bulldog Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 what it really comes down to in the end result is the Redskins simply failed to find a consistent passer over the past number of years and that is the reason the team's performances did not reflect the margin of talent that was evident at other positions. Portis, Cooley and Moss have been here since 2004 and 2005. So has Ladell Betts. These players stats are now among the conference leaders because the triggerman is playing the same kind of mistake-free opportunistic ball that Joe Theismann showed in 1982. When the Redskins have received solid quarterback play, from Brad Johnson in the 1999 season and from Brunell in 2005 the team has made the playoffs and advanced past the first round. For the most part, though, you look back at players such as Tony Banks, Jeff George, Shane Matthews, Danny Wuerffel, and the degraded Brunell of 2006 and you don't have a difficult time seeing how from the outside in the Redskins were not looked at as a serious contender. Quarterback is the most important position on the field. Despite Gibbs winning Super Bowls with 3 different quarterbacks the fact remains that in 1982-83 Theismann was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Mark Rypien was the pro bowl starter in 1991 with 28 touchdowns and only 11 interceptions. Washington might not have had a HOF quarterback like Montana or Brett Favre, but in those certain seasons the stats were largely the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 So what your saying is.....Jason Campbell is the ****ing man?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Campbell was always a beast. He just needed someone to fine tune him and unleash the beast out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr1 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 O-Line and D-Line are much more important...not that a good qb isn't important. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLandry Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 It's such a huge breath of fresh air from the Patrick Ramsey days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 O-Line and D-Line are much more important...not that a good qb isn't important.:2cents: QFT. Without the line, none of the other positions matter. Gibbs I had the Hogs and very under-rated D-lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnativenerd Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Amen, tr. Games are won the in the trenches. Lest we forget that we had crappy O and D lines in those years between Johnson and Brunell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Campbell is being allowed to be a starting QB and not being held back to minimize mistakes. IMO he was hesitant because of a fear of messing up. Now he has confidence and has been told he's the starter and he's not playing scared. In the miltary we train to react not think. Up until now that's what Campbell was doing, thinking. Now I see a guy out there reacting to pressure, open recievers and playing with his gut and not with his head. Face it, when you've been playing a game as long as he has he obviously knows what to do. Now all he has to do is do it and have fun. For God sake have some freakig fun! For the record, winning is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Also, can anyone name me throws made by JC that were almost picked off? Either throws have been on target or just missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sorry but a decent line and a great Quarterback is better then a great line and a decent quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEavyJumbo85 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sorry but a decent line and a great Quarterback is better then a great line and a decent quarterback. you don't win championships unless both are playing great at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan035 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 You need a coach who mixes up the plays too and isn't so conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 you don't win championships unless both are playing great at the same time. Trent Dilfer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flycoach Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Not trying to be a smart *****, but you're stating the obvious: QB is the most important position in the NFL. IMO, the only exception is a SUPERIOR DEFENSE that can overcome either QB mistakes or the offense not scoring points (See 2000 Ravens or '85 Bears). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 In JC we trust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkekoa Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Actually, it is the playcaller. He has actually allowed JC to flourish which has caused teams to take the 8th man out of the box and not Portis is killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomE Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 As always, there is no simple answer. Excellent QB play will elevate production of all on the offense. Excellent line play will allow good QB and RB production. Excellent defense will allow teams to stay in the game and win by fieldgoals. Excellent playcalling will only work if there is proper execution. Excellent execution in all phases wins championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Trent Dilfer? tuche:notworthy:applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=128319 Don't worry, I take it as a compliment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Look at the QBs who have won Super Bowls since 1990: 1990-Phil Simms -Very solid career. Not a HOFer, but a very good QB. 1991-Mark Rypien -Not the best career but was great for a short time. 1992, 93, and 95-Troy Aikman -HOFer. 1994-Steve Young -HOFer. 1996-Brett Favre -HOFer. 1997 and 98-John Elway -HOFer. 1999-Kurt Warner -Great but short career including a couple of MVPs. 2000-Trent Dilfer -The only real exception to the rule. 2001, 03, and 04-Tom Brady -Future HOFer. 2002-Brad Johnson. -Very solid QB for a long time. See Phil Simms. 2005-Ben Roethlisberger -Still young but has established himself as one of the top QBs in the game already. 2006-Peyton Manning -Future HOFer. 2007-Eli Manning -Inconsistent in the regular season but was great during the Giants playoff run. It's ALL about the QBs. Get a great QB and your chances go way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Trent Dilfer? Absolutely. Dilfer had arguably his best season. Did he win any awards? No. Did he play poor? No. He played mediocre, and his O-line let him do so. He's a poor QB. But, let's make no mistakes, the Defense won that SB. So, the point is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethe cowboys Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 It's such a huge breath of fresh air from the Patrick Ramsey days. For real, but I love how everyone was hating on JC back in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 It's ALL about the QBs. Get a great QB and your chances go way up. Abso-freakinlutely! Three things about Dilfer though, to those who like to bring him up. 1- The Ravens were dead in the water that season with Tony Banks. It wasn't until Trent took over that they made their run. 2- Dilfer had a very good season that year. 3- Even if you think Dilfer is garbage- fine. You worry about the exception to the rule, the rest of us will worry about the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Abso-freakinlutely!Three things about Dilfer though, to those who like to bring him up. 1- The Ravens were dead in the water that season with Tony Banks. It wasn't until Trent took over that they made their run. 2- Dilfer had a very good season that year. 3- Even if you think Dilfer is garbage- fine. You worry about the exception to the rule, the rest of us will worry about the rule. So I"m confused, is it the O-line, the QB, or both? Are you suggesting the O-line was poor? Or, are you suggesting that TBank (yeah, I made it up) was really, really poor. The lines are getting blurred here. We all know Dilfer wasn't a great QB. Hell, he wasn't that good. Can we all agree if you have a defense that nobody's seen for almost 20 years that it trumps all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sorry but a decent line and a great Quarterback is better then a great line and a decent quarterback. Trent Dilfer? you just argued with yourself. i guess you won and lost. as to your first post, dan marino won how many sb's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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