Die Hard Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I hate when that happens, the best way to avoid that kind of stuff is to buy throwback players (they can't be traded:laugh: ) I've got: Ramsey-replica Portis-authentic Arrington-authentic Taylor-authentic (#36) I gave up the naming rights of my child for the Portis authentic. In the end though, I got the name I wanted (I think because it was a boy). Even though technically, none of those jerseys is a waste.. I've learned my lesson purchasing jerseys. No more period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 What's the difference between Gardner's trade value last year... and Ramsey's? Seriously. Importance of the position??...I'd assume that a young, experienced QB who was the quarterback equivalent of a Rod Gardner (had at least one "breakout" year and somewhat decent stats) would be worth more to a team in need of a QB or back-up QB than a receiver would be. You have two, sometimes three or even four receivers on the field at one time, but only one QB. Maybe it's "upside", in which Gardner may not have had as much as Ramsey is perceived to have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Me too DH. I have lost track of what picks we actually do have this year. I know we don't have a 1st or 4th round pick (although JC with a year under his belt might count) - but have we traded other rounds as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combatant Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I've got:Ramsey-replica Portis-authentic Arrington-authentic Taylor-authentic (#36) I gave up the naming rights of my child for the Portis authentic. In the end though, I got the name I wanted (I think because it was a boy). Even though technically, none of those jerseys is a waste.. I've learned my lesson purchasing jerseys. No more period I've got: Doug Williams-Throwback Authentic (Redskins, Not that Tampa crap) Portis-Authentic Moss-Authentic Ever since I've gotten into the business of selling jersey's I can get the current player (even though they can be traded) for cheaper prices. The safe bet is always the Throwback players though, but you have to represent the current guys too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailYeah Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I agree with you, except for the part about him being a distraction. Joe Gibbs can handle distractions. Besides, Ramsey is a quiet guy and I don't think he would be capable of doing any damage to the team. Also, if we needed him he would do what was asked of him. I just think it would be a bad decision to let him go for a sixth rounder. Who knows though, maybe Gibbs wants an extra 6th rounder to pick up Marcus Vick? I don't think he would be there but maybe. See I'm not really saying HE will necessarily be a distraction. He will handle it like a professional, but everybody on God's green earth will know that he doesn't want to be here, especially the media. That creates a distraction no matter what, even if the player slaps a smile on his face every day. Again, I really hope, and think, we can do better than a 6th. If nothing else, I'm just trying to make people put this all in perspective if we get, say, a high 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 See I'm not really saying HE will necessarily be a distraction. He will handle it like a professional, but everybody on God's green earth will know that he doesn't want to be here, especially the media. I think it's the other way around...I think everybody on God's green earth knows that Gibbs does not want him here, especially the media. They harp on Gibbs' bring in Brunell, jumping through hoops to draft Campbell, and then pulling Ramsey after one quarter of play as huge, public votes of non-confidence towards Ramsey, and have been saying "the writing's been on the wall ever since Gibbs returned to Washington". The media does say that Ramsey doesn't want to be there, but it's always with the unspoken disclaimer of "And can you blame him?"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Gonna be hard to argue this was handled properly if all the Skins get out of a 1st round QB who has performed admirably in his 4 years is a 6th round draft pick. Gonna be hard to take you overly seriously when you attach "admirably" to Ramsey's level of play, since, had he played admirably, he'd be starting for us. He played inconsistently with obvious flaws so worrisome he scared EACH of his head coaches so much they didn't want to have to play him. He has talent and could yet emerge as a top player in the league. But, let's not blow his past here out of proportion. He's a first-round pick who never developed in any way from Day 1 until now. He may be a "gamer" who will blossom when he gets to play more. But, we know from those who saw him EVERY day, there was something about him that limited him. As I was told by a Hall of Fame player during the season, Ramsey is great when his first read is available. It's when that read is taken away that he can't play. And, it's the refusal of his coaches to be WILLING to dumb the offense so far down to accomodate that weakness that kept him from being a true starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsman4u Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I hope we don't trade him...but if he's not satisfied with being a millionnair on a premeir team and elects not to stay and fight his way back into the starting line up...then guess what to hell with him he's just like Coles, Smoot Pierce and the rest of those losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 As I was told by a Hall of Fame player during the season, Ramsey is great when his first read is available. It's when that read is taken away that he can't play. That sums Ramsey up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCRoughrider Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 on't give him up for a 6th! Just keep him for another year and lose him in free agency next year. Because a 6th round pick is practically nothing anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I just can't see Ramsey -- or his agent for that matter --- being a good soldier if he's the third string qb. In fact, he might not even report. Would you? Or would you force a trade to a team where you would at least be the backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shallyshal Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Gonna be hard to take you overly seriously when you attach "admirably" to Ramsey's level of play, since, had he played admirably, he'd be starting for us. He played inconsistently with obvious flaws so worrisome he scared EACH of his head coaches so much they didn't want to have to play him. He has talent and could yet emerge as a top player in the league. But, let's not blow his past here out of proportion. He's a first-round pick who never developed in any way from Day 1 until now. He may be a "gamer" who will blossom when he gets to play more. But, we know from those who saw him EVERY day, there was something about him that limited him.As I was told by a Hall of Fame player during the season, Ramsey is great when his first read is available. It's when that read is taken away that he can't play. And, it's the refusal of his coaches to be WILLING to dumb the offense so far down to accomodate that weakness that kept him from being a true starter. that is about as coherent explanation of ramsey's shortcomings as i have ever heard. it is the vision thing.. can it be learned ? i hope for his sake it can. he seems to be a really nice person and a good team player-- then again, so was wuerffel and we know how that turned out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDMAN7 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 I think more likely Ramsey is determined to leave, and the Redskins will grant his wish. Same as Coles, Bailey and Gardner. Gibbs doesn't like to keep unhappy players around. If they don't want to be Redskins, he will do his best to ablige. :2cents: I agree he wants out. What is crazy however is that there is almost no way Ramsey is going to be guaranteed a starting role on any NFL team. He could easily end up in the same situation as with the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommd Posted February 28, 2006 Author Share Posted February 28, 2006 that is about as coherent explanation of ramsey's shortcomings as i have ever heard. it is the vision thing.. can it be learned ? i hope for his sake it can. he seems to be a really nice person and a good team player-- then again, so was wuerffel and we know how that turned out.. Agreed, great post Art. Also, I remember reading in one of these threads about Ramsey (there've been quite a few) that he was promised that if he was a good soldier and kept his mouth shut this past year, that he would be moved in the offseason to a team where he could get playing time. I think that's why the team is allowing Sexton to shop the market and make a deal. Also, I think Sexton would be making all kinds of noise if we told them that we wanted Ramsey to come back and be the third stringer, just in case. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kappaluvacee Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 we should wait until preseason when a qb goes down in some other team's training camp, the value will go up then That's what I would do before I let him go for a sixth rounder. Whomever takes Patrick is expecting him to push for a starting job. Six rounders aren't expected to contribute much more than Special Teams if they even make the active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoGood28 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 A sixth for Ramsey is bull. Ramsey is waaay better than any player coming out in the sixth round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shallyshal Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 A sixth for Ramsey is bull. Ramsey is waaay better than any player coming out in the sixth round. uhhh.. tom brady ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shallyshal Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 A sixth for Ramsey is bull. Ramsey is waaay better than any player coming out in the sixth round. on the other hand, who can recall the last redskin 6th rounder to make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 If we decided to package our two 6th's for a 5th on draft day, I'd be fine with this deal but otherwise I think this stinks, if Vick is there with that Jets 6th pick take him...even though he's a nut he could be something great eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmw2301 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 A 6th round pick, we might as well keep him as insurance. Thats a joke...Hes atleast worth a 3rd in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 This is not an equal value situation; trading Patrick for a 6th rounder doesn't mean he has the value of a 6th rounder, it just means that's all we can get for him right now. Many factors to consider: multiple FA QB's this year, any team trading for Ramsey will most likely have to commit to a long term deal, its likely we'll have to cut Ramsey due to the salary cap situation right now if we can't trade him, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdarugar Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 A 6th round pick, we might as well keep him as insurance. Thats a joke...Hes atleast worth a 3rd in my opinion. but remember even if the cap goes up to around 110 mil we still have to cut about 5-7 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschurm Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Ramsey, 6th pick and next year's 1st for this years first to pick Vernon Davis. Why was our interview with Davis the longest interview he gave? Does Saunders have any input? Is this a deal we may be looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 A 6th round pick, we might as well keep him as insurance. Thats a joke...Hes atleast worth a 3rd in my opinion. A 3rd String QB sitting around, taking up $2m in cap space, is awfully hard to justify. If all the 'Skins get is a 6th, then that's all there is out there for him. There's no guarantee he'll go somewhere else and make a difference, immediate or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Said he thinks the best we will get for Ramsey is a 6th rounder. Hope he's wrong on this.Also, said we are doing everything possible to get Campbell ready to start the opener, but we may start Brunell and have Campbell start as the backup. Dang, man! Try to do a better heading. I nearly had a heart attack. Actually, I'm not sure the heading was yours...whoever put it up there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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