AsburySkinsFan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Its also a possibility that Michael Jordan is an alien from outer space. But theres no evidence. I thought that was Dennis Rodman, at least that's what Will Smith said. oops I've said too much....please look right here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Its easier to believe that one guy with a gambling addiction made some bad choices and got mixed up with the wrong people.Statistics tracking referrees calls are VERY new. They only came about when Uber-geek (and my hero) Mark Cuban insisted upon it (and paid for it). The thing I like about the NFL is that on the NFL network they go over the week's questionable calls on "Total Access." And sometimes they really do admit a blown call. However, we usually don't see the "non-calls" being discussed which at times can affect the game more than the penalties that are called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Is there any evidence for that? The Denver Post reported that the NBA has been aware of the probe since January of this past year. This article from Marc Stein of espn.com makes it seem as if there are serious questions to be answered in the coming days, most notably that of "Why was he allowed to continue reffing in the playoffs, including Game 3 of the Suns/Spurs series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Also, it should be noted that the theory is suggested in that Stein article that the FBI forced the NBA to refrain from taking any action against Donaghy while their investigation was ongoing. In simpler terms, they wanted him to keep doing the illegal things that he was doing so that they would be led to more people doing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMK9973 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 The reason the NBA is worried, because they (Unlike the other major sports) have embraced Las Vegas. Football stays away from it, has told them they will never put a Football team there, and never has anything to do with super bowl parties there. Baseball has flirted with them, but has been honest that they are scared to put a team there. the NBA held their all star game there, has their summer league there, hold special events there all the time, does promations with some of the big casinos, and has openely discussed putting a team there. Even if the NBA did every thing right here - the last thing they wanted was any kind of gambling scandel while they were working so closely with Las Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldysknzfn1 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I've thought for years that the NBA was fixing games and series'. It just seemed to lopsided at times to me. Lasting way longer than it should in some cases. A team coming on the floor to play...looking like the superstar team they are...and then coming out the next day...stinking up the joint! I wonder how far & wide is this thing gonna reach? How long before we hear of the others? This guy will sing like a canary if he knows others are involved. I don't even watch the NBA much anymore. Something's just not right imo. Now I know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Anyone know what the general percentage of games that fall within the pointspread are? I would imagine it's a high number. If in general, Vegas is right 80% of the time, but right only 43% of the time with this ref that's ginormous. If Vegas is right 60% of the time, but only right 43% of the time with this Ref that's probably significant too, but slightly less scary for the integrity of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 The Denver Post reported that the NBA has been aware of the probe since January of this past year.This article from Marc Stein of espn.com makes it seem as if there are serious questions to be answered in the coming days, most notably that of "Why was he allowed to continue reffing in the playoffs, including Game 3 of the Suns/Spurs series? Also, it should be noted that the theory is suggested in that Stein article that the FBI forced the NBA to refrain from taking any action against Donaghy while their investigation was ongoing.In simpler terms, they wanted him to keep doing the illegal things that he was doing so that they would be led to more people doing them. I think your 2nd post answered your question in your first post. And your link doesnt work for me, but what ive heard is the FBI is looking for mob guys involved, not other refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 In simpler terms, they wanted him to keep doing the illegal things that he was doing so that they would be led to more people doing them. Which is the part that is most worrisome. My hope is that this is just one guy, my fear is that others were in on it, I just hope my fears are wrong. I guess only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 The reason the NBA is worried, because they (Unlike the other major sports) have embraced Las Vegas.Football stays away from it, has told them they will never put a Football team there, and never has anything to do with super bowl parties there. Baseball has flirted with them, but has been honest that they are scared to put a team there. the NBA held their all star game there, has their summer league there, hold special events there all the time, does promations with some of the big casinos, and has openely discussed putting a team there. Even if the NBA did every thing right here - the last thing they wanted was any kind of gambling scandel while they were working so closely with Las Vegas. This might be the case if any of the present scandal had to do directly with Las Vegas. It doesn't. It's related to organized crime gambling, not legal gambling done in a casino. Now, maybe you're just referencing "Vegas" as gambling itself, which would make a little more sense. But I still don't think making themselves available to a town that yes, has gambling, but also is the number one vacation destination in the United States necessarily puts the NBA in any sort of untenable position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I think your 2nd post answered your question in your first post. It would if that was the answer to my question. As is, it's only a theory being suggested by some. The NBA is going to have some 'splaining to do in the coming months. The old, "What did you know and when did you know it" game is going to become very important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Anyone know what the general percentage of games that fall within the pointspread are? I would imagine it's a high number. If in general, Vegas is right 80% of the time, but right only 43% of the time with this ref that's ginormous. If Vegas is right 60% of the time, but only right 43% of the time with this Ref that's probably significant too, but slightly less scary for the integrity of the game. I would imagine Vegas is right somewhere about 55% of the time. A 5% house edge is quite large. Anyways, casinos move the line around to encourage equal betting on both sides. They make their money on the vig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMK9973 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 This might be the case if any of the present scandal had to do directly with Las Vegas. It doesn't. It's related to organized crime gambling, not legal gambling done in a casino.Now, maybe you're just referencing "Vegas" as gambling itself, which would make a little more sense. But I still don't think making themselves available to a town that yes, has gambling, but also is the number one vacation destination in the United States necessarily puts the NBA in any sort of untenable position. When you think Vegas you think gambling. No way around it. Even though these bets were not vegas bets - the lines are all vegas lines. Vegas = gambling. This hurts Vegas and the NBA. BTW - All this talk about the NBA should have known because of the stats. That easy to say looking back. But start with nothing. All games, all refs, all crews, and then figure it out. It's easy to say now that we know who to look at, lets see if anything sticks out, but when you start with nothing, it makes it harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMK9973 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I would imagine Vegas is right somewhere about 55% of the time. A 5% house edge is quite large.Anyways, casinos move the line around to encourage equal betting on both sides. They make their money on the vig. Bingo! Where is the edge? to say 56% of the time the game fell in the spread doesn't help the casino or the bookies. It ONLY heled the guy who bet on the underdog (Or the group that placed the bets on the dog) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 The Denver Post reported that the NBA has been aware of the probe since January of this past year.This article from Marc Stein of espn.com makes it seem as if there are serious questions to be answered in the coming days, most notably that of "Why was he allowed to continue reffing in the playoffs, including Game 3 of the Suns/Spurs series? The NBA is going to have some 'splaining to do in the coming months. The old, "What did you know and when did you know it" game is going to become very important. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUSkinsFan Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I blame George Bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I BLAME BRUNELL! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megared Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Yup it's the NBA's problem. Donaghy wasn't the only referee officiating those games. Beyond him getting a high percentage of the overs...how didn't the people who review & grade the videotapes, over the course of a couple of years, NEVER catch it? It's a problem when the referees have SO much control over the game that they can blow the whistle, call whatever the hell they want, and their colleagues don't question it. Or when the rules on contact are so strick, that they can arbitrarily decide when to call fouls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EersSkins05 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Here's what I can't wait for: the first player at a press conference that is pissed off at the officiating and referrences Donaghy and how the game had to be fixed. That's going to be high comedy. Rasheed Wallace, I'm looking at YOU. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I understand your points, but do you think the NBA could have controlled this may be the better question. PJ touched on it a bit, I just dont see how they could have controlled it, unless the KNEW the guys were changing the outcomes of games.:logo: What about Joey Crawford? He hates Duncan. I really do believe NBA refs are the worst of the big 4 sports. Been watching the biases for years. Jordan pushed off the Jazz player to hit the winning shot. You think if it was the other way around the refs would have called offensive foul. Dwayne Wade anyone? Pathetic league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I've got the sinking feeling that Donaghy is the tip of the iceberg here...this is going to be pretty nasty and I think more refs will turn up dirty. I also am wondering why if the NBA knew about this probe in January why did they let this douchebag ref games, especially in the playoffs??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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