2020 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[volsmet]

The best guard in the land, Sir Trey of Knoxvillia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

8 minutes ago, SemperFi Skins said:

Check out Albert Okwuegbunam... My favorite TE by a mile.... Dude would do some damage in this offense. Perfect red zone target, very slippery through the defense. Tracks the ball wall and goes up for it. Not shy of contact.

 

The dude is a bull... He's what I envisioned a healthy Jordan Reed would be.

 

 

 

 

Has he gotten better as a blocker?  I watched him last year in part because of Lock.  Haven't paid attention this year.  The dude certainly can catch. 

[Skinsinparadise]

I've watched some Kmet, who plays physical, looks like a do it all type. But would also have to improve as a blocker. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ExoDus84]

If we lose out in the Tua sweepstakes, what do you guys think about Herbert? I've been watching some vids of him, the "all plays vs" type of videos, and I'm not really that impressed. His accuracy seems average at best and his film just doesn't jump out at me. He's getting a ton of hype and I don't really get it. 

 

 

[volsmet]

52 minutes ago, ExoDus84 said:

If we lose out in the Tua sweepstakes, what do you guys think about Herbert? I've been watching some vids of him, the "all plays vs" type of videos, and I'm not really that impressed. His accuracy seems average at best and his film just doesn't jump out at me. He's getting a ton of hype and I don't really get it. 

 

 

From what little I’ve seen, I think he’s the same as every other guy in the nfl. I’d rather pay Herbert 3 million than pay the other guy 25 million, but that’s not worth a top 10 pick, obviously. Things haven’t seemed to come too quickly for him when I’ve watched.

 

 

[RemoveSnyder]

1 hour ago, ExoDus84 said:

Herbert?

 

Herbert drops dimes every single game.

And there's certainly a lot more I could write about that.

 

Nonetheless, I believe the single most important quotient for Quarterback, any and all QBs, are the psych evals.

And I'm certain there are standardized psych tests that teams do, notably new england. 

 

That obviously comes after the baseline threshold of physical attributes are confirmed. And on that note Herbert has undeniably pronounced physical attributes. 

[volsmet]

You hate to see youngsters going through things like this, nfl football is absolutely nuts.
 

DARIUS LEONARDLB, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

Darius Leonard admitted to questioning his playing future after missing three weeks with a concussion.

Leonard suffered a crippling headache for two-plus weeks after being concussed Week 2 against the Titans, citing a collision with Derrick Henry as the likely event that left him with the brain injury. During his time away from the team, Leonard debated his NFL future. "That’s when I really started thinking, ‘Wait a minute. Now I have a wife and kid," Leonard recalls. "I’ve had a headache for three weeks. Will I ever be the same? Do I keep playing? You have those thoughts in the back of your head." Leonard obviously is returning and has cleared the league's protocol, but it was a scary enough situation that who knows what will happen if/when he suffers another one. NFL players have certainly become more mindful of their long-term futures in recent years.

SOURCE: The Athletic

Oct 14, 2019, 6:43 PM ET

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[Going Commando]

3 hours ago, ExoDus84 said:

If we lose out in the Tua sweepstakes, what do you guys think about Herbert? I've been watching some vids of him, the "all plays vs" type of videos, and I'm not really that impressed. His accuracy seems average at best and his film just doesn't jump out at me. He's getting a ton of hype and I don't really get it.

 

In short, he's a lesser prospect than Haskins.

 

Big arm.  Big frame.  Breathtaking ability to push the ball outside the numbers and challenge safeties over the top.  Very athletic.  Needs a bit of a runway in the pocket but not nearly as much as a typical 6'7 QB.

 

Benefits from the best OL play in the country, but still very inconsistent.  Seen him playing through a straw too often.  And the accuracy comes and goes.  Unless their run game is humming, really labors to keep the chains moving.  He's not a workhorse passer who can run a short and intermediate game in his sleep.  He's a play action passer who needs the run game establishing the rhythm for the offense the excel.

 

He's going to be a first round pick though.  His physical tools are top notch.

18 minutes ago, volsmet said:

You hate to see youngsters going through things like this, nfl football is absolutely nuts.

 

God that is scary stuff.  This game is insane.

[Skinsinparadise]

Man the TV announcer just now said you can't block an "elite" pass rusher like Preston Smith like that.  That was painful to hear. 

[volsmet]

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Man the TV announcer just now said you can't block an "elite" pass rusher like Preston Smith like that.  That was painful to hear. 

We could probably turn Chase Young into Courtney Brown. 

[volsmet]

See Fulton at CB 2 with some regularity:

*Fulton & Delpit v Bama, run back with Diggs & McKinney v the LSU WRs, will be glorious.

 

 

 

 

[volsmet]

No trading down if we can land Chase:

 

Young will be the best DE in the league quickly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Going Commando]

Going back to how crazy that Darius Leonard scenario is, that's why I don't have a problem with the NFL trying to get the dangerous headhunters out of the league like they did with Burfict.  I want Neal's ass gone next.

 

The prevalence and severity of brain injuries is the reason I can't be sure there will still be an NFL in 30 years.  The game is going to have to continue evolving.  We're going to have to completely take away high hits from the game, as well as take away the offensive player's ability to duck their heads into contact.

[Skinsinparadise]

5 hours ago, volsmet said:

No trading down if we can land Chase:

 

Young will be the best DE in the league quickly.

 

 

 

To me it depends if we can get a sick deal like what we gave up for RG3 but otherwise I am 100% on the Young hype.  Bosa has helped transform the SF defense.  And Young is even more talented.  An elite pass rusher can transform a defense.

 

 

 

[Skinsinparadise]

We’ve reached the halfway point of the 2019 college football season for all schools across the country and at such a time, we present the 2019 iteration of our Midseason All-American Team.

Utilizing our play-by-play grades of every player on every play of every game, our list of All-Americans takes into account every player’s actions on the field on Saturdays while also utilizing our wealth of signature statistics to determine the list. The strength of opponent and consistent play are also factors in our selections detailed below.

The 2019 Midseason All-American Team by PFF:

 

QUARTERBACK

First-Team QB: Joe Burrow, LSU

No quarterback is grading higher than Burrow is at this moment and with signature wins over Texas and Florida, the Tigers’ signal-caller is leading the race towards the Heisman Trophy for good reason. He’s the best quarterback throwing to seemingly any location of the field and has fared extremely well from a clean pocket this season, a metric proven to be stable from week to week and we expect this success through the back half of the schedule in 2019.

Second-Team QB: Jalen Hurts, Oklahoma
Honorable Mention: Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama

RUNNING BACK

First-Team RB: Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin

No running back has more rushing conversions through seven weeks than Taylor, as the aptly-nicknamed Jonathan-Taylor-Touchdown (JTT) has found the end zone a national-best 14 times and moved the ball for a first down on 36 more carries. His 6.4 yards per carry have seen him gain an average of 4.00 yards after contact and break 39 tackles on the ground while he’s added a much-needed receiving element to his game to the tune of four receiving touchdowns. The best running back in football is now the best all-around back in football.

Second-Team RB: J.K. Dobbins, Ohio State
Honorable Mention: LeVante Bellamy, Western Michigan

RUNNING BACK

First-Team RB: Chuba Hubbard, Oklahoma State

Even with a week off in Week 7, Hubbard still possesses a 278-yard advantage over the next closest running back in terms of total rushing yards. He’s gained 1,094 on 163 carries, averaging a ridiculous 6.7 yards per carry and has run national-best 26 carries of 10 or more yards. He’s got great vision and great burst through the holes as he’s dealing with inferior run-blocking in front of him than the likes of fellow First-Team RB in Taylor.

Second-Team RB: AJ Dillon, Boston College
Honorable Mention: Cam Akers, Florida State

 

 

WIDE RECEIVER

First-Team WR: Isaiah Hodgins, Oregon State

No receiver has more big-time catches — PFF’s highest-graded receptions — than Hodgins as he’s become a true threat to catch any pass thrown his way this year. On 68 targeted passes so far, Hodgins has hauled in all 51 catchable pass his way for nine touchdowns and 33 more first downs. He’s moving the chains and scoring touchdowns while averaging 13.8 yards per catch. In a disappointing season for the Beavers defense, Hodgins has been an incredibly bright spot on offense.

Second-Team WR: Omar Bayless, Arkansas State
Honorable Mention: Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State

WIDE RECEIVER

First-Team WR: Justin Jefferson, LSU

Jefferson is the second-highest graded receiver in all of college football, ripping off 40 receptions on 46 targeted passes. His 87.0% catch rate is the best among receivers with at least 27 total throws their way in 2019 and his contested-catch percentage sits firmly at 100%. He’s the nation’s only receiver to see more than four contested targets thrown his way and still maintain that 100% contested-catch rate, as he’s hauled in all seven that have come his way.

Second-Team WR: Ja’Marr Chase, LSU
Honorable Mention: Jerry Jeudy, Alabama

WIDE RECEIVER

First-Team WR: Ceedee Lamb, Oklahoma

Lamb’s highs have been among the country’s brightest performances this season, most notably against Texas when he ripped off three touchdowns on 10 receptions and was nearly impossible to tackle. His seven forced missed tackles are a game-high for any receiver this season as he now has forced 10 missed tackles on 28 receptions while gaining 287 yards after the catch.

Second-Team WR: James Proche, SMU
Honorable Mention: Devin Duvernay, Texas

TIGHT END

First-Team TE: Jacob Breeland, Oregon

Unfortunately, we’ve seen the last of Breeland this season after he was injured during their last outing against Colorado and will be unable to play anymore in 2019. That being said, when Breeland was on the field in 2019, he was dominant as the Ducks’ go-to guy over the middle of the field. He hauled in 26 receptions on just 32 targeted passes, seeing the national-best 158.3 passer rating on his targets. He led the country through the first half of the season with six touchdown receptions while also moving the sticks for 11 more first downs.

Second-Team TE: Josh Pederson, UL-Monroe
Honorable Mention: Giovanni Ricci, Western Michigan

 

 

OFFENSIVE TACKLE

First-Team OT: Penei Sewell, Oregon

Not only the country’s top offensive tackle, not even the country’s top offensive lineman — Sewell is currently the highest-graded player on offense regardless of position. He’s already in the PFF record books as the highest-graded true freshman tackle and he’s currently on pace to break the record for the highest-graded single season from an offensive tackle in our time of grading college football. Dominant in all facets, Sewell has allowed all of four pressures on 223 pass-blocking reps while leading the country with an astounding 93.6 run-blocking grade.

Second-Team OT: Andrew Thomas, Georgia
Honorable Mention: Thayer Munford, Ohio State

OFFENSIVE GUARD

First-Team OG: Wyatt Davis, Ohio State

The Buckeyes are certainly in the running for the best overall team this season and Davis is a key cog on their offensive line that allows their offense to fire on all cylinders. He’s a shining example in the run game, paving the way for multiple wide-open lanes on the interior for Dobbins while limiting his pass-rushers to just seven total hurries this season on his 189 reps in pass protection. He’s blocking against stout competition and winning the vast majority of those reps.

Second-Team OG: Shane Lemieux, Oregon
Honorable Mention: Nolan Laufenberg, Air Force

CENTER

First-Team 😄 Matt Hennessy, Temple

Not even close, the First-Team spot slides to Hennessy with ease as he’s the nation’s top center by a considerable margin. He’s currently just one of two centers with elite pass-blocking grades and is the only center with an elite run-blocking grade as he makes the Temple offense move. He’s allowed just one pressure on 253 snaps in the passing game and is nearly 8.0 grade points ahead of the next-closest center in run-blocking grade.

Second-Team 😄 Dawson Deaton, Texas Tech
Honorable Mention: Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma

OFFENSIVE GUARD

First-Team OG: Michael Onwenu, Michigan

The Wolverines haven’t necessarily been known for their offensive prowess so far in 2019 but Onwenu is more than deserving of praise on Michigan’s offense. He’s allowed just six total pressures on 225 pass-blocking snaps and has been integral in getting their rushing game going. When rushing to either side of Onwenu this year, Michigan running backs are averaging over 2.0 yards before contact with a defender, the best of any gap on the offensive line for the Wolverines.

Second-Team OG: Kevin Dotson, Louisiana
Honorable Mention: Kendrick Green, Illinois

OFFENSIVE TACKLE

First-Team OT: Josh Jones, Houston

Houston’s highest-graded player in 5-of-6 contests this season, Jones has been utterly dominant for the Cougars in what has turned out to be an odd season. Jones is as stout in pass protection as they come, having allowed just two hurries on 209 pass-blocking snaps and sits firmly just behind Sewell in run-blocking grade this year. He’s made a name for himself not only in the college football world but also as a potential first-round talent in the 2020 NFL Draft.

Second-Team OT: Robert Hunt, Louisiana
Honorable Mention: Blake Brandel, Oregon State

EDGE DEFENDER

First-Team Edge: Chase Young, Ohio State

Currently on pace to set PFF records, Young is winning 36.9% of his pass-rushing snaps this season as he’s the country’s best player at any position. He’s currently grading out at 96.7 overall and has 29 total pressures on his 127 pass-rushing snaps. A year after leading the country in total pressures, the way Young is playing so far in 2019 will see him lead the nation in overall grade by some distance.

Second-Team Edge: Jonathan Greenard, Florida
Honorable Mention: James Lynch, Baylor

EDGE DEFENDER

First-Team Edge, Zack Baun, Wisconsin

The race to be the best edge-defender-not-named-Chase-Young is heating up and is one that Baun currently leads. After a great game against Michigan State, Baun leads the charge as he now has a couple of shining moments as well as consistent pressure from the edge. He dropped back into coverage to beautifully intercept an underneath pass against Michigan State that he housed for six points while he’s recorded 24 total pressures that include six sacks and six QB hits.

Second-Team Edge: Curtis Weaver, Boise State
Honorable Mention: Quincy Roche, Temple

DEFENSIVE INTERIOR

First-Team DI: Neville Gallimore, Oklahoma

An absolute monster up the middle for Oklahoma, Gallimore and Marquise Overton are arguably the country’s best 1-2 punch in the defensive interior as Gallimore is currently beating all Power-5 interior defenders in overall grade. He’s consistently double-teamed yet has recorded 20 total QB pressures, forced two fumbles and made his way to another eight defensive stops in the run game. He’s winning pass-rushes at a high rate for his position as well and is quick with both his hands and his feet, something he showcased mightily against Texas.

Second-Team DI: Derrick Brown, Auburn
Honorable Mention: Jack Heflin, Northern Illinois

DEFENSIVE INTERIOR

First-Team DI: Marvin Wilson, Florida State

Before their game against Clemson, Wilson was not only leading just interior defensive linemen in pressures, he was up there among all defensive players in total pressures, with 21. Kept in check against the Tigers, Wilson’s dominant 2019 season has been one of the few bright spots for the Seminoles this year as he’s recorded four sacks, five QB hits and another 12 hurries while racking up 11 stops in run defense as well. Wilson and Cory Durden push the aforementioned duo of Gallimore and Overton for the top interior duo so far in 2019.

Second-Team DI: Jordan Elliott, Missouri
Honorable Mention: Garrett Marino, UAB

LINEBACKER

First-Team LB: Jordyn Brooks, Texas Tech

Leading all linebackers with a whopping 29 QB pressures (on just 59 pass-rushing snaps), Brooks is also second to just Evan Weaver in total defensive stops this year as he’s recorded 39. He’s leading the country with 31 of those defensive stops coming against the run and he’s missed just one tackle against the opponent’s passing game as he’s become a true three-down threat at linebacker for the Red Raiders.

Second-Team LB: Nick Bolton, Missouri
Honorable Mention: Carlton Martial, Troy

LINEBACKER

First-Team LB: Cale Garrett, Missouri

We won’t see any more of Garrett in 2019 after suffering a pectoral injury against Troy, but in his five games, Garrett was arguably the nation’s best coverage linebacker. In fact, his 91.4 coverage grade is the best mark among linebackers as he nearly had two pick-6 moments against Troy in his final outing, coming just one yard shy of two interceptions returned for touchdowns. In total, he was targeted 12 times and he allowed just 33 yards into his coverage while finishing with three interceptions and two more pass breakups to see a 30.6 passer rating when targeted.

Second-Team LB: Chris Orr, Wisconsin
Honorable Mention: Jan Johnson, Penn State

CORNERBACK

First-Team CB: Deommodore Lenoir, Oregon

If you haven’t watched the Ducks secondary this season, you’ve missed out on some beyond-stellar play. Lenoir is the tip of that coverage iceberg as he’s been targeted 26 times and allowed just 11 receptions. He’s incredibly sticky in coverage against any type of receiver as he can run with the best of them and follow along with any route on the route tree. He’s made three defensive stops in the coverage game and four more against the run as he’s not afraid to take on any challenge that comes his way.

Second-Team CB: Luq Barcoo, San Diego State
Honorable Mention: Patrick Surtain II, Alabama

CORNERBACK

First-Team CB: Jeffrey Okudah, Ohio State

Showing off his ball skills on the true national stage, Okudah made headlines with his interception from his backside against Nebraska, but his other pick on the night was even more impressive. He beautifully read the route from the receiver and ran the out route better than the offensive player to step in front of it for the interception. For the year, he has three interceptions, three pass breakups and is limiting quarterbacks to just a 49.1 passer rating on throws into his coverage.

Second-Team CB: Derek Stingley Jr., LSU
Honorable Mention: Trevon Diggs, Alabama

SAFETY

First-Team S: Antoine Winfield Jr., Minnesota

Winfield is powering a Gopher secondary that is far exceeding expectations this year as he’s put up dominant numbers wherever he lines up. In a true testament to his all-around ability, Winfield has recorded six QB pressures, 11 total defensive stops and has elite grades in coverage as the primary coverage defender. In fact, he’s allowed just six catches his way to go to just 14 yards after the catch and has intercepted two balls of his own. He’s putting up plus-numbers across the board and is one of the nation’s elite at the position.

Second-Team S: Myles Bryant, Washington
Honorable Mention: J.R. Reed, Georgia

SAFETY

First-Team S: Jordan Fuller, Ohio State

Fuller and Okudah are two shining examples of how to play their positions and they both happen to play in the same secondary. Fuller roams the field and has made multiple plays on the ball in coverage, notably on passes not even into his primary coverage area, and he has two interceptions and a pass breakup to his credit this year while not missing a tackle against the passing game all season long.

Second-Team S: Tanner Muse, Clemson
Honorable Mention: Douglas Coleman III, Texas Tech

 

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-2019-midseason-all-american-team

[Skinsinparadise]

I bet it ends up close to this as for the top 5

 

 

 

[volsmet]

4 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Going back to how crazy that Darius Leonard scenario is, that's why I don't have a problem with the NFL trying to get the dangerous headhunters out of the league like they did with Burfict.  I want Neal's ass gone next.

 

The prevalence and severity of brain injuries is the reason I can't be sure there will still be an NFL in 30 years.  The game is going to have to continue evolving.  We're going to have to completely take away high hits from the game, as well as take away the offensive player's ability to duck their heads into contact.

The emphasis on offensive players lowering the head never took ... it was never called & nothing changed. Using the crown of the helmet as a weapon is seen in every game every week.

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Based on the all Americans above, Oregon should be better, if Herbert is in the conversation for best in the country.

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Haskins beating out Joe Burrow is worth mentioning again, he beat out Burrow for one of the best college coaches in the history of the game.

 

 

[Going Commando]

Had some takes from the Iowa--Penn State game I wanted to mention:

 

- These Big 10 defenses are legit.  They're markedly better than the SEC defenses this year.  We're going to have to start talking about prospects from Wisconsin and Penn State in addition to our discussions about the Ohio State guys.

 

- #54 on Penn State did a fair Aaron Donald impression in that game.  He was the most impactful player on the field, but I get the sense that kind of effort isn't routine with him.  Fifth year senior, maybe it's just taken this long for the lightbulb to come on.  I'm also kind of wondering what his NFL position will be.  He doesn't have the look of a traditional NFL 1 tech.  I think his NFL coach has to be willing to use him the same way Penn State does.  A Gap penetrator is his role, where his extreme quickness is most valuable.  He's not going to be a fit for everyone.

 

- #99 Gross-Matos is legit.  VT and UVA really needs to be keeping these guys in-state.  He's huge and athletic and incredibly active.  He was the second best player on the field for most of the night and his battles with those two Iowa tackles were fun.  I would say elite motor and body frame.  Very good play recognition skills.  Good quickness and general athleticism.  Average power but he's not weak and he does play physical.  He's interesting as a five technique rusher and I think he'd get more pressure if Penn State didn't use him so conservatively.  He actually reminds me quite a bit of Preston Smith, just with less functional power.  My gut take is that he's a first rounder.  If he was stronger, he'd be a dominant player so he could be a good project that pays big dividends following proper development, in much the way that Danielle Hunter did.

 

- Wirfs seemed to have a pretty clean night, I think he had one holding call but it was pretty borderline.  My sense was that he had a pretty clean sheet and that it was the rest of the OL that really struggled.  The middle of their line was a disaster.  Just couldn't get anyone blocked.  That plus Stanley's very sketchy play are the main reasons they lost.  Stanley is big and strong but the decision making and field vision just aren't there with him.  I wouldn't be willing to invest in him as an NFL prospect until the end of the draft.

 

- Epenesa looked good.  Not spectacular, but very good.  It was an easy match up night for him.  He's not going to be a fit for everyone, but he's a good power end who should make for a high quality five technique prospect.  He's been facing a huge portion of doubles this season, looked like that game was one of the first where he's gotten steady single blocking and he gave that poor freshman LT everything he could possibly handle.  His arm length is awesome and he has a ton of functional power.

 

- Penn State has a waterbug playmaking WR prospect, #1 Hamler, who looks like an interesting NFL talent.  He's very small, but he is very dynamic.  CoD skills are first rate and the acceleration is special.  The commentary team compared him Percy Harvin and I thought that was a pretty fair approximation of what his role is on that team, but Harvin was bigger and stronger than him.  i can't see him being an early draft pick because of how small he is, but I thought the same thing of Marquise Brown and he went in the first in a pretty good WR class.  This WR class is a whole different animal though.  I think I like him as an early day three prospect given the size constraints and depth of talent at his position.  I like him as a low voluem weapon who can to take slants and screens to the house against poorly called coverages, and for his return value, where I feel we could use a major upgrade.

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

If Herbert is the best available QB in this draft (when we pick), then I'm fine trading back and rolling with Haskins again.  Assuming we can see more of Haskins as the season progresses.

 

Herbert has a few things that worry me.  Throwing in a non-clean pocket, he's off, which isn't surprising in general, but he looks like he really needs things to go right for his throwing motion.  His preferred throwing release is a little slow.  His best throws are when he's got time and slows down his throwing motion.  When he speeds up the release his accuracy suffers.

 

He's an interesting prospect, and I only watched one game, but I worry a bit about how some of what he does translates to the next level.

[volsmet]

50 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Had some takes from the Iowa--Penn State game I wanted to mention:

 

- These Big 10 defenses are legit.  They're markedly better than the SEC defenses this year.  We're going to have to start talking about prospects from Wisconsin and Penn State in addition to our discussions about the Ohio State guys.

 

- #54 on Penn State did a fair Aaron Donald impression in that game.  He was the most impactful player on the field, but I get the sense that kind of effort isn't routine with him.  Fifth year senior, maybe it's just taken this long for the lightbulb to come on.  I'm also kind of wondering what his NFL position will be.  He doesn't have the look of a traditional NFL 1 tech.  I think his NFL coach has to be willing to use him the same way Penn State does.  A Gap penetrator is his role, where his extreme quickness is most valuable.  He's not going to be a fit for everyone.

 

- Penn State has a waterbug playmaking WR prospect, #1 Hamler, who looks like an interesting NFL talent.  He's very small, but he is very dynamic.  CoD skills are first rate and the acceleration is special.  The commentary team compared him Percy Harvin and I thought that was a pretty fair approximation of what his role is on that team, but Harvin was bigger and stronger than him.  i can't see him being an early draft pick because of how small he is, but I thought the same thing of Marquise Brown and he went in the first in a pretty good WR class.  This WR class is a whole different animal though.  I think I like him as an early day three prospect given the size constraints and depth of talent at his position.  I like him as a low voluem weapon who can to take slants and screens to the house against poorly called coverages, and for his return value, where I feel we could use a major upgrade.

#54, the big cheese, a prospect from Wisconsin who went to school in fondue, few things could be better.

 

Hamler is incredible, I doubt he comes out, but he’s someone I really like as well, as I suspect most everyone else does. He reminds me of a beautiful song:

 

He’s twitchy & a nittany lion, a nittany lion that's right on time
He’s twitchy, twitchy (twitchy) twitchy

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

2 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I bet it ends up close to this as for the top 5

 

 

 

Perfect.

 

Puts us right in Chase Young range.

[Going Commando]

I've been fascinated with the secondary of the Green Bay Packers this season.  It's really changed my conception of how to build a high end modern secondary.  They have a rotation of largely interchangeable parts that generally goes about seven deep and there isn't necessarily that one or two shut down guys.  It's a big platoon and they cover inside and outside and in man and zone and part of that rotation is basically a three man safety group where they alternate between high zones and the box.

 

They have figured out and achieved the best way to cover motion heavy spread offense.  And it's taken a very heavy investment in the secondary with first and second round picks.

 

I think we need to get away from thinking that doing something like picking a Jeff Okudah and then telling him to go match up and shut a guy down is enough of an investment to field a competent secondary.  Instead we need a platoon of good generalists.  That's why I think trading down makes sense.  I think we need perhaps four more defensive backs who aren't on the roster today before we can hope to field a good secondary.  And that assessment still banks on one of Moreau or Moreland panning out.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

PFF's mocks always funkier than the norm

 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-2020-nfl-mock-draft-lsu-quarterback-joe-burrow-goes-no-1-overall-to-cincinnati-bengals

 

1. CINCINNATI BENGALS: QB JOE BURROW, LSU

Burrow has sustained elite play every game for half a season. He’s torched one of the best secondaries in college football. He’s got a stronger arm and quicker release that Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa. We’ve never seen a quarterback with a higher passing grade through the first seven weeks of the season. He may not be at the top of boards right now, but he’s shooting his way up there.

2. MIAMI DOLPHINS: EDGE CHASE YOUNG, OHIO STATE

I firmly believe the Dolphins didn’t gut their roster completely to get a consolation prize at QB. If they don’t have their guy at number one overall, they’ll go best player available. With the highest pass-rushing grade we’ve ever seen from a defensive lineman, Young certainly qualifies as that. 

3. WASHINGTON REDSKINS: CB JEFFREY OKUDAH, OHIO STATE

Back-to-back Buckeyes, as Young and Okudah are the two highest defensive players on our board. Okudah has only given up a passer rating of 58.4 in his coverage for his career. He has all the length and athleticism to be a shut-down man corner in the NFL. 

4. ATLANTA FALCONS: EDGE AJ EPENESA, IOWA

Epenesa’s 2019 hasn’t been the dominance that we’ve seen from Chase Young, but the tools didn’t all of a sudden go away. His 26 pressures are only the 18th-most among edge defenders in the country this season.

5. NEW YORK JETS: OL ANDREW THOMAS, GEORGIA

Thomas has taken his game to another level in 2019. Whether it was pitching a shutout in pass protection against a talented Notre Dame edge group or his 91.2 run-blocking grade that’s the third-highest in the country, the junior looks like a special prospect. 

6. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS: WR JERRY JEUDY, ALABAMA

The Jags would have to be running to the podium if Jeudy is still on the board at this point. He’s as special a WR prospect as we’ve seen since we started grading in 2014. Jeudy has broken 27 tackles on 110 catches over the past year and a half.

7. CLEVELAND BROWNS: OL ALEX LEATHERWOOD, ALABAMA

Leatherwood gets the nod over Wirfs for the Browns because of his length and proven ability on the left side. He’s been dominating in his own right after switching from right guard. The Alabama left tackle has only allowed three pressures so far this season after yielding 21 a year ago.

8. MIAMI DOLPHINS (VIA STEELERS😞 OL TRISTAN WIRFS, IOWA

Wirfs is a building block for the Dolphins OL with emphasis on the block. Wirfs has seen both his pass- and run-blocking grades improve every season of his career so far and is probably the strongest player in the country as only a true junior.

9. NEW YORK GIANTS: DI DERRICK BROWN, AUBURN

Even with some talent already on the Giants interior, I can’t feasibly foresee Dave Gettleman passing on a player with Brown’s profile. The Auburn defensive tackle runs 6-foot-5, 318 pounds and is arguably the most powerful run defender to come out in recent memory. He’s taken his game to another level as a pass-rusher this season as well with an elite 90.0 pass-rush grade.

10. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS: QB TUA TAGOVAILOA, ALABAMA

There’s a good chance the NFL won’t be as high on Tua as the general media. He also really hasn’t had to do much this season. Tagovailoa has only seven big-time throws on the year, which ranks 48th in the country. With the wheels falling off in LA, a top-10 pick might be time to look at Rivers replacement.

 

11. TENNESSEE TITANS: S GRANT DELPIT, LSU

Delpit is built to play safety in the NFL today. Of his 356 snaps this season, 128 have come deep, 139 over the slot and 71 in the box. Him seamlessly filling all those roles and only allowing five catches so far this year is a fit for every defense in the league.

12. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS: CB KRISTIAN FULTON, LSU

Fulton has already given up more yards this season than he did in all of 2018, but over half of those came in the Texas game where he rolled his ankle in the first quarter. In all other games, he’s allowed 11-of-21 targets for only 110 yards and broken up three passes. He’s still one of the most complete corners in the draft, and the Bucs still need as much help as they can get at the position.

13. DENVER BRONCOS: QB JUSTIN HERBERT, OREGON

You can’t tell me that John Elway would pass on Herbert if the Oregon quarterback fell in his lap. His arm talent is off the charts, but he’s come up noticeably small in a number of big games throughout his career. He’s earned only a 79.5 passing grade against Power 5 competition over the past two seasons.

14. ARIZONA CARDINALS: WR CEEDEE LAMB, OKLAHOMA

They loaded up at the position in last year’s draft, but now the Cardinals need game-changers. With how deep the WR class is, talent should get pushed down boards much like last year. Arizona would be the beneficiary, as Lamb is a top-five player on our board. Body control, route running, ball skills, you name it, Lamb has it. His 4.39 yards per route ranks third in the country this year.

15. DALLAS COWBOYS: WR LAVISKA SHENAULT JR., COLORADO

Shenault is still more of an offensive weapon than pure wide receiver, but the Cowboys could use the former, as well. His 34 broken tackles after the catch since the start of last year are six more than any other Power 5 receiver in the draft class.

[volsmet]

Leatherwood in the top 10 is interesting, I need to watch him & I absolutely need to check out Burrow, I haven’t seen any LSU this year. 
 

Payne dominating Bradley Chubb in off rating. That’s why they pay ES scouts the big bucks. Incidentally, Sweat has a higher rating than Chubb as well. 
 

The Edge life continues to get more difficult, particularly when your team rarely leads.

 

 

[KDawg]

Tua falling to 10 would be absolutely shocking. 

 

Herbert to 13 is a bit more believable...

 

Curious where Hurts winds up.

 

I don't see us taking Okudah. Well, I do.... But I wouldn't. I think Wirfs may be a better prospect right now. I mean I can't know for sure yet... Haven't watched a ton of either, but as far as big board goes Wirfs is pretty high up there. Thomas, too.