headexplode Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I spent more of my time with Mary Mags (as I knew her). Whoa--I bet that caused some awkwardness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 That's one possibility, but there are others. Some Christians, for instance, believe that God, being omnisicient, foresaw who would freely choose Him and who would not, and being omnipotent, placed those that would in a place and time where they could do so. That would also fit the data, as would a number of other alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Whoa--I bet that caused some awkwardness. It was back in the day, dude. "Love Thy Neighbor", "Free Love", "We are all brothers and sisters" long hair, no materialism, robes & pleasnat blouses, living off the land and traveling, communal dining and living. Good Times. Besides, The Big Guy was very forgiving and never lectured about sex or advocated possessing other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Some Christians, for instance, believe that God, being omnisicient, foresaw who would freely choose Him and who would not, and being omnipotent, placed those that would in a place and time where they could do so. Which would be horribly cruel if true. Why create me knowing I'm going to hell? Just do me a favor and leave me unmade in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Buddhism is really the best one. No one declares war in the name of inner peace. if i were to choose a religion, it would no doubt be Buddhism. no vicious evangelism, no senseless violence. hands down my favorite religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 If your born in a dictator geographical area you are what you are. If your born in a free society, you get to choose later on in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Which would be horribly cruel if true. Why create me knowing I'm going to hell? Just do me a favor and leave me unmade in the first place. See, now that is an interesting question, and the philosophers that take this position delve into a rather complicated discussion involving which possible worlds can exist, and whether or not God can create a world where everyone freely chooses Him, and at that point, my eyes glaze over. My only point was that there are other scenarios that explain the data. I listed one as an example. I don't even necessarily believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 It was back in the day, dude. "Love Thy Neighbor", "Free Love", "We are all brothers and sisters" long hair, no materialism, robes & pleasnat blouses, living off the land and traveling, communal dining and living. Good Times.Besides, The Big Guy was very forgiving and never lectured about sex or advocated possessing other people. I always knew Jesus was a hippie. It all makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 It was back in the day, dude. "Love Thy Neighbor", "Free Love", "We are all brothers and sisters" long hair, no materialism, robes & pleasnat blouses, living off the land and traveling, communal dining and living. Good Times.Besides, The Big Guy was very forgiving and never lectured about sex or advocated possessing other people. Just don't let him catch you selling pidgeons in the temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headexplode Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Just don't let him catch you selling pidgeons in the temple. Yeah--He thought that was totally uncool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizzod Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I consider myself a Christian, yet I would never believe that I'm any more right than a Jew, Hindu, Muslim, etc. It's all subjective to what YOU feel, not to some objective truth. There is a Buddhist quote that says something to the effect of, "there are many paths to the top of the mountain, but once we get there, we all see the same moon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnativenerd Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 You know...I have my beliefs and you have yours. I won't get on your back for your beliefs and in return, YOU don't get on my back for my beliefs. Deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yeah--He thought that was totally uncool.Yeah, he was like a wild man with that hemp rope. Its that whole Old Testament coming out in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 There is a Buddhist quote that says something to the effect of, "there are many paths to the top of the mountain, but once we get there, we all see the same moon."Don't think. FEEL. It is like a finger pointing away to the moon. Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 That's one possibility, but there are others.Some Christians, for instance, believe that God, being omnisicient, foresaw who would freely choose Him and who would not, and being omnipotent, placed those that would in a place and time where they could do so. That would also fit the data, as would a number of other alternatives. It's all been done so many times Predetermination/free will...or the ole "yeh, it's free will i guess, but if all outcomes are known, and you're the force creating everything that's going to lead to all the outcomes, then how is it truly free will (especially if there's ANY penalty for the choice)...or.....ok, and forget the "free will" discussion, but why the big shell game in the first place if it's all known? what's up with that? why bother? just jump to go. Is God waiting to be surprised or wrong on one of his calls? why the baby-toture and the volcano? I mean, besides the "we don't know" or the "mysterious ways" answer? I do all that above because they are common responses to common attempts to present supernatural answers in a logical format. The geography/time thingy is a non supernatural explanation of primary influencers. In closing, I will point out that tech's offering presumes the Christian religion to be the "right" one (appropriately enough) in his view of where and when the right answer was available. The Buddhists born 800 years ago in Bhutan were put there because they were going to get it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 The Buddhists born 800 years ago in Bhutan were put there because they were going to get it wrong. They're cool with that, though. I think the "Bhuddist" section of hell must be a lot of guys in orange robes chilling out over tea and Satan being like, "wtf do I have to do to get through to you guys?!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUforREDSKINS Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 If your born in a dictator geographical area you are what you are.If your born in a free society, you get to choose later on in life. Good answer:applause: But, mainly what you're tought early on is what you stick with. :obvious: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Little child Dry your crying eyes How can I explain The fear you feel inside ´cause you were born Into this evil world Where man is killing man and no one knows just why What have we become Just look what we have done All that we destroyed You must build again When the children cry Let them know we tried ´cause when the children sings The new world begins Little child You must show the way To a better day For all the young ´cause you were born For the world to see That we all can live In light and peace No more presidents And all the wars will end One united world under God When the children cry Let them know we tried ´cause when the children sings The new world begins What have we become Just look what we have done All that we destroyed You must build again No more presidents And all the wars will end One united world under God When the children cry Let them know we tried ´cause when the children fight Then we know it ain´t right When the children break Let them know we´re awake ´cause when the children sings The new world begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 In closing, I will point out that tech's offering presumes the Christian religion to be the "right" one (appropriately enough) in his view of where and when the right answer was available. The Buddhists born 800 years ago in Bhutan were put there because they were going to get it wrong. That's basically the upshot of that particular view, yeah. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just a plausible alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 That's basically the upshot of that particular view, yeah. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just a plausible alternative. I understood that, brother, and dared to presume it doesn't fully satisfy* you, but your humility allows you to not throw your belief out with the bath water. (another place, another time, I would parse "plausible" with you ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Judges Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I was hoping to see some statistics in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (another place, another time, I would parse "plausible" with you ) Well, I am a big fan of Mythbusters if that helps shed any light on the issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iheartskins Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I was actually Chosen. Sorry guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTalon Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 No one chooses where they are going to be born, it is all by chance. By chance, I had Catholic parents. By chance therefore, I was Catholic. I could have very well been born in the Middle East and therefore I would be a Muslim. Same as China, I would have been told there is no god. India, I could have been sikh, Hindu, or Muslim. New York, I could have been a Jew (ok kinda a joke) but you get the idea.You're beliefs are just that, chance, and what you have convinced yourself is true and right. It doesn't make them right. It is sheer luck and the power of the human mind. That argument only holds water for people who were brought up in their faiths. But what about converts? People convert for all kinds of reasons, but the fact that they convert at all shoots some pretty large holes in your birth-chance theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGreenistheBest Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 That argument only holds water for people who were brought up in their faiths. But what about converts? People convert for all kinds of reasons, but the fact that they convert at all shoots some pretty large holes in your birth-chance theory. You can only convert to a religion if you know about it. People born in certain parts of the world will never learn about religions of other parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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