jivelikenice Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I'm not sure about Fletcher and here are my thoughts as to why: 1. He's a tackling machine but I haven't seen enough of him to know whether or not those tackle are coming near the line of scrimmage of 5 yards downfield 2. He's a playmaker who recovered 5 fumbles and had 4 int's last year. Considering our defenses record setting performance in lack of takeaways, it would be a welcome addition. 3. His age; 2 years ago this would have been great but is he on the decline, or do the Bills just want to start young?? The advantage with Fletcher is that he most likely won't demand a ridiculous contract. Clements on the other hand would and I would prefer the Skins to use that $ to keep all of their players, sign a Smoot or Hood (or both), and build some depth on the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 The Redskins are expected to target Buffalo Bills linebacker London Fletcher and cornerback Nate Clements in free agency next month, according to multiple league sources who have spoken with team officials. . .http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/13/AR2007021301286.html Unless we also get a significant upgrade on the D Line this will be money wasted. Does not matter who plays MLB if he is fighting off a guard and/or centre every running down and if you can not get pressure on the QB with your down 4 it makes even the nest DBs look ordinary. The quickest way for us to get better on defense is to pick up a DT and DE via FA and the draft. Also Clements will be too expensive - don't see how we are going to fit him under our cap and there are other teams out there who have a ton more cap space who should be able to outbid us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hauss Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 This pair would be a disaster. Clements wants too much and Sam Huff would be better than Fletcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins Seventy Chip Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 So here we are ready to overpay for Fletcher and Clements, when keeping Pierce and Smoot two years ago would have been much cheaper and we would've had a much more complete defense. One step forward, two steps back. Can't wait to see what Clements bonus is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I wouldn't mind Fletcher, cheap also, because whomever will take that spot in a few years (McIntosh or draft pick or whatever) will have a great mentor. Fletcher is a good short-term solution because he is physical, can help stop the run, he's familiar w/ the system, and doesn't have a history of injuries. Clements I wouldn't mind seeing become a Skin, but I know his deal is going to be big. If the Skins can clear up enough cap space and use their cap voodoo so Clements contract is more cap friendly, then I wouldn't mind both at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Forget Clements or Samuel. Sign Smoot and another midrange corner... Resign Lavar and put him at MLB. He will probably be so slowed from his injury that he won't be able to get out of position in the middle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indaslums Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 let's for once think about team chemistry before we sign every FA out there. These two seem like classacts but I don't want a revolving door anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddub52 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Clements already said he wants to be the highest paid CB in the league... which means more than Champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 If we grab those two guys our defense is immediately upgraded and allows us to draft the best available D-lineman. What's not to like about that scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Unless we also get a significant upgrade on the D Line this will be money wasted.Does not matter who plays MLB if he is fighting off a guard and/or centre every running down and if you can not get pressure on the QB with your down 4 it makes even the nest DBs look ordinary. The quickest way for us to get better on defense is to pick up a DT and DE via FA and the draft. Also Clements will be too expensive - don't see how we are going to fit him under our cap and there are other teams out there who have a ton more cap space who should be able to outbid us. Thank you! Those two may be on our radar, but upgrading our defensive line should be our top priority! To me, a best case scenario would be if we signed Justin Smith, drafted Alan Branch, then went on from there. If you have a big body DT to occupy the linemen, the linebackers were look ten times better (IE Ray Lewis and Adalius Thomas looking like ALL STARS with Haloti Ngata). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I'd rather have Clements and Kelsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 one of the reasons our D looked so bad last year,i think,is because nobody knew the plays well enough to be a leader on the field.Fletcher should fix that.solid vet that'll come cheaper then his production who knows the system and anchor the middle of the field.I have faith we will focus on the line since it's such a glaring need. Clements will be the top paid CB for a reason.hes the best avalible this year.champs next contract will put him back on top.Nate is great in coverage and the best corner against the run.put him on the field and it gets a lot smaller for everybody,WR and RB. if he gets a huge contract anywhere,i don't think i would call it overpayin so hopefully we can be the ones. do either of those two have any ties to the skins other then GW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1njskinsfan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Clements will require at least a 20mm bonus. god no! and fletcher is to old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dachozenone Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Clements already said he wants to be the highest paid CB in the league... which means more than Champ Man I hope we dont sign Clements. You figure Champ got 18 mil to sign 3 years ago and with the salary cap and inflation some team may give him a 20 mil SB and I hope it is not us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Fletcher might be a year too old and a step too slow now. 5 years ago it would have been golden for us. Clements wants us to break the bank. Danny would have in seasons past, but maybe not this time around. There are other CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armada58 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 London Fletcher would be awful. He was a total shadow of his former self last year and his best days are well behind him. Fletcher would be a bad move. I know we need MLB help, but this is NOT the answer. Fletcher would actually be a downgrade from Marshall. Clements................... too expensive and overrated. He's a good player but he is not worth what he is going to get on the market this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 How about some info on both? Anyone have scouting reports / age / history on both? Thanks in advance. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I'm up for this, I hope we get both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_Fan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 London Fletcher would be awful. He was a total shadow of his former self last year and his best days are well behind him. Fletcher would be a bad move. I know we need MLB help, but this is NOT the answer. Fletcher would actually be a downgrade from Marshall. How is this? Fletcher had 146 tackles, 2 sacks and 4 ints. More int's than any player on our team last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 those two will help our defense tremendously. DE carter DT (draft, FA) DT griffin DE (draft, FA) OLB rocky MLB fletcher OLB washington CB clements CB rogers FS taylor SS prieleau/springs im definitely ok with that, especially if we get a huge run stuffing DT in the draft, or an all around DE and terdell sands. although if we do sign those two, it might make more sense to trade the 6th pick for two picks, and pick up a DT and a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 you guys saying that fletcher is old, you are right. and hes no more than a 2 year player. but we need to bring him in. hes a tackling machine which is what we need from our LB corps. plus now if we have a solid MLB to rely on for a year or so, we can draft a MLB in next years draft. these signings will be a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociofan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Fantasy Football still lives in Washington. Besides Detroit is going hard after Fletcher and according to CBS Sportsline, he's looking for a 3-4 year deal with an $8-12M bonus. That's way too much for a 32 year old MLB. AND he's "small" according to standards for a MLB. 5-10/245. He's no reason to break the bank. As for Clements...three words....TOO MUCH MONEY. Dre Bly and Asante Samuel are both going to be available, and their numbers are not much different than Clements. In fact, if we want an INT-machine...look to Samuel. Any player who announces that he wants to be the highest paid player at his position does not speak much character. Tell me you want to play for a winner or get to the Big Game and let your agent take care of the dollars. I'm not sure winning is Clements' priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatboy41 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I think Nate Clements would make huge contributions to this team. I think he has proved he is worth a great deal of money throughout his career and I'm sure he would fill a huge hole in our secondary. London Fletcher would also fill a big hole in our defense at MLB. I am just interested to see what would happen with Lemar and Shawn Springs if we made both of these moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagman Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Fantasy Football still lives in Washington.As for Clements...three words....TOO MUCH MONEY. Dre Bly and Asante Samuel are both going to be available, and their numbers are not much different than Clements. In fact, if we want an INT-machine...look to Samuel. Any player who announces that he wants to be the highest paid player at his position does not speak much character. Tell me you want to play for a winner or get to the Big Game and let your agent take care of the dollars. I'm not sure winning is Clements' priority. I agree, If we take him than next year we will be kicking our selves in the butt for not going after Samuel. 2 times the player for less money. Sure he will still be pricey but at least he doesnt remind me of the CB we picked up from Dallas a few years back( I wont even mention that #%&$*^ name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 London Fletcher would be awful. He was a total shadow of his former self last year and his best days are well behind him. Fletcher would be a bad move. I know we need MLB help, but this is NOT the answer. Fletcher would actually be a downgrade from Marshall.Clements................... too expensive and overrated. He's a good player but he is not worth what he is going to get on the market this year. Hah you are crazy to think Fletcher is a downgrade from Lemar, Lemar is not nor ever has been a player of Fletchers calibur. No doubt Lemar has done good things for this team in the past 3 seasons but Fletcher is widely regarded as one of the best MLB's in the league. A cheaper more risky option could be Minny's Napolean Harris...who is injury and mistake prone but has all the tools to be an All Pro, he is younger too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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