Kilmer17 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Great for your school! This one does. I know of private schools that require coat and ties for males. Does that mean they dont care about thoughts and ideas as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 We'll I wonder if this one can get to seven pages. If he asked her to flip the shirt inside out and refused then I could see a one day suspension. That's just blatantly telling an authority figure to go eff yourself. If he just threw the suspension out their then that seems like he jumped the gun a little bit. Either way he made the choice and stuck by it. We may not agree with it but most likely we don't know the whole story so how can one judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dks1240 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 as for the "why would the girl care about something that happened when she was in middle school" comments of course any normal teenager would care about belittling an authoritive figure no matter how its done...a DUI is a pretty huge deal for an adult (even if it was 6 years ago) especially one in the school system, im sure brining it up is still a touchy subject for the principal and the community. just a quick example. when i was in 10th grade my cross country coach ran into a tree branch and was knocked out and rushed to the hospital in the middle of practice one day, pretty embarassing, right? right. to this day kids (who were in middle school at the time) still give him a hard time about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 No, it means they want to teach them how to be a gentleman. Also it means that they want to stifle individuality so no one appears to be better than someone else. Which is fine for some people. High school is still a popularity contest no matter how you cut it though. This is a public school though. You still conviniently avoid my question about why a tshirt 6 years after the DUI should matter to the asshat principal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoCommiesGo Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 We had a AP Economics / baseball coach at my old HS that got a DWI. Man that never got old around the halls. Mac was a classic ass everytime I see him out at the local bar I usually ask him if he needs a ride. He doesn't like that to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by dks1240 as for the "why would the girl care about something that happened when she was in middle school" comments of course any normal teenager would care about belittling an authoritive figure no matter how its done...a DUI is a pretty huge deal for an adult (even if it was 6 years ago) especially one in the school system, im sure brining it up is still a touchy subject for the principal and the community. So does this mean a kid can't wear a DARE shirt in front of a teacher who had a drug problem? When does this ultra sensitive bullcrap end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff No, it means they want to teach them how to be a gentleman. Also it means that they want to stifle individuality so no one appears to be better than someone else. Which is fine for some people. High school is still a popularity contest no matter how you cut it though. This is a public school though. You still conviniently avoid my question about why a tshirt 6 years after the DUI should matter to the asshat principal... Because the Principal decided it was. That's it. Case closed. You dont get to be the authority. HE DOES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dks1240 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff So does this mean a kid can't wear a DARE shirt in front of a teacher who had a drug problem? When does this ultra sensitive bullcrap end? the article said the school was having problems with kids wearing 'problematic' tshirts. this probably had something to do with the ultra sensitive "bullcrap." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff So does this mean a kid can't wear a DARE shirt in front of a teacher who had a drug problem? When does this ultra sensitive bullcrap end? which brings us full circle. when will the ultra-sensitive crap of "omg, my child can't wear a t-shirt, i'm suing" end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Because the Principal decided it was. That's it. Case closed. You dont get to be the authority. HE DOES. Clearly questioning authority is a bad thing. I don't think much good has ever come out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff Clearly questioning authority is a bad thing. I don't think much good has ever come out of it. questioning authority is different than DISREGARD for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff So does this mean a kid can't wear a DARE shirt in front of a teacher who had a drug problem? When does this ultra sensitive bullcrap end? If the Principal decides that that shirt is a disruption, than YES. It means you cant wear it. Why is this so hard to understand. You dont have freedom of expression rights in school. There are limits. ANd the Principal gets to set them. Dont like it? Go to Private School. But I'll bet that the next school also has rules that need to be followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff Clearly questioning authority is a bad thing. I don't think much good has ever come out of it. Clearly this child was possessed by the devil. Individuality is evil.......evil I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbeskin Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 It's only a T-shirt, god forbid we focus our efforts on keeping drugs and weapons out of the schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 keep in mind, she was suspended for the "freedom of expression" shirt, not the DUI shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by dviands which brings us full circle. when will the ultra-sensitive crap of "omg, my child can't wear a t-shirt, i'm suing" end? When faculty stops being ultra sensitive to tshirts that spread a positive message like "Don't drink and drive." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufumonk Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 If the Principal decides that that shirt is a disruption, than YES. It means you cant wear it. Why is this so hard to understand. You dont have freedom of expression rights in school. There are limits. ANd the Principal gets to set them. Dont like it? Go to Private School. But I'll bet that the next school also has rules that need to be followed. Because raising awareness about an extremely severe problem is such a horrible act? GTFO. Like someone mentioned earlier, does this mean he removes all of the MADD posters and stickers from the school as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by forbeskin It's only a T-shirt, god forbid we focus our efforts on keeping drugs and weapons out of the schools. I'll refer you to this site http://www.fallacyfiles.org/index.html so you can see the error in your statement. Simply put, focus on the tshirt does not mean they arent doing the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Mufumonk Because raising awareness about an extremely severe problem is such a horrible act? GTFO. Like someone mentioned earlier, does this mean he removes all of the MADD posters and stickers from the school as well? If the Principal decides they are a disruption, he can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbeskin Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 I'll refer you to this site http://www.fallacyfiles.org/index.html so you can see the error in your statement. Simply put, focus on the tshirt does not mean they arent doing the other. I can see this is going to be like arguing with a brick wall, I'll just stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff When faculty stops being ultra sensitive to tshirts that spread a positive message like "Don't drink and drive." chicken or egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by forbeskin I can see this is going to be like arguing with a brick wall, I'll just stop now. If by "brick wall" you mean superior intellectual mind, you are correct. Now run along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 If you suspend someone for wearing a t-shirt that reads "don't drink and drive" your reasons should be better then "I am a convicted drunk driver." I agree that the principal can do as she sees fit in her school but parents have a right to ask "why." In this case the answer to the question is unacceptable. A school is supposed to send the right messages to our kids. One of those messages has been "don't drink and drive" for over a decade. Now the schools have to stop delivering these messages becasue faculty at the school may not want to be reminded of their past screw ups? That's absurd. If you can't take it, find a new job. I'd agree with the principal here if the subject matter were different. No ones past is spotless and being mocked by students would be reason to punish them. Sadly in this case the subject matter can not and should not be removed from the school. The principal should swallow his pride or quit. Should have thought of this before he got behind the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Dog Night Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 If by "brick wall" you mean superior intellectual mind, you are correct. Now run along. :laugh: :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Originally posted by Baculus On May 6, Smith wore a different T-shirt, this one reading “Don’t Underestimate Individuality,” her mother said. If the girl isn't trying to make jabs at the principal why would she have worn a shirt so clumsily worded, except for the fact that it spells DUI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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