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Personally....I think the only guy we milk the farm for is Calvin Johnson..!

If somehow he fell to #6,I could see 1/2 a dozen teams that would want to try to screw us with deals...That dude ran a 4:35/40..

I kinda hope that if we DO trade down we go no further than 16 on the deal...(1/2 the nfl teams)

I think we could still land a top 10 blue chip talent at that spot...While aquiring a 2nd rounder and other picks..

The perfect scenario in my opinion,is we trade down to around 10-12 and land a 2nd rounder while still getting our guy Alan Branch...

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Here is how I see the beginning of the draft breaking down:

1. Oakland - Russell

2. Detroit - Quinn

3. Cleveland - Peterson

4. Tampa - Johnson

5. Arizona - Thomas

6. Washington - Anderson

I hope that Detroit takes Thomas, because then there is a really good possibility that Quinn falls to us and I can definately see Houston trading up. However, as someone else said, that would mean that he would be available at #5, and Arizona would probably trade down as well. I know that a lot of people do have Detroit taking Thomas, but I can't see how they could pass on a potential franchise QB when they trotted out John Kitna last season, with Dan Orlovsky (sp?) and McCown as backups.

If for some reason Tampa would pass on Calvin, I can definately see Minnesota swapping places with us to take him. Either of these trade scenarios would be ideal, because we would be guaranteed to get one of Branch, Anderson, Adams, or Okoye while also picking up extra picks.

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That is some good research, but I think we may be the only team who follows that draft value chart so closely. Point is, no team will give up that many picks. For some teams, a 3rd round pick could become a starter, and they can cite our Chris Cooley for that. Lots of teams just value picks more.

Now, with that said, I would not mind trading down within 5 spots and getting a 2nd rounder out of it. I think the Redskins are trying to explore that idea overall, they don't want anything less than a 2nd round pick. I hope Brady Quinn is stil there at 6th, cause Minnesota and Houston would then salivate for him.

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FM put a premium on getting picks this year, there are numerous other scenarios per team, but as he stated he listed the equal Draft Chart Values with the most picks for this year being the emphasis. Realistically I can see some of the teams after pick 11 or so trading this years 2nd and next years 2nd for a move up, then chucking in picks to equal or come close to value.

Most teams do follow that value chart, we usually screwed by it.

We can hold conference calls with potential trade partners if any of the following fall to us (In order of the highest value)

CJ - obvious

Quinn - All three teams that pick after us need a Franchise QB, This is probably the best situation for us considering we can at most drop down 3 spots and more then likely milk at least a high second this year in a bidding war.

Peterson-would have a couple of teams interested including Denver, I would want at least a 30 pt premium from them as payback for the ******** we have gotten from them.

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BUFFALO

Scenario #1

1st (12) - 1200 pts

2nd (43) - 470 pts

1670 points

Scenario #2

1st (12) - 1200 pts

3rd (74) - 220 pts

1440 points

2008 2nd rounder

GREEN BAY

Scenario #1

1st (16) - 1000 pts

2nd (47) - 430 pts

3rd (78) - 200 pts

1630 points

Scenario #2

1st (16) - 1000 pts

2nd (47) - 430 pts

4th (108) - 78 pts

1508 points

2008 3rd rounder

HOUSTON

Scenario #1

1st (8) - 1400 pts

3rd (73) - 225 pts

1625 points

MINNESOTA

Scenario #1

1st (7) - 1500 pts

4th (102) - 92 pts

7th (198) - 13.2 pts

1605.2 points

NEW YORK JETS

Scenario #1

1st (25) - 720 pts

2nd (37) - 530 pts

2nd (59) - 310 pts

5th (154) - 30.8 pts

6th (162) - 27.6 pts

1618.4 points

Scenario #2

1st (25) - 720 pts

2nd (37) - 530 pts

2nd (59) - 310 pts

1560 points

2008 4th rounder

Scenario #3

1st (25) - 720 pts

2nd (37) - 530 pts

3rd (89) - 145 pts

1395 points

2008 2nd rounder

If the heavens open up this would be my ideal draft day...

1. JaMarcus Russel - Oak

2. Joe Thomas - Det

3. Alan Branch - Browns

4. Calvin Johnson - TB

5. Gaines Adams - Cards

6. Brady Quinn - Pick traded to Minn (1.7, 3.7)

7. Adrian Peterson - Pick traded to Buff (1.12, 2.12), GB (1, 2, 4), Houston (1,3) or maybe NYJ (1,2,2)

would have at least 2 3rd rounders maybe as much as a 1st, 2 2nd's and a 3rd.

With the Minnesota/Jets trade we could have

1.25 - Adam Carriker, DE (moving up), maybe Patrick Willis, MLB

2.06 - Daymeion Hughes, CB

2.25 - Victor Abiamiri, DE (if Carriker, MLB here)

3.07 - Tim Duckworth, OG

If Minn/Houston

1.08 - Jamaal Anderson, DE

3.07 - Tim Duckworth, OG

3.08 - Chris Houston, Marcus McCauley, Josh Gattis DB

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New England would never trade up, especially considering the facts that:

1. The have two late 1st rounders (Seattle's from the Branch trade)

2. They don't like paying their players as is.

I think the only shot we have for NE's two #1's is if CJ was to fall to us and even though that would not equal value it is all they would offer and it would be enticing.

I don't think we should fall that low in the first round though, we need at least one premier DL player this year. We could still get it at the seattle old #1 but the chances are slimmer.

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The key is Detroit. If they really have learned their lesson, they'll take Thomas which means Quinn will fall to #6 for a trade down by the Skins. If Detroit takes Quinn then we make the pick. It seems almost cut and dried to me (which is why I'm usually WAY off base on my predictions).

Then again, I suppose Cleveland and Arizona could be trade down candidates as well but teams would have to give up more to get Quinn at those spots than they would at #6.

My guess is we won't trade out of the Top 12. If Minnesota ends up with David Carr then we might have to unless Gary Kubiak in Houston decides to pull the trigger.

Sure, the NE scenario is enough to make you drool but there is a reason the Pats are where they've been for the past few years. They might trade up but not far enough to deal BOTH number 1 picks. Heck, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Pats actually trade down with the later of their two first round picks, especially if they use their 1st number one pick and their 2nd round pick to move up.

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#6 could be a great place to trade with Houston or Miami who both might covet Brady Quinn. Our guy(s) would still be there with their first picks as well. I'm putting my money on a deal with one of these two teams. I also wonder if Green Bay wouldn't jump up for Quinn. What has Aaron Rodgers shown them?

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My guess is that Tampa Bay signs Jeff Garcia and then takes Calvin Johnson.

Arizona would be a good bet to trade down with someone who wants Quinn.

If Cleveland doesn't take Peterson and wants to trade out of their pick, all hell could break loose in this draft cause either Johnson or Quinn would go at #3. Then, Tampa could be stuck and take defense.

In short, I think Cleveland or Arizona may trade down before we do which could hurt our leverage.

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I think that a lot is going to depend on what Arizona does at 5. If Leonard Davis goes, then they will be in the market for a LT. Thomas, assuredy will be gone by then so the dilemma will be, does Zona take Levi Brown with the 5th overall pick? Certainly not, so they could end up trading down to where they could take Brown and not have to pay him top ten money.

If this scenario happens, the Skins will lose leverage with the no. 6 selection. I strongly feel that the top four will go as follows:

1. Russell

2. Thomas

3. Peterson

4. Johnson

5. ? ( Glaring need will depend on Davis' status come draft time, should become more clear once free agency hits)

I will hope the Cards resign their man, but they could still be looking to trade down. Their present overall need is D line, the secondary is adequate, as are the LB's. Pass rush, pass rush, pass rush. Sound like anyone you know?

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If Quinn is available at #6, then he is available at #5 and the Cards make a trade.

Why would they trade with Arizona when the Cardinals offer no credible threat that they would actually take Quinn, and the Skins most certainly would not take Quinn.

Meaning: why would they trade with the Cards when they can trade with the Redskins? They would have to give up less to get the #6 than the #5 pick, and there is no risk that the Skins or Cards will take Quinn. Trading with the Skins would be cheaper, would place a team ahead of the pack of likely suitors for Quinn (Miami, Minn, etc.), and there would be little risk that the Cardinals would take Quinn.

In summary, I think if Quinn falls to the Cards' pick, then teams looking for Quinn would be more likely to deal with US than with the Cardinals.

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If we had to trade down, which I really don't advise doing, I would take the #1 scenerios for Houston, Green Bay and buffalo. my reasoning is that we need to stay atleast in the mid first round as well as acquire more day 1 picks for this draft- not the 2008 future draft picks. But again I highly advise staying at 6 and picking up alan branch.

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Thats a very good point. Why pay someone no. 5 money, when you can pay them no. 6? If someone doesn't get a trade done with the Cards, its not like the Skins are going to scoop Quinn. It's everyone after the 6 pick that any suitors should be concerned with.

Good point. This is a good thread.

The funny thing is, you can basically blow this whole thing up by this weekend.

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Thats a very good point. Why pay someone no. 5 money, when you can pay them no. 6? If someone doesn't get a trade done with the Cards, its not like the Skins are going to scoop Quinn. It's everyone after the 6 pick that any suitors should be concerned with.

Good point. This is a good thread.

The funny thing is, you can basically blow this whole thing up by this weekend.

Why would they trade with Arizona when the Cardinals offer no credible threat that they would actually take Quinn, and the Skins most certainly would not take Quinn.

Meaning: why would they trade with the Cards when they can trade with the Redskins? They would have to give up less to get the #6 than the #5 pick, and there is no risk that the Skins or Cards will take Quinn. Trading with the Skins would be cheaper, would place a team ahead of the pack of likely suitors for Quinn (Miami, Minn, etc.), and there would be little risk that the Cardinals would take Quinn.

In summary, I think if Quinn falls to the Cards' pick, then teams looking for Quinn would be more likely to deal with US than with the Cardinals.

Wrong.

Because someone else could trade for the #5 pick. The Cards could call Minn, Houston, and Miami and tell them that the others are making offers. Houston and Minn could say, "we'll wait to trade with the Skins at #6." Then Miami could make the trade with the Cards and Houston and Miami would be screwed.

The "unknown" is what draft trades are all about. The Cards and Skins will not draft Quinn, but someone could pull the trigger with the Cards and nullify a bidding war for the #6 pick.

If Quinn falls just hope the Cards what Adams more than a OT. :2cents:

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Wrong.

Because someone else could trade for the #5 pick. The Cards could call Minn, Houston, and Miami and tell them that the others are making offers. Houston and Minn could say, "we'll wait to trade with the Skins at #6." Then Miami could make the trade with the Cards and Houston and Miami would be screwed.

The "unknown" is what draft trades are all about. The Cards and Skins will not draft Quinn, but someone could pull the trigger with the Cards and nullify a bidding war for the #6 pick.

If Quinn falls just hope the Cards what Adams more than a OT. :2cents:

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You're right in that respect. Its all smoke and mirrors really. I was merely pointing out the fact that the Cards could seriously screw with the Skins leverage. We also need to realize that Minnehaha could end up dealing for Schaub which would take them out of the Quinn sweepstakes.

Its all speculation, with one common thread; We need Quinn to be there at 6 if we want to maximize trade potential.

Like I also said previously, these threads are going to take a drastic turn over the weekend.

I seriously like the idea of Fletcher coming over at Mike and I hear the Skins are going to try to go after Clements.

There is also talk of Smoot coming back. Thats an upgrade of the secondary in my opinion.

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You're right in that respect. Its all smoke and mirrors really. I was merely pointing out the fact that the Cards could seriously screw with the Skins leverage. We also need to realize that Minnehaha could end up dealing for Schaub which would take them out of the Quinn sweepstakes.

Its all speculation, with one common thread; We need Quinn to be there at 6 if we want to maximize trade potential.

Like I also said previously, these threads are going to take a drastic turn over the weekend.

I seriously like the idea of Fletcher coming over at Mike and I hear the Skins are going to try to go after Clements.

There is also talk of Smoot coming back. Thats an upgrade of the secondary in my opinion.

I don't know why I put your post in there also. :doh:

I agree on the London F-B idea.

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