzalez, so it was a rumor, but Mort usually gets good information.And relax, I never said he was worth a 2nd and a 4th, just that he was a good fit, and they should explore it. As for the Eagles talent evaluation: it went down when Banner and the now elevated Howie Roseman got involved in the mix. Pencil pushers should not be involved in player evaluation. Period. They are placating Reid and his efforts to force fit players into his system. No real FB? No problem, just use this RB or better yet a DT. No punt returner going into the season? Lets give Greg Lewis a shot. LB? Nahh, I like this undersized DE out of a small school. Good motor, lol. Wait, I finally got a possibility at Strong side LB. Nahhh. Lets stick him in the middle, because... well, just because. [ahem]And we don't really have anyone else[ahem] You should have noticed by now that I've yet to argue that the Eagles are a good team or that the Eagles current front office is good at its job. Frankly, we have a second-rate roster and there's no reason to believe that we'll be better than that in the next five years. I watch games on Sundays now the way Red Sox fans watch Pawtucket. We are irrelevant, no other way to look at it. All I said was that trading for Tony Gonzalez would be a waste of draft picks since, with or without him, we will be a .500 team or worse. I love how much you revel in the dysfunction and inferiority of the Eagles front office while rooting for the Washington Redskins. It's a nice lesson in how incapable fans are of having any real perspective, even intelligent fans like yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I love how much you revel in the dysfunction and inferiority of the Eagles front office while rooting for the Washington Redskins. It's a nice lesson in how incapable fans are of having any real perspective, even intelligent fans like yourself. I have no choice in owners or front office, and I have been pretty clear that I think some of the moves in the last few years have been hhorrible. Archuletta, Lloyd, Pierce, Dockery, overpaying for Randel-el. So I know the skins have problems. But when the Eagles have problems, or the Cowboys or Giants flail, it makes me happy. It is possible for both teams to have problems, just different problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 They have a ton of cap room to pay Gonzalez with this year. Wha'? The Beagles with a ton of cap room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHendrix Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I have no choice in owners or front office, and I have been pretty clear that I think some of the moves in the last few years have been hhorrible. Archuletta, Lloyd, Pierce, Dockery, overpaying for Randel-el. So I know the skins have problems.But when the Eagles have problems, or the Cowboys or Giants flail, it makes me happy. It is possible for both teams to have problems, just different problems. Like most franchises, they have made good choices as well as bad. I think the overall good is outweighing the bad right now. The same can be said about the other teams in our div for the most part. They are not the Lions of today or the Bungles of the 90s, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Gonzalez would have been a good fit for either the Giants or the Eagles. While the Eagles are often called cheap, it is the Giants GM who has shown great thriftiness the past 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Gonzalez is pissed that KC didn't accept Green Bay's 3rd rounder for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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