Dirk Diggler Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Wonder if Gibbs/Snyder would bite? Can't do much better than Wolf. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/11/17/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html Word is that former Packers general manager Ron Wolf, one of the most respected talent evaluators in the league, is getting ready to return to the game. -- NFL.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 He was the BEST GM of the Salary Cap era. He would do wonders for our drafting abilities. Look at how many awesome late picks this guy made over his last few years: KGB, Tauscher, Donald Driver Mike McKenzie, Aaron Brooks, etc. And he lives in ....Annapolis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Snyder hire a real GM? I just don't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Gibbs.... hire a real GM? I hope it is his decision to make and not Snyders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roqnap1 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 That would be one of the best moves that this FO can make going forward (not looking backward). All I can do is cross my fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 If it aint broke don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21dave Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Didn't Snyder and Wolf already have these discussions a few years ago before they broke down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 If it aint broke don't fix it. Look at our later round draft picks for the last 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Gut Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 that would mean Gibbs would give up his powers and his round table discussion group type setup he has now... hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 didn't wolf say he'd never work the dan snyder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Wonder if Gibbs/Snyder would bite? Can't do much better than Wolf.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/11/17/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html Word is that former Packers general manager Ron Wolf, one of the most respected talent evaluators in the league, is getting ready to return to the game. -- NFL.com We need a GM we have nothing to show from the second day of the draft in some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 didn't wolf say he'd never work the dan snyder? I think that was Marty. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 We need a GM we have nothing to show from the second day of the draft in some time. 2000 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 2 LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State 1 3 Chris Samuels T Alabama 3 64 Lloyd Harrison CB North Carolina State 4 129 Michael Moore G Troy State 5 155 Quincy Sanders DB Nevada-Las Vegas 6 202 Todd Husak QB Stanford 7 216 Delbert Cowsette DT Maryland 7 250 Ethan Howell WR Oklahoma State 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 15 Rod Gardner WR Clemson 2 45 Fred Smoot CB Mississippi State 4 109 Sage Rosenfels QB Iowa State 5 154 Darnerien McCants WR Delaware State 6 186 Mario Monds DT Cincinnati 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane 2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa 3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon 3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah 5 159 Andre Lott FS Tennessee 5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State 6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee 7 230 Jeff Grau C UCLA 7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton 7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida 3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas 7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami 3 81 Chris Cooley FB Utah State 5 151 Mark Wilson T California 6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame 2005 Rd Sel# Player Pos. Ht. Wt. School 1 9 Rogers, Carlos CB 6-0 199 Auburn 1 25 Campbell, Jason QB 6-4 223 Auburn 4 120 White, Manuel FB 6-2 244 UCLA 5 154 McCune, Robert ILB 6-0 243 Louisville 6 183 Newberry, Jared OLB 6-1 234 Stanford 7 222 Broughton, Nehemiah FB 5-11 250 The Citadel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Prime Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 If it aint broke don't fix it. It's broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Didn't Snyder and Wolf already have these discussions a few years ago before they broke down? this was definitely reported a few years back. it was either before Norv's last year or before Spurriers first. I don't remember. Hard to imagine Gibbs would bring someone in who would want the kind of power a guy like Wolf would want. Don't forget Gibbs is the team President, so he would still be the boss of a GM. That would make for a pretty hard working relationship. I have no problems with the guys brought in since Gibbs has been back. The amount of quality lower tier FA's that have worked out pretty much offsets any bad luck on the second day of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I really can't see it happening with the way the FO is set up here. Basically, you'd be asking Gibbs and Ceratto to give up some responsibilities, and I don't think either would. If we had someone else with less experience, I might be for it, but I feel good about the FO the way it is. Part of the problems we've been having has been primarily because of turnover in the FO. Having some consistancy is a good thing, and I don't think Gibbs and crew have done a bad job the past couple of years. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 If he is willing to draft some DL, I'd embrace him with open arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinstzar Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 2000Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 2 LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State 1 3 Chris Samuels T Alabama 3 64 Lloyd Harrison CB North Carolina State 4 129 Michael Moore G Troy State 5 155 Quincy Sanders DB Nevada-Las Vegas 6 202 Todd Husak QB Stanford 7 216 Delbert Cowsette DT Maryland 7 250 Ethan Howell WR Oklahoma State 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 15 Rod Gardner WR Clemson 2 45 Fred Smoot CB Mississippi State 4 109 Sage Rosenfels QB Iowa State 5 154 Darnerien McCants WR Delaware State 6 186 Mario Monds DT Cincinnati 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane 2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa 3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon 3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah 5 159 Andre Lott FS Tennessee 5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State 6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee 7 230 Jeff Grau C UCLA 7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton 7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida 3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas 7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami 3 81 Chris Cooley FB Utah State 5 151 Mark Wilson T California 6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame 2005 Rd Sel# Player Pos. Ht. Wt. School 1 9 Rogers, Carlos CB 6-0 199 Auburn 1 25 Campbell, Jason QB 6-4 223 Auburn 4 120 White, Manuel FB 6-2 244 UCLA 5 154 McCune, Robert ILB 6-0 243 Louisville 6 183 Newberry, Jared OLB 6-1 234 Stanford 7 222 Broughton, Nehemiah FB 5-11 250 The Citadel Wow, that is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 That would be icing on the cake. Please someone put a bug in Gibb's ear to get this man. I'm sure we would get a Legitimate DE if that ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 If it aint broke don't fix it. I think it's pretty clearly broke. Look at any pick past the third round over the past few years. But ....what would Vinny do? He can't play THAT many games of handball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I really can't see it happening with the way the FO is set up here. Basically, you'd be asking Gibbs and Ceratto to give up some responsibilities, and I don't think either would.If we had someone else with less experience, I might be for it, but I feel good about the FO the way it is. Part of the problems we've been having has been primarily because of turnover in the FO. Having some consistancy is a good thing, and I don't think Gibbs and crew have done a bad job the past couple of years. Jason There has been minimal turnover in the front office. Aside from the Marty year, it's pretty much always been Snyder and Vinny calling the shots. Marty fired Vinny, but that Snyder brought him back right away. Spurrier had no say in the front office decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drex Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Ron Wolf's Draft History 1992-2000 2000 1 1 14 14 Bubba Franks TE Miami (FL) 2 2 13 44 Chad Clifton T Tennessee 3 3 12 74 Steve Warren DT Nebraska 4 4 4 98 Na'il Diggs LB Ohio State 5 4 20 114 Anthony Lucas WR Arkansas 6 4 32 126 Gary Berry DB Ohio State 7 5 20 149 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila LB San Diego State 8 5 22 151 Joey Jamison WR Texas Southern 9 7 18 224 Mark Tauscher G Wisconsin 10 7 23 229 Ron Moore DT NW Oklahoma State 11 7 36 242 Charles Lee WR Central Florida 12 7 43 249 Eugene McCaslin LB Florida 13 7 46 252 Rondell Mealey RB Louisiana State 1999 1 1 25 25 Antwan Edwards DB Clemson 2 2 16 47 Fred Vinson DB Vanderbilt 3 3 26 87 Mike McKenzie DB Memphis 4 3 33 94 Cletidus Hunt DT Kentucky State 5 4 36 131 Aaron Brooks QB Virginia 6 4 38 133 Josh Bidwell P Oregon 7 5 26 159 DeMond Parker RB Oklahoma 8 5 30 163 Craig Heimburger C Missouri 9 6 27 196 Dee Miller WR Ohio State 10 6 34 203 Scott Curry G Montana 11 7 6 212 Chris Akins DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff 12 7 7 213 Donald Driver WR Alcorn State 1998 1 1 19 19 Vonnie Holliday DT North Carolina 2 3 29 90 Jonathan Brown DE Tennessee 3 4 29 121 Roosevelt Blackmon DB Morris Brown 4 5 27 150 Corey Bradford WR Jackson State 5 6 3 156 Scott McGarrahan DB New Mexico 6 6 34 187 Matt Hasselbeck QB Boston College 7 7 29 218 Edwin Watson RB Purdue 1997 1 1 30 30 Ross Verba G Iowa 2 2 30 60 Darren Sharper DB William & Mary 3 3 30 90 Brett Conway K Penn State 4 4 30 126 Jermaine Smith DT Georgia 5 5 30 160 Anthony Hicks LB Middle Tennessee State 6 7 12 213 Chris Miller WR USC 7 7 30 231 Jerald Sowell RB Tulane 8 7 39 240 Ronnie McAda QB Army 1996 1 1 27 27 John Michels T USC 2 2 26 56 Derrick Mayes WR Notre Dame 3 3 29 90 Mike Flanagan C UCLA 4 3 32 93 Tyrone Williams DB Nebraska 5 4 28 123 Chris Darkins RB Minnesota 6 6 41 208 Marco Rivera G Penn State 7 7 31 240 Kyle Wachholtz QB USC 8 7 43 252 Keith McKenzie LB Ball State 1995 1 1 32 32 Craig Newsome DB Arizona State 2 3 1 65 Darius Holland DT Colorado 3 3 2 66 William Henderson RB North Carolina 4 3 9 73 Brian Williams LB USC 5 3 26 90 Antonio Freeman WR Virginia Tech 6 4 19 117 Jeff Miller T Mississippi 7 5 26 160 Jay Barker QB Alabama 8 5 36 170 Travis Jervey RB Citadel 9 6 2 173 Charlie Simmons WR Georgia Tech 10 7 22 230 Adam Timmerman G South Dakota State 1994 1 1 16 16 Aaron Taylor T Notre Dame 2 3 19 84 LeShon Johnson RB Northern Illinois 3 4 23 126 Gabe Wilkins DE Gardner-Webb 4 5 15 146 Terry Mickens WR Florida A&M 5 5 18 149 Dorsey Levens RB Georgia Tech 6 6 8 169 Jay Kearney WR West Virginia 7 6 14 175 Ruffin Hamilton LB Tulane 8 6 20 181 Bill Schroeder WR Wisconsin-La Crosse 9 6 29 190 Paul Duckworth LB Connecticut 1993 1 1 15 15 Wayne Simmons LB Clemson 2 1 29 29 George Teague DB Alabama 3 3 25 81 Earl Dotson T Texas A&I 4 5 6 118 Mark Brunell QB Washington 5 5 7 119 James Willis LB Auburn 6 6 1 141 Doug Evans DB Louisiana Tech 7 6 12 152 Paul Hutchins T Western Michigan 8 6 16 156 Tim Watson DB Howard 9 7 15 183 Robert Kuberski DE Navy 1992 1 1 5 5 Terrell Buckley DB Florida State 2 2 6 34 Mark D'Onofrio LB Penn State 3 3 6 62 Robert Brooks WR South Carolina 4 4 19 103 Edgar Bennett RB Florida State 5 5 7 119 Dexter McNabb RB Florida 6 5 18 130 Orlando McKay WR Washington 7 6 17 157 Mark Chmura TE Boston College 8 7 22 190 Chris Holder WR Tuskegee 9 9 6 230 Ty Detmer QB Brigham Young 10 9 16 240 Shazzon Bradley DT Tennessee 11 10 5 257 Andrew Oberg T North Carolina 12 11 7 287 Gabe Mokwuah LB American Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 If it aint broke don't fix it. yep though Wolfe has openly Stated the Skins were a team he's a;ways wanted to work for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The extremist Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 this rumor was brought up before during the spurrier era...if it hasn't happened by now, it wont ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Wolf has got to be in his late 60s or early 70s. I honestly doubt that he would want to take on the demands of running a football team the way a traditional GM would. Those guys work 16-18 hour days just like coaches. Now, I still think that he'd want to pick his coach as 99.9% of GMs would but when your coach is already a HOFer, there's really no need. To me, what it would probably come down to is final say in personnel. Does Wolf have to have it? I doubt that Gibbs would give that up but he seems to be pretty flexible. He's allowing his defensive and special teams staff to have input into the players they will coach. So I doubt that he'd have be opposed to a HOF GM giving his input. I think the move would be to hire him as a personnel consultant of some sort. He's done this on a part time basis for Parcells in the past. If he's looking to really get back into the game on a full-time basis but not as a traditional GM, I think it's a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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