ChocolateCitySkin Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 kilmer, i don't think battering ram is accurate -- the republicans have openly intertwined themselves with a religious group to assume power. and with that they have to appease their constituency by passing religiously driven policies. theres no real argument other than religious grounds for banning gay marriage or abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 theres no real argument other than religious grounds for banning gay marriage or abortion. Eh, there are moral grounds from which to object to abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 Eh, there are moral grounds from which to object to abortion. okay, how about this: stem cells that was completely religiously driven movement. were talking about freaking cells from an egg. seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLockesGhost Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 I think it's important to include being for "aggressive interrogation techniques" as well as aggressive (i.e., belligerent) foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 okay,how about this: stem cells that was completely religiously driven movement. were talking about freaking cells from an egg. seriously. Actually, there's an alternate method of retrieving stem cells that are identical to embryonic stem cells but not from the embryo. So you can get these cells without destroying an embryo which is my vote! But that's not really the point of the thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 You're not going to get much of an answer. 99% of the Republicans on here claim to be independents. Here's my honest take: Pro Iraq war - No true conservative could possibly support the cost of this effort when comared with the benefit. This mnay be a neo-con issue, but I dont feel it's true for the parties supposed core any longer. limitless tax cuts - Not tax cuts, elimination of all taxation not specific in the constitution (some would also claim prior to the 16th ammendment) limitless military funding - This is an actual constitutional role of governement. Provide for the defense of each individual. make abortion illegal - Not really supposed to be a Federal issue for any party in reality. This is a states issue (just like murder) No gay marriage - see abortion comments above. same rationale Pro-lappel pins - this is just silly anti-journalism - also silly anti-UN - anti any entangling alliances that subvert our sovergnty anti-social security - anti any taxation without representation. in this case, a useless expense for most of us. pro-gun - no, pro constitution and the specific natural rights of all. the second ammendment is supported by conservatives on equal footing with the other 9 ammendments in the bill of rights. You hear more about this one because non-conservatives try to ursurp it. pro-evangelical - not reality for the party, just happens to have evangelicals in it due to them wanting freedom of their religion. in a nut shell, a true "Republican" (in the traditional sense) is a conservative. A conservative simply wishes to live within the confines of the constitution. Almost every issue you outlined is leading to that point. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Pro nanny state. Well, so are the Democrats but at least they admit it. There is a force in our world that businessmen and politicians fear, it is called capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathartic-j Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 It means that you're part of a coalition made up primarily by the "religious right," business, and lots of white folks. However, this coalition is losing its cohesion, which is what tends to happen to most political "marriages" over time. Republicans tend to value order more than freedom, and freedom more than equality (though gun control is a notable exception to the former). Most people who call themselves "conservative but not Republican" are really libertarian, meaning that they tend to value freedom over both order and equality. Actually I forgot this addendum:3. Be pumped about Jesus, but not Jésus :laugh::laugh::laugh: That's classic. I think the "Republican Philosophy" started off as a reasonable and much needed counterbalance to hippies who took things way too far.With time it developed a number of internal inconsistencies. This happened because it was used as a political tool instead of being refined and applied as a philosophy. As expected things got bad as people who used this this mutated dishonest caricature of a once great philosophy to get elected actually had their chance to wield power. When you say the "Republican philosophy," are you referring to their specific platform, or to American conservatism in general? After all, the Republican party was in most ways more conservative than the Democratic one almost a century ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 A while back, somebody posted a pair of "Things you have to believe to be a conservative/liberal" posts. Each list had about 70 items on it, of which about half were actually "things that the opposition likes to claim that conservative/liberals believe". But each list also had 3-4 items on it that were at least partially true, and were funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Burner Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Here is all you need to know about those of us who are Conservative, Republican, or what have you... Republican/Conservative - Where the men truly like being men and the women like being women. Democrats/Liberals - Where the men want to be more like women and the women want to be more like men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad89 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I wish there was a "moderate" party. I'm more fiscally conservative, but less so socially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Here is all you need to know about those of us who are Conservative, Republican, or what have you...Republican/Conservative - Where the men truly like being men and the women like being women. Democrats/Liberals - Where the men want to be more like women and the women want to be more like men. AND THE SHEEP ARE SCARED OF LIBS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Burner Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 AND THE SHEEP ARE SCARED OF LIBS!! Sort of like lambs to the slaughter, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathartic-j Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I wish there was a "moderate" party. I'm more fiscally conservative, but less so socially. Well, compared to many major parties abroad (and compared to plenty of prominent parties in history), both of our major parties are fairly moderate. But it's definitely true that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans try particularly hard to cater to your particular combination . . . I guess Republican rhetoric tries to do so, but it's pretty clear that most people in this thread aren't buying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I wish there was a "moderate" party. I'm more fiscally conservative, but less so socially. This is where I come in Cue promotion www.libertypartyusa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad89 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Well, compared to many major parties abroad (and compared to plenty of prominent parties in history), both of our major parties are fairly moderate. But it's definitely true that neither the Democrats or Republicans try particularly hard to cater to your particular combination . . . I guess Republican rhetoric tries to do so, but it's pretty clear that most people in this thread aren't buying that. Yeah, I'm a fan of the old republican ideals. Ron Paul had some solid ideas, but was definately a little bit off of his rocker. Oh well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 I wish there was a "moderate" party. I'm more fiscally conservative, but less so socially. you, my friend, are a libertarian. welcome to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMike619 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 whatever you do though, dont have any conservative ideas or you will get tossed in here with the rest of us. muwahahahaa!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robotfire Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 republicans claim one thing and live by anotherrepublicans have become inheretly untruthful..... if they say they wont do something...... expect a year later for them to do and blame the dems as to why... f**K the republicans!! It's not that one is evil and the other is good. Both parties are guilty of everything you just said. That's one of the reasons I hate politics. Still, there are good ones on each side. For the first time in my life, I actually like both prospective candidates (Obama and McCain). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateCitySkin Posted April 1, 2008 Author Share Posted April 1, 2008 well i think gay bashing, homophobia, warmongering and xenophobia are a little bit more towards the republican side of the spectrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeknows Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Way to randomly hate when the man was asking a serious question. Not even one thread without the random hating huh. :doh: nothing random about my hate...... it is very accutely aimed at anything republican and any religeous zealot that supports them...... did that clear it up for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 nothing random about my hate...... it is very accutely aimed at anything republican and any religeous zealot that supports them......did that clear it up for you? Um, oh-tay....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Yeah, I'm a fan of the old republican ideals. Ron Paul had some solid ideas, but was definately a little bit off of his rocker. Oh well.. This is something I hear daily and still fail to understand. How can he have both solid ideas and be considered "off his rocker", when the basis for every idea is specific to the constitution, regardless of topic? I'd actually understand it more if you picked a stance..either smart or nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 This is something I hear daily and still fail to understand. How can he have both solid ideas and be considered "off his rocker", when the basis for every idea is specific to the constitution, regardless of topic?I'd actually understand it more if you picked a stance..either smart or nuts. I think many conservatives felt Ron Paul was "off his rocker" when it came to foreign policy...:whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Got to love the republican hate crew coming in as fast as their little feet could take them to give their slam version of a republican... it was cute. Republicans are the people elected: and there were 2 "conservative scoring" republicans running that split the vote letting the liberal republican to sneak through. There are liberals and conservatives with percentages up and down the spectrum. Then there are ®'s and (d)'s that do anything to keep the paychecks coming. If you doubt that, your too busy protecting YOUR side, while admonishing the other for the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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