aREDSKIN Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Cleared!!............................ Grand Jury Clears Texan in the Killing of 2 Burglars HOUSTON — A grand jury on Monday refused to indict a 62-year-old man who fatally shot two burglars last November as they fled his neighbor’s house. Skip to next paragraph Joe Horn In a case that raised questions of ethnic bias, self-defense and property rights, the jury rejected charges against the man, Joe Horn, who is white. Both victims were illegal immigrants from Colombia. “Joe is not some wild cowboy,” Mr. Horn’s lawyer, Charles T. Lambright, said at a news conference on Monday. “He was put in a place where he didn’t have any other choice.” But others reacted angrily to the decision. “There is not a snowflake’s chance in hell that an African-American man could do what Joe Horn did and get away with it,” said Quanell X, a local black activist. “The message that Harris County sent to the entire world is that Houston, Tex., is God’s city. There is no longer a need for the criminal justice system, police, judge or jury. You can be all of that on your own.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/us/01texas.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 So I go over to my father-in-law's house to borrow something and his new neighbors who don't know me shoot me in the back as I'm walking out with his cordless drill.There's a reason you can't let people take the law into their own hands. Just don't crawl out the side window with a crowbar and a mask on and you might be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Just don't crawl out the side window with a crowbar and a mask on and you might be ok Yeah....that analogy was awful :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Just don't crawl out the side window with a crowbar and a mask on and you might be ok ... and not borrow his crowbar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Yeah....that analogy was awful :doh: :laugh: Seriously Endzone, come on man:laugh: There's a difference between casually strolling out the front door during the daytime, and crawling out a window at night with a ski mask. Gave me a good laugh though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 “There is not a snowflake’s chance in hell that an African-American man could do what Joe Horn did and get away with it,”Interesting line there. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Yeah....that analogy was awful :doh: It was not an analogy. It was what they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGUNDYBLEEDER Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Cleared!!............................Grand Jury Clears Texan in the Killing of 2 Burglars HOUSTON — A grand jury on Monday refused to indict a 62-year-old man who fatally shot two burglars last November as they fled his neighbor’s house. Skip to next paragraph Joe Horn In a case that raised questions of ethnic bias, self-defense and property rights, the jury rejected charges against the man, Joe Horn, who is white. Both victims were illegal immigrants from Colombia. “Joe is not some wild cowboy,” Mr. Horn’s lawyer, Charles T. Lambright, said at a news conference on Monday. “He was put in a place where he didn’t have any other choice.” But others reacted angrily to the decision. “There is not a snowflake’s chance in hell that an African-American man could do what Joe Horn did and get away with it,” said Quanell X, a local black activist. “The message that Harris County sent to the entire world is that Houston, Tex., is God’s city. There is no longer a need for the criminal justice system, police, judge or jury. You can be all of that on your own.” http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/us/01texas.html I am naming my first born male Quanell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 It was not an analogy. It was what they did Maybe you didn't read what I was responding to.... he had said: So I go over to my father-in-law's house to borrow something and his new neighbors who don't know me shoot me in the back as I'm walking out with his cordless drill.There's a reason you can't let people take the law into their own hands. .....that's not nearly the same as to what the robbers did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Interesting line there. I agree. so you were asleep all of 1995? A little incident in California? Two white people murdered by a Former Football player? His initials are the same as Orange Juice... ring a bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Maybe you didn't read what I was responding to.... he had said: And what did you say????? .....that's not nearly the same as to what the robbers did. I made reference to how the crooks robbed the place and made reference that if you don't go about it the way they did you might live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 :laugh: Seriously Endzone, come on man:laugh: There's a difference between casually strolling out the front door during the daytime, and crawling out a window at night with a ski mask. Gave me a good laugh though. It's not hard to change it just a little to make it more believable. Let's say I go through my father-in-law's side gate because I don't want his dog to bolt out of the front door. Let's say I'm borrowing a spare tv my father-in-law has because mine just went belly up. So now a stranger to his new neighbors is walking out of the side gate with a tv in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 so you were asleep all of 1995? A little incident in California? Two white people murdered by a Former Football player? His initials are the same as Orange Juice... ring a bell? See: Johnnie Cochran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 No controversy in this Texas burglary case with a similar outcome: Man Shoots Himself While Wreaking into House, Dies The Associated Press Wednesday, June 18, 2008; 8:17 PM http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/18/AR2008061802850.html DALLAS -- Police in a Dallas suburb say a man trying to rob a house accidentally shot himself after kicking down the door and died in the driveway. Grand Prairie police say the body of 19-year-old Cameron Sands was found outside the house early Tuesday. Police Lt. John Brimmer says the evidence indicates Sands shot himself while trying to pull the gun from his waistband. He then dropped the gun and ran until he collapsed. Sands was wounded in the stomach. The medical examiner's office has ruled his death accidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buford T. Justice Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I do not know how the interaction transpired but he should not have gone out there with the intention to kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 That's a better way to put it. I didn't mean to imply the police were doing something wrong by not having teleportation technology to arrive instantly on the scene. They just can't get there fast enough often enough to be relied on to save people when the crime is going down. i thought that's what you meant. the wording just came across wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 And what did you say?????I made reference to how the crooks robbed the place and made reference that if you don't go about it the way they did you might live. I was just saying that his analogy sucked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I was just saying that his analogy sucked.... gotcha:thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rdskn4Lyf21 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 gotcha:thumbsup: Glad that's cleared up :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 so you were asleep all of 1995? A little incident in California? Two white people murdered by a Former Football player? His initials are the same as Orange Juice... ring a bell?OK, what about a non famous black person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour of Duty Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Something slightly similar happened to me and a friend of mine. I moved into a new house when I was 18. I had lost my keys and needed to jump through my bedroom window to get some of my music equipment. The neighbors called the cops and I was arrested as I drove back to my friends house. Luckily after I proved I lived there and the equipment was mine I was released. good thing my neighbor didnt shoot me as I drove away. I could agree if the guys attacked him or were robbing his home but he ran outside and shot two guys as they ran away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 OK, what about a non famous black person? There have been two instances here (that I know of) in the last yr where a black person shot burglars ...No charges were filed. We are just prejudiced against thieves , and take property rights seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 There have been two instances here (that I know of) in the last yr where a black person shot burglars ...No charges were filed.We are just prejudiced against thieves , and take property rights seriously. You don't scare me. I'm coming to rob you anyways. You're all talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 There have been two instances here (that I know of) in the last yr where a black person shot burglars ...No charges were filed.We are just prejudiced against thieves , and take property rights seriously. 2 questions (I don't want to read the whole article):1) Did the thieves in the Horn case have guns? 2) Did Horn keep shooting even after they were running away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 2 questions (I don't want to read the whole article):1) Did the thieves in the Horn case have guns? 2) Did Horn keep shooting even after they were running away? The thieves had a crowbar. Doesn't seem like he shot them multiple times, but I'm not sure. 12 gauge from that range...one shot will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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