WVUforREDSKINS Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 :party: :dance: :party: :dance: :party: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1447675120080714?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews :wave: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. watch list of terrorism susp ects has passed 1 million records, corresponding to about 400,000 people, and a leading civil rights group said on Monday the number was far too high to be effective. The Bush administration disagreed and called the list one of the most effective tools implemented after the September 11 hijacked plane attacks -- when a federal "no-fly" list contained just 16 people considered threats to aviation. The American Civil Liberties Union publicized the 1 million milestone with a news conference and release. It said the watch list was an impediment to millions of travelers and called for changes, including tightening criteria for adding names, giving travelers a right to challenge their inclusion and improving procedures for taking wrongly included names off the list. "America's new million-record watch list is a perfect symbol for what's wrong with this administration's approach to security: it's unfair, out-of-control, a waste of resources (and) treats the rights of the innocent as an afterthought," ACLU technology director Barry Steinhardt said in a release. I hear even Hassan "tater salad" al-wazzar its on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 See? I told you folks that the war would breed more terrorists. Now there's a Million of 'em! (And this list will be really effective, since we all know that terrorists don't know about using fake ID.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 A classic that this story reminds me of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Does the 1,000,000th terrorist listed get a prize? A coupon for half off your next full body cavity search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 400,000 huh? So less than half a percent of all Muslims. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted July 16, 2008 Author Share Posted July 16, 2008 A classic that this story reminds me of. How old is that? :laugh: Hous Bin Farteen :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 "Is there any way to identify Hous Bin Farteen?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 damn i shoulda sent an email outta my yahoo account talking about bombs and things blowing up so i coulda been the 1,000,000 terrorist on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Reserved. Going to cross reference this list with ES members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted July 16, 2008 Author Share Posted July 16, 2008 Reserved.Going to cross reference this list with ES members I can't help but wonder if our very own Yusuf is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I can't help but wonder if our very own Yusuf is on. I'm interested to see which of MSF or Destino is higher on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Ah the good old list. It's a complete and utter ****ing joke. As Bruce Schneier (security guru) once commented: "Imagine a list of suspected terrorists so dangerous that we can't ever let them fly, yet so innocent that we can't arrest them - even under the draconian provisions of the Patriot Act." :laugh: And as for the Administration saying the list is a success, not a single terrorist has been caught. It's only a success if you consider harassing tourists and business travelers your objective. On ONE trip with multiple stops I was stopped and searched three times. I would like to know the logic that gave me the green light after a search for flight 1, NO search for flights two and three, but then I became a threat again for flight segments four and five? :laugh: And I can't carry a moderate sized tube of toothpaste on a plane but I can carry an automatic weapon to the mall or on a train. Yeah the no-fly list is a great idea.:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 And before anyone looks at this and sees a bunch of people whining about those dedicated people in TSA trying to protect us, consider this ... the TSA and DHS has a limited budget. It's large, but it's not unlimited. Every dollar spent on the no-fly-list-fiasco is a dollar NOT spent on trying to prevent terrorism. There are much, much better ways to spend our security dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 That number is not accurate. However either number is far too high. If my name matches a list on a terror list, of course I would be upset, however with identity theft and false identities...I would understand being put through more security at an airport or customs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 A classic that this story reminds me of. Hahahaha, I love it Larry. Perfect video for this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 If my name matches a list on a terror list, of course I would be upset, however with identity theft and false identities...I would understand being put through more security at an airport or customs. Agreed, both my kids were on that list(included in the records) Kinda humorous when one does armed security for POTUS,and the other gets to play with nukes. Better to be safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Kinda humorous when one does armed security for POTUS,and the other gets to play with nukes.Better to be safe than sorry. And I would disagree that bad security such as the no-fly list makes us safer. Stopping and searching your two kids when they already have clearance is a waste of security resources. If my house alarm goes off everytime the wind blows or a neighbor enters their house, is that good security? The no-fly list only works if we know who the terrorists are and they don't travel on fake ID. And as my earlier quote said, the million names on the no-fly list are people who are such a threat that we aren't prepared to them fly, but are not dangerous enough to be arrested. How does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Corcaigh ,there are not a million names on the active lists and if you are on one you can have it removed w/o much hassle. I agree there are better ways to eliminate terrorists and the threats,but some are too squeamish and concerned with protecting their rights. added from the link About 400,000 individuals are included on the list, about 95 percent of whom are not U.S. citizens or residents, Kolton said. The watch list also includes separate entries with aliases, fake passports and fake birth dates, bringing the total number of records to more than 1 million, he said. TSA spokesman Christopher White said the agency's "no-fly" watchlists to screen travelers were "scrubbed" last year to remove about half of the names, leaving them with somewhat fewer than 50,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I'm sure this guy's a terrorist: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/14/AR2008071401050.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 leaving them with somewhat fewer than 50,000. The report said 95% of the one million names are not US citizens. This means that 50,000 are. There are 50,000 USA citizens who are suspected terrorists? Again, they are so dangerous we can't let them board a plane, but we can't arrest them for anything? What's the criteria for getting on the list then other than having a Muslim sounding name and traveling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Ah the good old list. It's a complete and utter ****ing joke. As Bruce Schneier (security guru) once commented:"Imagine a list of suspected terrorists so dangerous that we can't ever let them fly, yet so innocent that we can't arrest them - even under the draconian provisions of the Patriot Act." :laugh: It's worse that than... Much worse. On the list who appeared at the ACLU press conference is a former assistant US atterney who worked for "another administration" and who holds a current top secret clearance. On the List is a current CNN news correstpondent who has done some stories critical of the DHS. Let's also not forget that Senator Ted Kennedy was on that list for years and only was able to get off it when the news ended up on the front page of the newspapers... He missed a flight, was not permitted to board his plane due to the fact he's was on the list. Nobody knows why folks end up on that list. Here we have a few folks who appear to have landed on the list because of political retaliations; and who have no ability to clear their name or face their accuser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 The report said 95% of the one million names are not US citizens. This means that 50,000 are. There are 50,000 USA citizens who are suspected terrorists? The report is bogus. I went to my Rugby Alum game. One of the guys there was on the list and was complaining about it... You see, People aren't on the list. Names are on the list. So if your name is Bob Jones, and that name is on the list, you are stuck. How many Bob Jones are their in the country? How many Steve Smiths, or George Washingtons? Folks "irroniously" showing up on this list are a mounting problem. I heard on CNN that 20,000 new names are added every day. Also heard it took a presidential order to take 90 year old former Nobel Peace Prize winner Nelson Mandella off that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Agreed, both my kids were on that list(included in the records)Kinda humorous when one does armed security for POTUS,and the other gets to play with nukes. Better to be safe than sorry. I think its less a question of whether you are worried about being on the list, than it is a question of whether a list of 1,000,000 people is actually useful to catching terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Corcaigh ,there are not a million names on the active lists and if you are on one you can have it removed w/o much hassle. Have you not been watching the news? Despite the fact that they have a way of removing names submission of the forms they request have not resulted in the names being removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Have you not been watching the news? Despite the fact that they have a way of removing names submission of the forms they request have not resulted in the names being removed. Destino's right. Nelson Mandella just got off that no fly list last month. It took a Presidential order. Dudes 90 years old and a former winner of the Nobel Peace Prize. I don't think it's accurate to say one can get off the list w/o much hassle. We've got a current CNN news correstpondant and a former assistant federal prosecutor on that list for years who have been unable to get off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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