RichmondRedskin88 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/0709/Confederate-flag-Washington-and-Lee-University-removing-display Reproductions of the Confederate flag will no longer adorn Washington and Lee University’s campus in Lexington, Va., the university president announced Tuesday. However, the school will display historic rebel flags in the university’s Lee Chapel Museum. The move came in response to a request from a group of W&L law-school students known as the Committee, which appealed to the university in the spring to remove the flags, to declare Martin Luther King Day a university holiday, and to take steps to confront the school’s murky history in conjunction with slavery. The Committee members took particular umbrage at the presence of the flags in the part of the chapel where students take an honor oath. Alright I know this could get hairy but let's not let this get heated. Should they have taken the flags from Lee's Chapel or left them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Never understood the desire to fly the flag of traitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Never understood the desire to fly the flag of traitors. And here we go...... Living in the south my entire life, I can say this, without a doubt, nobody should fly a ****ing rebel flag. Like the N word, it has a racist meaning to it, regardless of who defends it. People can say what they want to about how it represents the confederacy and the people that died during the war, blah blah blah. That's just a bunch of dreamed up horse **** for people that are attention whores that want to start controversy or those who are just straight up racist. The only acceptable time to fly a rebel flag, during Civil War reenactments, that's it, period. Any other time, you are going to come across as a racist prick. I'm not saying everyone that flies a rebel flag is a racist, but where I'm from, I'd say its almost guaranteed that if they fly that flag, have stickers on their cars/trucks/etc. that 99/100 of them are racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 We'll I gotta say I'm surprised it took this many posts before the name calling and lack of respect for others opinions started. SMH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 What name calling? Were they not traitors? I mean seriously, grow a set and call a spade a spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 We'll I gotta say I'm surprised it took this many posts before the name calling and lack of respect for others opinions started. SMH. Meaning what? Are you referring to my response? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Meaning what? Are you referring to my response? Just curious. I honestly don't see the issue with either of our posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 And here we go...... Living in the south my entire life, I can say this, without a doubt, nobody should fly a ****ing rebel flag. Like the N word, it has a racist meaning to it, regardless of who defends it. People can say what they want to about how it represents the confederacy and the people that died during the war, blah blah blah. That's just a bunch of dreamed up horse **** for people that are attention whores that want to start controversy or those who are just straight up racist. The only acceptable time to fly a rebel flag, during Civil War reenactments, that's it, period. Any other time, you are going to come across as a racist prick. I'm not saying everyone that flies a rebel flag is a racist, but where I'm from, I'd say its almost guaranteed that if they fly that flag, have stickers on their cars/trucks/etc. that 99/100 of them are racist. Agreed 100% Sorry but they are nothing but traitors to this country and that thing should be taboo just like the Nazi flag in Germany. I love this country and I have no desire to see the logo of people that turned on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGoonie55 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Why must people feel the need to try and change history. It happened. The flags are proof. Removing the proof equates to turning a blind eye. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. We're getting so PC as a nation. (I do not agree with the confederacy, its principles, or otherwise. Just sick of holier than thou people getting involved in stuff they have no business meddling in...IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mocountyskins Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'm one of the people who disagree with the flag being raised at certain times and at certain events. I don't understand waving the confederate flag around. But all the censoring that is going on is getting ridiculous. Anything that can be perceived as offensive is targeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 My comment about name calling was directed at Don't Taze Me Bro. Attention whore, racist etc. symbols have different meaning to different people. JUst as someone referred to a Nazi flag. But look up the origins of a swastika. I didn't start out as a negative symbol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 It's like this, wave your ****ing flag if you want to, but be prepared to be labeled a racist prick. I want everyone here on this board and in this conversation to ask yourself these questions: 1. How many people do you know or know of that fly a rebel flag, wear any clothing with rebel flags on it, car stickers, tattoos, etc? 2. Of those people, what percentage of them are prejudice or racist (and be honest with yourself)? It's as simple as that. The confederacy was for slavery, period. It doesn't matter that it happened hundreds of years ago, or that your family (to your knowledge) didn't own or condone slavery. It's the same as the N word, IMO, and it just needs to go away. My comment about name calling was directed at Don't Taze Me Bro. Attention whore, racist etc. symbols have different meaning to different people. JUst as someone referred to a Nazi flag. But look up the origins of a swastika. I didn't start out as a negative symbol. Really man? You're really going there? Before I go any further, let me ask you where you grew up, where you live now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks for more name calling. You proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks for more name calling. You proved my point. Proved your point? Answer the questions I asked you directly. And do so in a speedy fashion if you can, my last beer is half drank and I need some sleep. Name any logical reason that anyone would fly a rebel flag? And the swastika symbol, really? Ask the Jewish people what they think of a swastika and try to use that defense, see where it gets ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Okay. I can't think of anyone I know that still flys it but have known people who did throughout my life. I'd say the percentage of people I know who flew it at some point and were racist is lower than the percentage of people I know that are racist and don't fly it. I'm from southern Maryland and currently live in Guam. Anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Pressure Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The Confederacy was a rebellion. As the victorious nation, I think the United States has the right to politely ask the conquered peoples and their slack jawed descendants to keep the mementos of their failed attempt at p̶r̶e̶s̶e̶r̶v̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶s̶t̶i̶t̶u̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ...fighting a noble battle over "state's rights" and only state's rights... out of the view of the public. Nobody give me a history lesson. Please. I don't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'd probably agree more if we also asked immigrants from other nations to not fly their flags here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mocountyskins Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 A person might raise a confederate flag because they think it represents states rights. While that person would misinformed that would be a reason. Before anyone goes on just think of this as the Redskins issue instead of confederate flag. Its a touchy subject with no winners. Imo the issues are almost identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I know a black guy with a huge pickup truck who has mounted a large confederate flag on it before. Particularly on the Fourth of July. Loves him some attention. Personally, I'd never even think of flying it or wearing something with it. The better side won, guess I'm on the bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Okay. I can't think of anyone I know that still flys it but have known people who did throughout my life. I'd say the percentage of people I know who flew it at some point and were racist is lower than the percentage of people I know that are racist and don't fly it. I'm from southern Maryland and currently live in Guam. Anything else? So you lived in a border state that during the civil war was too **** to commit to either side of the war, but still condoned slavery. I grew up in NC, in the mountains and I can tell you that 99% of the people I know that flew the flag, or showed it off were racist/prejudiced against black people and other minorities. And it get's even worse when you go to SC or GA. So, if you want to take up for people flying a symbol of racism, then by all means and within your constitutional rights please feel free to do so. Before anyone goes on just think of this as the Redskins issue instead of confederate flag. Its a touchy subject with no winners. Imo the issues are almost identical. Well, the main difference is the term/name Redskins was created by Native Americans to describe themselves. The rebel flag was flown by the confederacy that rebelled against the union states, with condoning slavery as part of their agenda. Completely different when you look at the origin, IMO. I got nothing but love for ya Mocounty, believe dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 So we are clear, you are basing your opinion of every person that flies that flag based on your experience with the people in one region who fly it. I believe there is a word for that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I'd probably agree more if we also asked immigrants from other nations to not fly their flags here. WTF? That has zero to do with this topic. So you condone the rebel flag flying but want to ban immigrants from flying their countries flags? Could you be more of a hypocrite if you tried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Why must people feel the need to try and change history. It happened. The flags are proof. Removing the proof equates to turning a blind eye. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. We're getting so PC as a nation. (I do not agree with the confederacy, its principles, or otherwise. Just sick of holier than thou people getting involved in stuff they have no business meddling in...IMO) So you're saying we should honor that ugly chapter of history just because it's history?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 So we are clear, you are basing your opinion of every person that flies that flag based on your experience with the people in one region who fly it. I believe there is a word for that...... I'm basing it on the fact that it symbolizes racism. If you believe in the Confederate States of America, then you believe in what they stood for, one agenda item was slavery. So please tell me why anyone with a mind, living today, would want to fly a rebel flag knowing the issues/controversy and attention it will cause. Quit dancing around what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Show me where I said I think it is right to fly the flag. I've just been pointing out the problems with your argument and your name calling out of the gate. I also said I'd agree more with telling people they can't fly the confederate flag if immigrants couldn't fly theirs. Someone said since the south lost, we shouldn't fly their flag. Does that mean Mexicans in Texas shouldn't fly a Mexican flag because we beat them and took those areas from Mexico? Edit: are you saying I can't fly a flag unless I agree with 100% of what they stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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