Darrell Green Fan Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 53 minutes ago, Command The 414 said: https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/college-football/ohio-state-qb-c-j-stroud-declares-for-2023-nfl-draft only difference though imho is Stroud & Williams seem to be on opposite sides of the team mentality…. 1 seems to be about everybody where Williams definitely is a ME type guy. I don’t think ppl mind him not declaring just yet but more so what type of attitude has been surrounding him, his Father and what not…. A lot of drama thus far and he’s not even in the NFL yet What he said. We didn't see the flags with Stroud that we've already seen with Williams. Now I'd be fine with the pick if he fell but still there are concerns. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Command The 414 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 11 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: What he said. We didn't see the flags with Stroud that we've already seen with Williams. Now I'd be fine with the pick if he fell but still there are concerns. Yes there are a lot of flags… but some of me wants to think he has a certain team in mind he’d like to play for and is hoping all his antics cause other teams to shy away… but that’s a dangerous game to play imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/12/2024 at 1:26 PM, HTTRDynasty said: Well, that would have been nice this year. Commanders vs. Panthers. The one game I’d feel confident we could win. That is a dumb idea. Why would the players give a squat? It would be a scrimmage at best and a PP&K competition at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, Dark Acre said: That is a dumb idea. Why would the players give a squat? It would be a scrimmage at best and a PP&K competition at worst. Well it's the chance to end the season wit a win helping you rather than hurting you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Watch this game and then come back and try to tell me we should pass up on a QB. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 37 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Watch this game and then come back and try to tell me we should pass up on a QB. If it’s Daniels I think there is a valid argument to be made. The quarterback you take may not be Stroud. Having said THAT… ya we should take a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, KDawg said: If it’s Daniels I think there is a valid argument to be made. The quarterback you take may not be Stroud. Having said THAT… ya we should take a QB. You gotta take a HR swing when you have an opportunity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 44 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Watch this game and then come back and try to tell me we should pass up on a QB. Many in Carolina are disagreeing with you right now.....how would you like to draft the next Bryce Young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: You gotta take a HR swing when you have an opportunity Again, this comes down to what you would consider an opportunity. If they don’t view Daniels as a franchise level guy and Williams didn’t declare, hypothetically, do you swing at a guy you don’t believe is a franchise guy at 2? What is Maye goes 1 and our guys have Nix as QB2. Do they swing at 2 for Nix? Absolutely not. Granted, this argument is more theoretical than actual, but simply saying you have to swing when you have the chance doesn’t do the conversation justice, imo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: Many in Carolina are disagreeing with you right now.....how would you like to draft the next Bryce Young? I dont make decisions based out of fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Anyone last year say Stroud was a better pick over Bryce? I want to hear what THAT guy lady says. Edited January 14 by RandyHolt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Warhead36 said: I dont make decisions based out of fear. I don't think any of these teams make decisions out of fear, and if QB is the pick our guys take then I hope it works out as much as you do. Decisions will be made based on scouting, interviews, analytics and what's best for the team. If Maye, Daniels or Williams is the pick I'll buy in but history doesn't lie, it's a crapshoot. Hopefully we'll have a coaching staff in place to make it work. Here's a question: Is Drake Maye a better QB prospect than Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold, Bryce Young, Daniel Jones, Tua, Baker Mayfield? I'd like to know how he compares to guys like this pre-draft. I just hope that if we do go QB it's because we feel like he's a slam dunk NFL QB who will make everyone else better. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatNFLChick Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, RandyHolt said: Anyone last year say Stroud was a better pick over Bryce? I want to hear what THAT guy says. Waves hand! I didn't like Bryce and even if I did if you have two QBs ranked closely why would you pick the one WITHOUT any intangibles like height? It was such a nonsensical decision. Also Louis Riddick always said Stroud > Young 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 13 minutes ago, KDawg said: Again, this comes down to what you would consider an opportunity. If they don’t view Daniels as a franchise level guy and Williams didn’t declare, hypothetically, do you swing at a guy you don’t believe is a franchise guy at 2? What is Maye goes 1 and our guys have Nix as QB2. Do they swing at 2 for Nix? Absolutely not. Granted, this argument is more theoretical than actual, but simply saying you have to swing when you have the chance doesn’t do the conversation justice, imo I agree with you, there's a difference between making a pick out of need and making a pick out of desperation. Yes, we have the #2 pick and yes we are desperate for a QB but we also have options and don't have to build this all in one draft depending on the offers we get for the #2 pick. What if our scouts have MHJ as the best prospect in the draft by far and Maye as a slightly better prospect than Bo Nix? If Maye is considered the best QB available by a large margin over the 2nd tier then take him. I'm good with that...just make sure we are convinced he has all the intangibles and is worth the #2 pick in the draft over everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, kingdaddy said: I agree with you, there's a difference between making a pick out of need and making a pick out of desperation. Yes, we have the #2 pick and yes we are desperate for a QB but we also have options and don't have to build this all in one draft depending on the offers we get for the #2 pick. What if our scouts have MHJ as the best prospect in the draft by far and Maye as a slightly better prospect than Bo Nix? If Maye is considered the best QB available by a large margin over the 2nd tier then take him. I'm good with that...just make sure we are convinced he has all the intangibles and is worth the #2 pick in the draft over everyone else. I think they will do this, and I think they’ll find Williams and Maye worth 2. Daniels probably, too. But he has a real high bust factor that scares the pine tar out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 15 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: Anyone last year say Stroud was a better pick over Bryce? I want to hear what THAT guy lady says. I did. Look up last years draft thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said: Waves hand! I didn't like Bryce and even if I did if you have two QBs ranked closely why would you pick the one WITHOUT any intangibles like height? It was such a nonsensical decision. Also Louis Riddick always said Stroud > Young I have edited my post to say lady 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 20 minutes ago, RandyHolt said: Anyone last year say Stroud was a better pick over Bryce? I want to hear what THAT guy lady says. I thought he was better. But I kept coming back to Young’s playmaking ability and it’s so hard to write that off. So I had Stroud at 2. Looking back, playmaking ability is a bad reason to have an undersized QB ranked ahead of a larger one. And if we were picking in QB position I may have swapped them but, alas, I didn’t. Now, nothing is to say Young is going to be a total bust and Stroud a HoFer. Just not a favorable start for Young at all. And if he doesn’t flip it next year he’s in trouble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I did. Look up last years draft thread Why did you not believe consensus last year, but do this year? Assuming you are Caleb is the no brainer 1OA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatNFLChick Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 12 minutes ago, KDawg said: I thought he was better. But I kept coming back to Young’s playmaking ability and it’s so hard to write that off. So I had Stroud at 2. Looking back, playmaking ability is a bad reason to have an undersized QB ranked ahead of a larger one. And if we were picking in QB position I may have swapped them but, alas, I didn’t. Now, nothing is to say Young is going to be a total bust and Stroud a HoFer. Just not a favorable start for Young at all. And if he doesn’t flip it next year he’s in trouble. Tbh, I am bias. In general I don't trust Alabama QBs (don't like the offensive system). I didn't like Tua or Mac Jones either. Bryce was fine but he never wow'd me and just didn't have any elite traits. Pair that with him being abnormally short for the position and it was a no go for me. I think I had him 4th but I only really liked Stroud in that class - wasn't high on Richardson or Levis either (though I thought taking Levis in the 2nd was fine) Edited January 14 by ThatNFLChick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyst Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Last year the Texans won 3 games. This year they win 10 games, make the playoff and now have a playoff win. I wonder if there were Texan fans wanting to keep Davis Mills because “he was not put in a good position to win”. In the famous words of Stacey King, “big time players make big time plays”. The Texans aren’t magically better. Stroud made them better. We need to find that QB. Edited January 14 by dyst 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Texans ran the Joe Gibbs/Mark Rypien sprint bomb play today where the QB rolls far to his right and then throws a bomb to a wide open receiver for an easy TD. Gorgeous play that's an easy throw for a QB with an arm. Rypien was brilliant on this play. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, RandyHolt said: Why did you not believe consensus last year, but do this year? Assuming you are Caleb is the no brainer 1OA. I actually like Maye more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Warhead36 said: I dont make decisions based out of fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan66 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 48 minutes ago, dyst said: Last year the Texans won 3 games. This year they win 10 games, make the playoff and now have a playoff win. I wonder if there were Texan fans wanting to keep Davis Mills because “he was not put in a good position to win”. In the famous words of Stacey King, “big time players make big time plays”. The Texans aren’t magically better. Stroud made them better. We need to find that QB. Stacey King hit on that one. Before the game I watched a interview with Stroud and he said, the QB's job is to make everybody around him better. The next Mahomes, they both have lot's of passion and leaders. Talent is not the only thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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