Duncan Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-grandmother-typic_b_92601.html "... .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it..." There are so many things wrong with this statement it's hard to know where to start, but I expect to read the "typical black person" comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 It just shows that we are all hypocrites. He probably didn't even see the issue in what he said. He was generalizing. Again, we are all bigots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-grandmother-typic_b_92601.html"... .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it..." There are so many things wrong with this statement it's hard to know where to start, but I expect to read the "typical black person" comments. What's wrong with the statement? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 So it seems you're making the assumption that by using the words "typical white person" he's saying all white people are the same. Reading the context in which he used that term, though, isn't it just as likely he's saying his grandmother is typical of the kind of white person who has the specific reaction he describes to being approached on the street by a stranger of another color? Fact is, there are many such white people. Just as there are many such people of other colors that have similar reactions to the specific scenario in reverse. I'm not defending his comment or criticizing it. Just pointing out that taking the term "typical white person" totally out of context has little useful value in trying to parse what's in Obama's heart. I'm sure that won't stop anyone from taking the phrase and running with it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Wow, is it just me or is Obama starting to cripple under the pressure? Seriously, the new polls have Clinton ahead by 7 points, and it seems like the margin is going to continue to grow. I guess Obama peaked too early :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Seems to be causing some problems over at Faux News. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html :laugh: I love it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Seriously, the new polls have Clinton ahead by 7 points, and it seems like the margin is going to continue to grow. www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 um...are you cherry picking polls? As Om's link shows, that lead for Clinton isn't as believable as you portray... As for typical "White woman" commment, how many of us have family member that were from his grandmothers (or my great grandmother's) generation that didn't have racism embedded in their outlook on life? I think it goes beyond just typical "white." It's only in the last few decades that racism has even come to be noticed much less questioned. Was "typical" a bad choice of words? yes...but I still note that he talks about racism and race (typically viewed as a third rail in politics. It's high time we were able to talk about race without worrying that every thing we say will be disected by those looking to further divide...ok, I'm off my soap box (for at least a little bit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I dont care at all about these comments, but from now on he should make all comments in speech form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 It's also pretty much impossible for Hillary to win the nomination without the superdelegates basically overruling the delegates and the popular vote. If they do that, a lot of folks are going to stay home I imagine. Still a long time left, folks. Who knows what will happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brave Little Toaster Oven Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html I was going by the Gallup poll they were talking about on CBS before the game :doh: But either way, he has lost some of his lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 It's also pretty much impossible for Hillary to win the nomination without the superdelegates basically overruling the delegates and the popular vote. If they do that, a lot of folks are going to stay home I imagine. Still a long time left, folks. Who knows what will happen? :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I was going by the Gallup poll they were talking about on CBS before the game :doh: But either way, he has lost some of his lead November is a long way away. And like I said before, it is pretty much impossible for Hillary to win the nomination in a way that doesn't look unfair to a lot of people. So in other words, John McCain will be the next prez. Unless he keeps aging a year a day, which lately seems to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dictator Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Seems to be causing some problems over at Faux News.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html :laugh: I love it . Steve Doocy is still on the air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Obama is half white... get over the race thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 What's wrong with the statement?:laugh: Absolutely nothing, if you accept that her Typical White reaction is due to the notion that the Typical Black Person is likely to rob her, and thus makes her want to cross the street. See what's wrong with it now? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I think it's remarkable the Dems are even withing shouting distance of McCain in the general election polls at this point. With as fractured as their party is right now, apparently hell bent on making either of their remaining candidates unviable in a general election, fact is they're both still running essentially a statistical dead heat with McCain. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html The REP's might be in for a lot tougher battle after the DEM CON that most are considering today. When the DEM's finally get around to finalizing their nomination and turn their attention away from cannablizing their own and toward actually campaigning against the other side ... things are going to get interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Typical White person?? I better watch Weird Al Yankovich's White and Nerdy Video to see what that means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurent Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Absolutely nothing, if you accept that her Typical White reaction is due to the notion that the typical Black Person is likely to rob her, and thus makes her want to cross the street.See what's wrong with it now? ~Bang There's only something wrong with it if you're not willing to accept that there are plenty of people in that generation who were raised thinking precisely that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Absolutely nothing, if you accept that her Typical White reaction is due to the notion that the typical Black Person is likely to rob her, and thus makes her want to cross the street.See what's wrong with it now? ~Bang Hency my "context" post earlier. Are you talking about whether it's wrong for her to have that feeling ... or whether Obama is suggesting that all white people feel that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I usually don't encounter a Typical White person response I guess because I give off an approachable aura, thus they strike up conversation or ask me for directions. The babies of all races say hi, hola, etc when they see me but lately puppies yike yike at me like I'm Damien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I usually don't encounter a Typical White person response I guess because I give off an approachable aura, thus they strike up conversation or ask me for directions...... That's because you look like a guy who'd know where the soccer complex is. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Oh sweet another big deal about nothing, keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 There's only something wrong with it if you're not willing to accept that there are plenty of people in that generation who were raised thinking precisely that. There obviously are. No doubt, and there's no doubt it's a problem in this nation. I don't mean to minimize that. It's a poor choice of words at the very least, I'd say. How about "she's a person of a generation that grew up with these prejudices as an accepted way of life." hey! And I'm not even a speech writer. thing is ,while i personally don't have a problem with it, the sword has been brought down on a lot of necks for poor choices of words. The sword should be applied evenly, or not at all. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hency my "context" post earlier. Are you talking about whether it's wrong for her to have that feeling ... or whether Obama is suggesting that all white people feel that way? Typical - 1: constituting or having the nature of a type : symbolic2 a: combining or exhibiting the essential characteristics of a group <typical suburban houses> b: conforming to a type <a specimen typical of the species> There's no spin here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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