Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 To continue with the older thread about Allen "muzzling" Scot here, since A) the last thread was created by an Eagles fan, and 2) the story has spread much much farther than Scot not talking to the media. Some tweets I on the subject, just to get the ball rolling again: SmootPoint @srenalds 2 years ago, I was ready for the @Redskins to purge everyone & let Scot McCloughan rebuild from scratch. Today, I feel the same. FireScotMcCloughan @TheTLaz Scot McCloughan has a ton of personal issues. Snyder, Allen, Gruden nor Williams have ANYTHING to do with that. But keep deflecting blame KCM Sports @KCMSports Rumor: Scot McCloughan, #Redskins ‘headed to a divorce’ after #NFL Draft - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 So looks like a few well placed sources have alluded to the drinking Its really quite sad, a person with this many opportunities continually squandering them because of alcohol. Hope he can pull it together after this latest episode, if its true of course Wonder if Bruce will hire another GM? Lets go thru the Bruce Allen hires: Mike Shanahan Jay Gruden Scott McCloughan Looks like the organizational accountability is as strong as ever. Speaking of which, I want Scott Campbells job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Get a deal done with Kirk. Hire a new GM who is solely in charge of personnel. Let's roll. I ain't even mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Well, if this somehow is true, its going to be hard rooting for this team next season. McCloughan breathed new life back into me as a fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, zoony said: So looks like a few well placed sources have alluded to the drinking Looks like the organizational accountability is as strong as ever. Speaking of which, I want Scott Campbells job Yeah, SM not being at the combine is about as loud of a tea leaf as you will find. The attempts on here to try and normalize that development were pretty feeble in retrospect. I'm with ya on Campbell. Dude is the Reed Doughty of the FO. It does kinda feel like Bruce has more say on stuff than I would like, but none of that is certain. In fact, none of any of this is certain. I will prep for my next post where I apologize to SM for being wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I thought yesterday everybody was on board with it all being made up and everything returning to normal soon. was new info released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: I thought yesterday everybody was on board with it all being made up and everything returning to normal soon. Not everyone. Still too soon though, we are all trying to forget those posts to avoid embarassment among a lot of solid posters and members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Khan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I love what SM brought to the table and the only way I won't be mad at the organization is if its true he fell off the wagon. I hope that if he is let go that they replace with someone from outside the organization that also has a strong background in scouting. I don't think anyone else in the front office can evaluate players the way SM can and has that BPA approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Cleveland Browns: "People around the league are going to consider us the face of dysfunction for the next 5 years." Dan Snyder: "Hold my beer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 This sealed it for me. The fact that Keim is hearing what Jones is hearing makes me think it's not a matter of "if", it's only a matter of "when". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, zoony said: So looks like a few well placed sources have alluded to the drinking Its really quite sad, a person with this many opportunities continyally squandering them because of alcohol. Hope he can pull it together after this latest episode, if its true of course Wonder if Bruce will hire another GM? Lets go thru the Bruce Allen hires: Mike Shanahan Jay Gruden Scott McCloughan Looks like the organizational accountability is as strong as ever. Speaking of which, I want Scott Campbells job Not arguing wit the overall point but Shanny was thrust upon BA. That was all Dan. Dan hired both at the same time. 2 minutes ago, zoony said: Not everyone. Still too soon though, we are all trying to forget those posts to avoid embarassment among a lot of solid posters and members I think most posters like myself were preaching more let's see what the facts are than anything else. And to be fair, there was also a lot of rush to the worst possible outcome off of very little information. Also, much of the problem continues to be not what is reported but how. It seems many in the local media get their kicks out of reporting things in as negative light as possible. The biggest issue I have with the entire thing is how utterly incompetent the teams PR team is. We went through years of there nothing being sacred to complete silence. Need to find a good balance. Having said that, I can see how the team may have been trying to get through the draft before making any permanent decisions or announcements. Just guessing - hopeful optimism :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 My biggest worry right now (besides losing Scot after the draft) is how big of an effect this will have on FAs wanting to come here. Even if we're doing this to help Scot and there's no dysfunction going on, the perception of dysfunction will hurt us. And perception is reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, zoony said: Not everyone. Still too soon though, we are all trying to forget those posts to avoid embarassment among a lot of solid posters and members I aint afraid of looking stupid (if i am indeed stupid). Id gladly accept my straitjacket and safety helmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr. Sinister said: I aint afraid of looking stupid (if i am indeed stupid). Id gladly accept my straitjacket and safety helmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: My biggest worry right now (besides losing Scot after the draft) is how big of an effect this will have on FAs wanting to come here. Even if we're doing this to help Scot and there's no dysfunction going on, the perception of dysfunction will hurt us. And perception is reality. Best thing this club could do right now like they did with Gruden is announce they have signed KC to a LTD to stay in Washington, like now before free agency starts at 12:01pm, tomorrow,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, RWJ said: Best thing this club could do right now like they did with Gruden is announce they have signed KC to a LTD to stay in Washington, like now before free agency starts at 12:01pm, tomorrow,. Yea, that would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Barbour Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Round the Rumor Mill we go. Media fears stability. Stability is boring and they need to get paid. Thats my belief. I think the Redskins are handling everything like they should. The only people saying they need to stay ahead of the PR issues and make a statement, or they are handling it all wrong.....IS THE MEDIA. The Redskins have no reason to answer or get ahead of the Media DRAMA that they (media) has created. Just stay silent, deal with football operations that happen in the Organization...IN THE ORGANIZATION. Let Mike Jones, who seems to be turning into JReid JR. and the other scrub sites like Rotoworld eat each other alive over all their speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 52 minutes ago, zoony said: So looks like a few well placed sources have alluded to the drinking Its really quite sad, a person with this many opportunities continually squandering them because of alcohol. Hope he can pull it together after this latest episode, if its true of course Wait, what?... Are you talking about where Jones (I think) said something like "all he does is watch football, and, unfortunately, drink"? Or is there something else out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobert Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 No disrespect to anyone with a drinking problem but if I was part of the front office of our beloved Redskins I would probably drink too. In fact Crown Royal has gotten me through many a rough season as a fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseneck Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I thought Grant won a war while drunk. Never realized that the NFL was an AA subsidiary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 NFL Coach Fire and Hire Grades Redskins extend HC Jay Gruden: A- Grade It's about time the Redskins have had some stability. Under Daniel Snyder's watch, the team has gone through countless coaches. Eight, in fact, since 1999. No coach had been with the Redskins for more than four seasons under Snyder, but it appears as though that won't be the case anymore, as Jay Gruden, entering his fourth year in Washington, has been extended though 2020. Having stability in a franchise is crucial, and the Redskins' inability to do so has been the reason why they haven't had much success with Snyder as the owner. That's why they deserve such a good grade for extending Gruden. Granted, Gruden isn't the best head coach, but he has gone 17-14-1 with the Redskins the past two years. That may not sound great, but Washington had just one winning season prior to Gruden's hiring since 2007. I'm giving this an A-. There's still a slight chance that Gruden isn't the answer, which is why this isn't a full "A," but letting Gruden go and hiring someone else would just keep the Redskins encircling their coaching loop of ineptitude. http://walterfootball.com/coachfirehire.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail2theSkins24 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, gooseneck said: I thought Grant won a war while drunk. Never realized that the NFL was an AA subsidiary I think it only becomes an issue if the drinking problem affects the family, which then causes mental stress impacting how well he can maintain and perform his daily responsibilities. Tiger was playing fine when he was banging whoever he wanted...until it impacted his family. Pretty bad analogy but hopefully it gets my point across Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Califan007 said: NFL Coach Fire and Hire Grades Redskins extend HC Jay Gruden: A- Grade It's about time the Redskins have had some stability. Under Daniel Snyder's watch, the team has gone through countless coaches. Eight, in fact, since 1999. No coach had been with the Redskins for more than four seasons under Snyder, but it appears as though that won't be the case anymore, as Jay Gruden, entering his fourth year in Washington, has been extended though 2020. Having stability in a franchise is crucial, and the Redskins' inability to do so has been the reason why they haven't had much success with Snyder as the owner. That's why they deserve such a good grade for extending Gruden. Granted, Gruden isn't the best head coach, but he has gone 17-14-1 with the Redskins the past two years. That may not sound great, but Washington had just one winning season prior to Gruden's hiring since 2007. I'm giving this an A-. There's still a slight chance that Gruden isn't the answer, which is why this isn't a full "A," but letting Gruden go and hiring someone else would just keep the Redskins encircling their coaching loop of ineptitude. http://walterfootball.com/coachfirehire.php Amazo. This site normally chews us up and spits us out when it comes to signings of players, coaches etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 If Keim is reporting it too then it's all but certain that Scot will be gone. Keim has been very fair to this team and the fans. This goes beyond football. If the reports about Scot falling off the wagon are true, then he needs help; and for the sake of himself and his family, I hope he gets that help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Califan007 said: NFL Coach Fire and Hire Grades Redskins extend HC Jay Gruden: A- Grade It's about time the Redskins have had some stability. Under Daniel Snyder's watch, the team has gone through countless coaches. Eight, in fact, since 1999. No coach had been with the Redskins for more than four seasons under Snyder, but it appears as though that won't be the case anymore, as Jay Gruden, entering his fourth year in Washington, has been extended though 2020. Having stability in a franchise is crucial, and the Redskins' inability to do so has been the reason why they haven't had much success with Snyder as the owner. That's why they deserve such a good grade for extending Gruden. Granted, Gruden isn't the best head coach, but he has gone 17-14-1 with the Redskins the past two years. That may not sound great, but Washington had just one winning season prior to Gruden's hiring since 2007. I'm giving this an A-. There's still a slight chance that Gruden isn't the answer, which is why this isn't a full "A," but letting Gruden go and hiring someone else would just keep the Redskins encircling their coaching loop of ineptitude. http://walterfootball.com/coachfirehire.php Head over to the chatroom for awhile to talk FA. Cali 2 minutes ago, Boss_Hogg said: If Keim is reporting it too then it's all but certain that Scot will be gone. Keim has been very fair to this team and the fans. This is goes beyond football. Scot needs help and for the sake of himself and his family, I hope he gets that help. Head over to the chat room and let's discuss this along with FA, BH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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