Burgold Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I don't really disagree with your disagreement, but I still agree with me. I guess I'm agreeably disagreeable or vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 This is the Stork debate part deux, how many weeks does he need to have his head in the playbook before he gets trusted enough to be our starting C. Its based on the premise he is 100% healed, and is hands down better than Long. I have no idea of either, of course. I contend a vet C can come in and contribute sooner than later. He does not need to memorize and master everything Kory knew to contribute. Other OL can help him. We knew this but confirmed it from Trent last game. Coaches don't install the full playbook into every game plan. Kirk can do line calls, as he did for Rib. The big thing I often hear, a new C needs reps with Kirk, learning cadence, gun placement etc. I expect no issues with a pro bowl center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 John Sullivan @JASully65 2h2 hours ago Very excited to be a member of the Washington Redskins! #HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo 3squire Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Love this move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 17 hours ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: I like the idea of this move because I can't believe that Lichtensteiger is doing well. But, if this guy is available and on the street right now can he be a major upgrade? Agreed, but if he's any upgrade at all, I'll take. Major or minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 20 hours ago, Morrison J said: Kory Lich is a bad loss. Far bigger loss than Hall imo. Nobody gave him the credit he deserved for his performances this year. The tape doesn't lie. I have more faith in Bill Callahan than any other coach on our staff though. Think he'll find a way of making things work whether it's with Long or Sullivan at centre. I agree the tape doesn't lie, but what I saw on the tape was KL being ineffective on lots of pass pro and many run plays where DL lined up over him. He was great when his primary run responsibility was second level, but he wasn't moving people off the line. When he did have good run blocks on the line they tended to be finesse blocks where he tricked the DL into committing one way then just kept him going (like you would to execute a reach block). In pass pro I saw a fair amount of whiffs, rag dolls and even one instance of him being thrown onto Cousins. I'm not sure Long or Sullivan will be an upgrade, but I don't think either will be much worse, since KL's weaknesses have more negative impact on our offense than the loss of his strengths. Welcome to the Redskins John Sullivan! Do Len Hauss proud wearing #56! 16 hours ago, RandyHolt said: This is the Stork debate part deux, how many weeks does he need to have his head in the playbook before he gets trusted enough to be our starting C. Its based on the premise he is 100% healed, and is hands down better than Long. I have no idea of either, of course. I contend a vet C can come in and contribute sooner than later. He does not need to memorize and master everything Kory knew to contribute. Other OL can help him. We knew this but confirmed it from Trent last game. Coaches don't install the full playbook into every game plan. Kirk can do line calls, as he did for Rib. The big thing I often hear, a new C needs reps with Kirk, learning cadence, gun placement etc. I expect no issues with a pro bowl center. I'll second that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird_1972 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 25 minutes ago, MassSkinsFan said: I agree the tape doesn't lie, but what I saw on the tape was KL being ineffective on lots of pass pro and many run plays where DL lined up over him. He was great when his primary run responsibility was second level, but he wasn't moving people off the line. When he did have good run blocks on the line they tended to be finesse blocks where he tricked the DL into committing one way then just kept him going (like you would to execute a reach block). In pass pro I saw a fair amount of whiffs, rag dolls and even one instance of him being thrown onto Cousins. I tend to agree. I saw KL as more of a liability than a help. We needed to upgrade at C in the offseason and did not do it (BPA ... I know, I know). Therefore, we got what we got. Sullivan should be an upgrade if healthy. He's a huge guy and anchored a pretty good Minn OL for years. Keep in mind, they released him because there was a younger, cheaper option that ended up earning a starting spot. Not necessarily because of Sullivan's back injury or performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 44 minutes ago, MassSkinsFan said: ....Do Len Hauss proud wearing #56! I'll second that! Tripled. We need to make up for the "Lavar" years after all. Lenny Hauss, nice pull. Speaking of pulling, I can't wait to see him on his first pull, hopefully mauling an NFC east LB or DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Wash Redskins Fans @TheRedskinsFans 2m2 minutes ago Whatever Role Is Asked Out Of Him, John Sullivan Ready To Get Back On Field http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/Whatever-Role-Is-Asked-Out-Of-Him-John-Sullivan-Ready-To-Get-Back-On-Field/8b227ce9-8cbe-42d7-9b6f-54191828a5c4 … #Redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I heard on CSN/Casserly say that he would be active on Sunday. Also, that Long is starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinzplay Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Judging from that interview, it seems like he's ready to roll........and eager to show that he's still got it. Hope we're the right place to give him that second chance he's been looking for. Happy for the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Fun fact: John Sullivan was the 4th C taken in the 2008 NFL draft. The 3rd C taken that year? Kory Lichtensteiger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Redskins Report @redskins_fanly 2m2 minutes ago Redskins preparing John Sullivan to play quickly #Redskins http://app.fanly.me/article/UH4N4Wf84f … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeast Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Anybody have his contract info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 minute ago, RedBeast said: Anybody have his contract info? When you google it nothing comes back yet, I keep an eye out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 17 hours ago, bird_1972 said: Keep in mind, they released him because there was a younger, cheaper option that ended up earning a starting spot. Not necessarily because of Sullivan's back injury or performance. And that will be how he (or whoever becomes our next starting C) will likely be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 hour ago, RedBeast said: Anybody have his contract info? Rich Tandler @Rich_TandlerCSN 40s40 seconds ago @johnnylocal contract not yet filed as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdskn4eva Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 This is an immediate upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 16 hours ago, RandyHolt said: I heard on CSN/Casserly say that he would be active on Sunday. Also, that Long is starting. he kind of has to be. if he isn't our options a C are Williams, who play their a game or two in college and Nick Sundberg, our LS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 hour ago, rdskn4eva said: This is an immediate upgrade Yeah, I'd hate not to be an upgrade to air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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