illone Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 8 hours ago, RWJ said: He reminds me a little bit of Darren Lee Sproles. Can you see it? Maybe it's just me. LOL It's just you 😂 Sproles was 5'6" and looked like Tom & Jerry running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panninho Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 32. Washington Commanders Total rookie snaps: 1,547 Notable rookies: • CB Emmanuel Forbes (57.6 coverage grade, 2.0 yards per coverage snap) https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-the-nfls-most-productive-2023-rookie-draft-classes-from-1-to-32 Surprisingly, our 2023 draft class ranks dead among the draft classes. I am so glad, we have new leadership. I like Ron as a person but he was in over his head and it didn't help that he surrounded himself with even more incompetent people. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 hours ago, Panninho said: 32. Washington Commanders Total rookie snaps: 1,547 Notable rookies: • CB Emmanuel Forbes (57.6 coverage grade, 2.0 yards per coverage snap) https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-the-nfls-most-productive-2023-rookie-draft-classes-from-1-to-32 Surprisingly, our 2023 draft class ranks dead among the draft classes. I am so glad, we have new leadership. I like Ron as a person but he was in over his head and it didn't help that he surrounded himself with even more incompetent people. Surprisingly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panninho Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 37 minutes ago, Conn said: Surprisingly? I thought everything that I wrote afterwards put enough context to it to tell that it is in fact not surprising. 🙃 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantu Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Tanner McLachlan, TE Arizona. Has anyone here watched any meaningful amount of film on him? I don't have access to all 22's, but any highlight vidz I watch intrigue me. Longer, leaner body type, but seems to be able to move really well. Day 3 developmental guy, perhaps?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) Erick All, TE from Iowa is someone I am really intrigued by. First, any TE from Iowa will get my attention. And I know he has battled injuries, but he's someone that would be high-upside flier in the 4th-5th round range if we don't address the position earlier via Sander, Sinnett, Stover, etc. Just scanning through some 7-round mock drafts and the three that I saw had him at R5 Pick 158, Round 6 Pick 192, and Undrafted. Seems like a logical target in the R5-6 range. Edited April 3 by JamesMadisonSkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Erick All, TE from Iowa is someone I am really intrigued by. First, any TE from Iowa will get my attention. And I know he has battled injuries, but he's someone that would be high-upside flier in the 4th-5th round range if we don't address the position earlier via Sander, Sinnett, Stover, etc. Just scanning through some 7-round mock drafts and the three that I saw had him at R5 Pick 158, Round 6 Pick 192, and Undrafted. Seems like a logical target in the R5-6 range. Agree, I like him in the 5/6 round range too. But Sinnott earlier would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Erick all anywhere after the 4th would be huge value. Guy's great when healthy. But he also strikes me as the kinda guy who I could see a team getting real excited about and wanting to plant their flag before someone else can get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Do we have a list of our top 30 visits ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) Every year I like to go back through and re-draft for the Commanders based off of the actual draft results. Who would I have taken instead? This year, I have a feeling I won't have too many changes, because we have a competent FO. In year's past, there were dozens of different moves I would have made instead of our picks, and many times in hindsight those pan out (hello Trey Smith). Anyway, it's a bit of a fruitless exercise to do before the draft because we have no idea where any of these guys will really go. But based off the PFF prospect rankings, I have laid out three scenarios that IMO provide a pre-draft best case scenario in matching up needs and BPA through our picks. There's Version 1, which is our current pick allotment, and Version 2, which is a version with one desired trade-back. The third version incorporates two trades to get into perfect position to hit every position I want and player I want within the BPA framework. Version 1: No Trades Version 2: One Trade Version 3: All the trades: Edited April 3 by JamesMadisonSkins 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Man if we got Maye, Morgan, AND McConkey in one draft thatd be ridiculous. Three prime position starters on rookie contracts for 4-5 years is insane. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Man if we got Maye, Morgan, AND McConkey in one draft thatd be ridiculous. Three prime position starters on rookie contracts for 4-5 years is insane. If you told me we'd come out of Day 2 with Maye, Morgan, McConkey, Sanders and Rosengarten I would do backflips You could hit defensive depth the rest of the way but that would be hella juicy. I think my biggest fear is that this FO just goes true BPA and ends up with a bunch of defensive guys. Like a DE, LB, CB, SAF ... and we got nothing on offense until pick #78 or #100. I don't think that will happen, and maybe it would be the right move long-term, but I am really hoping we just load up the offense through R3. Edited April 3 by JamesMadisonSkins 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodpecker Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: If you told me we'd come out of Day 2 with Maye, Morgan, McConkey, Sanders and Rosengarten I would do backflips You could hit defensive depth the rest of the way but that would be hella juicy. Definitely. Sanders went way earlier than that in our ES draft, but there are other good TEs that we can get with that pick. Maybe Theo Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantu Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, woodpecker said: Definitely. Sanders went way earlier than that in our ES draft, but there are other good TEs that we can get with that pick. Maybe Theo Johnson. Is Sanders highly regarded (relatively speaking) amongst most of this board? Looks slow and lumbering to me, but I'm sure I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, Bantu said: Is Sanders highly regarded (relatively speaking) amongst most of this board? Looks slow and lumbering to me, but I'm sure I'm missing something. He's got a wide range ... I have seen some talk of him sneaking into the late 1st and several mocks with him slipping to the early to mid 3rd. My guess is somewhere in the 50-70 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Rudimentary first round mock 2.0: 1. Chicago-Caleb Williams 2. Washington-Drake Maye 3. New England-Jayden Daniels 4. Arizona-Marvin Harrison jr 5. Minnesota(from LA Chargers)-JJ McCarthy 6. NY Giants-Malik Nabors 7. Tennessee-Joe Alt 8. Atlanta-Dallas Turner 9. Chicago-Rome Odunze 10. NY Jets-Brock Bowers 11. LA Chargers(from Minnesota)-Taliese Fuaga 12. Denver-Jared Verse 13. Las Vegas-Michael Penix jr 14. New Orleans-Brian Thomas jr 15. Indianapolis-Quinyon Mitchell 16. Seattle-Jackson-Powers Johnson 17. Jacksonville-Troy Fautanu 18. Cincinatti-JC Latham 19. LA Rams-Jer'zhan Newton 20. Pittsburgh-Amarius Mims 21. Washington(from Miami)-Ola Fashanu 22. Philadelphia-Nate Wiggins 23. LA Chargers(from Minnesota)-Laiatu Latu 24. Dallas-Graham Barton 25. Green Bay-Byron Murphy 26. Kansas City(from Tampa Bay)-Troy Franklin 27. Arizona-Terrion Arnold 28. Buffalo-Xavier Worthy 29. San Francisco(from Detroit)-Tyler Guyton 30. Baltimore-Kool-Aid McKinstry 31. Detroit(from San Francisco)-Cooper Dejean 32. Tampa Bay(from Kansas City)-Jordan Morgan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodpecker Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 6 minutes ago, Bantu said: Is Sanders highly regarded (relatively speaking) amongst most of this board? Looks slow and lumbering to me, but I'm sure I'm missing something. Well, that could just be one person. But in researching the TEs, most places I looked seem to have him in their top three TEs, and going somewhere in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Sanders scored terribly in the athleticism tests. I think he'll fall hard. Personally, I wouldn't take a TE until like round 5. Its just an awful class after Bowers and there will be better players at more premium positions in the top 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantu Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 30 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Sanders scored terribly in the athleticism tests. I think he'll fall hard. Personally, I wouldn't take a TE until like round 5. Its just an awful class after Bowers and there will be better players at more premium positions in the top 100. That is kind of where I am. He looked very unathletic, but I'm no scout so I figured I was missing something. The kid from Arizona, MacLachlan looks like an interesting day 3 prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 minutes ago, Bantu said: That is kind of where I am. He looked very unathletic, but I'm no scout so I figured I was missing something. The kid from Arizona, MacLachlan looks like an interesting day 3 prospect Just because we need a TE doesn't mean we should draft one. But, we are fortunate that Peters seems to have an eye for unrecognized TE talent. Taking a flyer on a TE prospect is okay but even using pick 139 may mean that some other team selects Zac Zinter OG before we get to our next pick at 152. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 5 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Every year I like to go back through and re-draft for the Commanders based off of the actual draft results. Who would I have taken instead? This year, I have a feeling I won't have too many changes, because we have a competent FO. In year's past, there were dozens of different moves I would have made instead of our picks, and many times in hindsight those pan out (hello Trey Smith). Anyway, it's a bit of a fruitless exercise to do before the draft because we have no idea where any of these guys will really go. But based off the PFF prospect rankings, I have laid out three scenarios that IMO provide a pre-draft best case scenario in matching up needs and BPA through our picks. There's Version 1, which is our current pick allotment, and Version 2, which is a version with one desired trade-back. The third version incorporates two trades to get into perfect position to hit every position I want and player I want within the BPA framework. Version 1: No Trades Version 2: One Trade Version 3: All the trades: It wouldn't surprise me to see us with 11 or 12 draft picks in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 I really wish we could have an apples to apples comparison of this QB class to those in the past. I do not remember a class that had so many 1st round options at QB. The last one had to be 2018. And even in that draft, the guys at the top weren't the ones who ultimately succeeded. While I could see Penix, Nix or McCarthy ending up as the top QBs in the class in hindsight, it seems like a longer-shot than the 2018 class. Lamar and Allen were special coming out but were raw and had questions about their ability to be pocket passers. While I expect the order to be 1. Williams 2. Maye 3. Daniels 4. McCarthy 5. Penix 6. Nix ... If 2024 played out like 2018, we'd be looking back in 2030 ranking the QBs: 1. Penix 2. Daniels 3. Williams 4. Maye 5. McCarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rook Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 hours ago, Bantu said: Tanner McLachlan, TE Arizona. Has anyone here watched any meaningful amount of film on him? I don't have access to all 22's, but any highlight vidz I watch intrigue me. Longer, leaner body type, but seems to be able to move really well. Day 3 developmental guy, perhaps?? SIP has a post about him on page 163 on the ES GM Mock Draft thread. The Rook 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) *wrong thread* Edited April 3 by illone wrong thread lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Really appreciate all the TE talk, especially the mid to later day possibilities. We really need an all around player who can contribute early. After Bowers I like Sinnott, but not until the 3rd round. I don't see any of them being worth a round 2 grade or selection...but you know at least one of them will go in the 2nd. I'd like in the back half of the 5th-6th round to grab Wiley or McClachlan but not sure they last. Alt's injury history scares me but if he were to last this late would be worth it. 19 hours ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Every year I like to go back through and re-draft for the Commanders based off of the actual draft results. Who would I have taken instead? This year, I have a feeling I won't have too many changes, because we have a competent FO. In year's past, there were dozens of different moves I would have made instead of our picks, and many times in hindsight those pan out (hello Trey Smith). Anyway, it's a bit of a fruitless exercise to do before the draft because we have no idea where any of these guys will really go. But based off the PFF prospect rankings, I have laid out three scenarios that IMO provide a pre-draft best case scenario in matching up needs and BPA through our picks. There's Version 1, which is our current pick allotment, and Version 2, which is a version with one desired trade-back. The third version incorporates two trades to get into perfect position to hit every position I want and player I want within the BPA framework. I am not big with mocks but I love the effort you Chump and some of the others put into these. I think you have captured some great potential outcomes including some trades that fit what I believe Peters will be looking for. Really like your passion to grab Zinter later, that's a potential steal for the future! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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