2019 Comprehensive Draft Thread

[Skinsinparadise]

17 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

I haven't been too impressed with our outside pass rush save for the last game. 

 

If Anderson was drafted as an OLB, do we really think he can't add something to our pass rush and, if not, is he likely to just be a career backup/rotational guy? 

 

Where do you think he'll go in the draft? 

 

Judging by early mocks, 2nd round, though Kiper has him in the late first.

[Koolblue13]

@bird_1972 last game he had 11 plays 1 sack. About the same rhe week before. 

[bird_1972]

3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Two Clemson kids, two Alabama kids, Oliver, Willis, Simmons, the kid from Notre Dame.  Eight potential first or early second round DTs. Rashan Gary also there as a tweener.  And then probably five more edge players in that range too.

 

There will be attrition and some guys will go back to school.  But this is going to be a banner DL class no matter what.  It's the strength of the first round by a mile.  This will be a good year to grab a DL in the 20s who would normally go in the early teens or top ten.

 

Do you consider these guys DE in a 3-4 or more EDGE pass rushing guys like Von Miller? 

 

[OVCChairman]

25 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

I haven't been too impressed with our outside pass rush save for the last game. 

 

If Anderson was drafted as an OLB, do we really think he can't add something to our pass rush and, if not, is he likely to just be a career backup/rotational guy? 

 

Where do you think he'll go in the draft? 

 

 

This is kind of a deep question because I don't think schematically it's as easy as 'were not getting outside pass rush.'  

 

To be honest, I don't think we've been playcalling to produce that outside pass rush.  We've actually been utilizing Kerrigan and Smith in other facets on defense.  I believe I even saw Preston Smith in coverage against Greg Olsen when we played the Panthers.  

 

In 6 games we've played this year... 4 of them have shown the ability to beat you with their legs.  Luck, Rodgers, Newton, Prescott.  Now Luck and Rodgers aren't going to run for 100 yards, but they are able to break the pocket completely to extend the play and beat you down field.  I can absolutely see a shift in mentality over these 6 weeks where the emphasis on the OLBs, now that we have confidence in our interior, is to maintain disciplines in gap coverage, and to make sure we aren't pass rushing ourselves into problematic plays.  We have faced some very VERY good RBs, (D. Johnson, McCaffrey, Zeke, Kamara) who can beat you in the passing game, especially if you're undisciplined and find yourselves rushing upfield and allowing them to slip out to the flat, or kill you on a screen.  I don't think we're asking our OLBs to be as pass rush heavy, because we have the interior line that can bottle up the LOS. 

 

When we played Carolina, every time I was paying attention, Kerrigan was crashing down on McCaffrey.  My gut tells me, he was schemed that way during the week.  He was told... in the triple option / RPO look, your assignment is the RB... PERIOD.   This opened it up for Brown to be a spy and focus specifically on Cam which actually resulted in a sack / TFL.  Now this is speculation as I havent gone back and broken down every play on defense, but watching some highlights, and seeing specific flashes, I just feel like schematically were doing something a bit different than in years passed.  Before, when we have ZERO interior pressure, we relied on Kerrigan / Smith / Orakpo / (insert OLB name here) to produce that pressure as a necessity, because they were the best athletes on the line... that just not the case anymore, so we can used them as actual OLBs.  

[Malapropismic Depository]

Hard to get excited about next year's draft, when I'm reminded that we'll be picking at #31.

[bird_1972]

@OVCChairman Love the analysis. Thanks. 

 

So it begs the question whether or not with teams like Atlanta and TB that we will have them assume more pass rush duties since we don't have an elite RB to worry about defending?

[Koolblue13]

Just now, bird_1972 said:

@OVCChairman Love the analysis. Thanks. 

 

So it begs the question whether or not with teams like Atlanta and TB that we will have them assume more pass rush duties since we don't have an elite RB to worry about defending?

We should be sacking the living hell out of Eli.

[bird_1972]

7 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

We should be sacking the living hell out of Eli.

 

We need to worry a bit about Barkley. 

 

I would assume his presence alone would necessitate some containment by the OLBs much like we had to do for McCaffrey and Elliot.

[OVCChairman]

14 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

We should be sacking the living hell out of Eli.

 

This... but I think NYG / ATL / TB o-lines are bad enough, we may be able to do it without completely forgetting about the RB.  We should win most individual battles against the Giants O-line without needing to bring more than 4.  That would lead me to believe the line of Kerrigan / Smith / Payne / Allen is gonna get a lot of run.  2 high safeties over the top to provide support, then have a good bit of zone and have Foster / Brown spy Barkley depending on which side of the line he comes out of.  Eli is not going to break the pocket and run for 8, so whoever isn't on Barkley, needs to see ball / get ball.  

 

Sorry, not to get into a defensive thread in the draft thread lol...

 

 

 

I guess my whole point on this is, I'd be looking more ILB / hybrid type than I would OLB, because I think Anderson is good enough to play for the next few years.  

[bird_1972]

11 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

I guess my whole point on this is, I'd be looking more ILB / hybrid type than I would OLB, because I think Anderson is good enough to play for the next few years.  

 

I'd LOVE an ILB

[OVCChairman]

8 minutes ago, bird_1972 said:

 

I'd LOVE an ILB

 

 

Just asking... are you not comfortable with the 2 we have now? 

 

[bird_1972]

2 minutes ago, OVCChairman said:

Just asking... are you not comfortable with the 2 we have now? 

 

 

I think it's an area we could upgrade. Someone faster/more athletic. 

 

Mason to me is just slightly better than "JAG".

[OVCChairman]

1 minute ago, bird_1972 said:

 

I think it's an area we could upgrade. Someone faster/more athletic. 

 

Mason to me is just slightly better than "JAG".

 

I actually think a little more of him... He leads the team in tackles, has 2 TFL this year, and he looks like were not asking him to play coverage as much as we used to.  Now if Luke Kuechly or a complete game breaker is available, i'm good with an upgrade...  I wouldn't mind having a hybrid guy you bring in for passing packages who can flex out and play coverage, (thats kind of Harvey-Clemons, and he may well be that piece) but I don't know if I want to use any big resources there in the middle.  

[Koolblue13]

Just now, bird_1972 said:

 

I think it's an area we could upgrade. Someone faster/more athletic. 

 

Mason to me is just slightly better than "JAG".

SDH

[OVCChairman]

8 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

SDH

 

 

you're right, Dion Hamilton, not Harvey-Clemons

[Skinsinparadise]

I recall reading elsewhere Hand was having a big rookie year but a 90 rating that's insane -- elite score from PFF.  Wonder if PFF's sort of in a sneaky way skews some of their scores for college players they loved -- I recall they loved Hurst in the draft.

 

1. Pro Football Focus‏Verified account @PFF Oct 24

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   Da'Shawn Hand continues to impress on the defensive interior.

   

    

2. After generating pressure on almost 30% of his pass-rushing attempts, Da'Shawn Hand is one of our Secret Superstars this week. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-secret-superstars-week-7 …

   

[Going Commando]

3 hours ago, Skinsinparadise said:

I recall reading elsewhere Hand was having a big rookie year but a 90 rating that's insane -- elite score from PFF.  Wonder if PFF's sort of in a sneaky way skews some of their scores for college players they loved -- I recall they loved Hurst in the draft.

 

They have a consistently flawed grading system.  They don't know what they're doing and their grading and analysis are not very valuable.

[Skinsinparadise]

6 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

They have a consistently flawed grading system.  They don't know what they're doing and their grading and analysis are not very valuable.

 

PFF is flawed indeed but Hand is getting big buzz beyond his PFF score. 

[OVCChairman]

I wish Rondale Moore was a senior... dude could be a major piece.  

[clskinsfan]

Hakeem Butler is something else ya'll. I dont see breakaway speed. But ridiculous hands and power. 6'6 220 WR. He is a redshirt soph so I dont know if he will come out. But the guy is something else.

[Going Commando]

Josh Allen is winning me over.  I still wish he was twitchier and more flexible when flattening out his speed rushes.  And I wish he did a better job diagnosing runs and shucking blockers.  I'm not blown away by his physicality.  But he just keeps making plays.  He's the heart of a fantastic defense.  There is something special going on with that Kentucky defense this season, and he's the key to it.  He's more than the sum of his parts.

 

The lateral quickness is fantastic.  The size and the build are exactly what you want at the position.  The power to set a strong edge is there.  The hand speed is excellent.  Balanced feet in coverage and very good hip fluidity.  The pass rush productivity has been elite despite the fact he spends so much time in coverage.  This kid looks like a prototypical three down OLB for both 3-4 and 4-3 base fronts.  He's going to go in the first round.  He makes his defense better in a variety of ways.

[BigHuv21]

4 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Josh Allen is winning me over.  I still wish he was twitchier and more flexible when flattening out his speed rushes.  And I wish he did a better job diagnosing runs and shucking blockers.  I'm not blown away by his physicality.  But he just keeps making plays.  He's the heart of a fantastic defense.  There is something special going on with that Kentucky defense this season, and he's the key to it.  He's more than the sum of his parts.

 

The lateral quickness is fantastic.  The size and the build are exactly what you want at the position.  The power to set a strong edge is there.  The hand speed is excellent.  Balanced feet in coverage and very good hip fluidity.  The pass rush productivity has been elite despite the fact he spends so much time in coverage.  This kid looks like a prototypical three down OLB for both 3-4 and 4-3 base fronts.  He's going to go in the first round.  He makes his defense better in a variety of ways.

Jonathan Allen isn’t too bad either 

[Burgundy Yoda]

26 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Josh Allen is winning me over.  I still wish he was twitchier and more flexible when flattening out his speed rushes.  And I wish he did a better job diagnosing runs and shucking blockers.  I'm not blown away by his physicality.  But he just keeps making plays.  He's the heart of a fantastic defense.  There is something special going on with that Kentucky defense this season, and he's the key to it.  He's more than the sum of his parts.

 

The lateral quickness is fantastic.  The size and the build are exactly what you want at the position.  The power to set a strong edge is there.  The hand speed is excellent.  Balanced feet in coverage and very good hip fluidity.  The pass rush productivity has been elite despite the fact he spends so much time in coverage.  This kid looks like a prototypical three down OLB for both 3-4 and 4-3 base fronts.  He's going to go in the first round.  He makes his defense better in a variety of ways.

Some players just understand what it takes mentally to make plays despite not being the most athletically gifted. We have a few guys like that on our defense 

[bird_1972]

On 10/26/2018 at 4:14 PM, Koolblue13 said:

SDH

 

Sure, but I still consider it a relative area of weakness - if SDH breaks into the starting lineup and shows he can be healthy, I'm all for it. 

[Skinsinparadise]

PFF mock

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pff-2019-nfl-mock-draft-2

 

1. ARIZONA CARDINALS – EDGE NICK BOSA, OHIO STATE

The Cardinals take the best player in the draft and Bosa instantly upgrades their pass-rush after grading at an elite 90.0-plus in his two-plus years of college.

2. NEW YORK GIANTS – QB JUSTIN HERBERT, OREGON

After taking Saquon Barkley instead of a quarterback a year ago, the Giants get a chance for redemption by taking Herbert. There’s still room to grow in Herbert’s development but he has the accuracy, velocity and athleticism to carry his strong college production to the NFL.

3. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS – CB GREEDY WILLIAMS, LSU

Williams has played below his high expectations this season, but he has all of the necessary tools to develop into a press man corner and he’s allowed a passer rating of 40.1 into his coverage this season.

4. OAKLAND RAIDERS – CB DEANDRE BAKER, GEORGIA

It’s a great draft to revamp a weak defense and it starts with Baker, the top-graded corner in the nation at 91.4 overall to go with a passer rating of only 31.3 into his coverage.

5. CLEVELAND BROWNS – DI QUINNEN WILLIAMS, ALABAMA

The Browns still have work to do along the defensive front and Williams has emerged as the nation’s top-graded defensive player at any position with his 95.6 overall grade.

6. BUFFALO BILLS – DI JEFFERY SIMMONS, MISSISSIPPI STATE

A necessary interior disruptor for the Bills, Simmons is excellent in the run game and one of the draft’s best interior pass-rushers, as evidenced by his 90.8 overall grade this season.

7. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS – DEFENSIVE INTERIOR ED OLIVER, HOUSTON

The Colts are still looking for defensive playmakers and Oliver can disrupt from the interior, though he’s still not as polished as a pass-rusher as you’d like to see from an undersized lineman.

8. NEW YORK JETS – OT JONAH WILLIAMS, ALABAMA

The Jets grab the top offensive tackle in the draft in Williams who has the nation’ best overall grade at 89.3 while allowing only four pressures on the season.

9. DENVER BRONCOS – DI DEXTER LAWRENCE, CLEMSON

Few interior defensive linemen can stop the run and push the pocket quite like Lawrence and he has three straight years in which he’s graded between 84.0 and 90.0 in the PFF system.

10. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS – WR JJ ARCEGA-WHITESIDE, STANFORD

The wide receiver class is wide open, but Arcega-Whiteside may have the best combination of body control and ball skills as he’s earned a passer rating of 138.7 when targeted this season.

11. OAKLAND RAIDERS (FROM DALLAS) – S DEIONTE THOMPSON, ALABAMA

Another defensive playmaker for the Raiders, Thompson is a do-it-all safety who can play center field, in the box or in the slot, all leading to the top grade among safeties at 92.0 overall.

12. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS – OT DALTON RISNER, KANSAS STATE

The Bucs upgrade at tackle where Risner has put together an outstanding four-year career and he currently has the No. 5 overall grade among tackles at 85.5 while his 91.9 pass-blocking grade ranks second.

13. TENNESSEE TITANS – WR N’KEAL HARRY, ARIZONA STATE

Another big-bodied receiver with contested catch skills, Harry adds an outside weapon for the Titans’ offense and he’s averaged 6.1 YAC per reception this season.

14. OAKLAND RAIDERS (FROM CHICAGO) – EDGE BRIAN BURNS, FLORIDA STATE

The defensive trifecta is completed by adding Burns, who currently leads the nation with 51 total pressures and adds a much-needed athletic edge defender to Oakland’s front-seven.

15. DETROIT LIONS – WR A.J. BROWN, OLE MISS

With Golden Tate in a contract year, Brown takes his slot skills to Detroit where he can create after the catch (6.0 YAC per reception) or down the field.

16. MIAMI DOLPHINS – QB DWAYNE HASKINS, OHIO STATE

The second quarterback comes off the board in Haskins, who still has some work to do, especially after rough games on the road, but the Dolphins need to take a chance as they look to replace Ryan Tannehill. Haskins has graded at 91.2 from a clean pocket, but only 38.3 on his 67 pressured dropbacks.

17. ATLANTA FALCONS – DI DRE’MONT JONES, OHIO STATE

Jones is a disruptor on the interior, ranking third among interior defensive linemen at 92.3 overall to go with 23 pressures on the season.

18. GREEN BAY PACKERS – EDGE JOSH ALLEN, KENTUCKY

One of the best stories of the season, Allen has been outstanding for Kentucky, topping all edge defenders with a 92.8 overall grade. He has 41 total pressures and his ability to drop into coverage gives him great versatility in defensive coordinator Mike Pettine’s scheme.

19. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES – CB BYRON MURPHY, WASHINGTON

Murphy moves well and he has the ball skills to immediately upgrade Philadelphia’s secondary as he has 12 pass breakups this season, fifth in the nation.

20. CINCINNATI BENGALS – LB DEVIN WHITE, LSU

White is an excellent athlete and he’s done a much better job of harnessing his ability this season, leading to an 84.2 overall grade and 17 pressures as a blitzer. He’ll add much-needed athleticism to the middle of the Cincinnati defense.

21. HOUSTON TEXANS – CB AMANI ORUWARIYE, PENN STATE

Houston’s needs an influx of talent at corner and Oruwariye adds a big body at 6-foot-1 as he’s graded at 80.0-plus over the last two years. The cornerback class is wide open at this point but Oruwariye should be in the conversation come April.

22. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS – WR MARQUISE BROWN, OKLAHOMA

Brown is as explosive as any receiver in the draft as he’s averaged 18.5 yards per reception while catching 76.9% of his targets this season. He adds a downfield threat for Russell Wilson.

23. BALTIMORE RAVENS – EDGE JACHAI POLITE, FLORIDA

Polite has broken out to post the No. 3 pass-rush grade among edge defenders this season at 90.3, and he adds another option as the Ravens look to upgrade their pass-rush off the edge.

24. CAROLINA PANTHERS – DI JERRY TILLERY, NOTRE DAME

With 27 pressures on 246 rushes, Tillery’s 91.4 pass-rush grade leads all interior defensive linemen and he adds much-needed youth up front for the Panthers.

25. WASHINGTON REDSKINS – WR ANTHONY JOHNSON, BUFFALO

Washington has work to do on the outside and Johnson has a good combination of route running and contested catch ability, all leading to an 81.0 overall grade and 18.1 yards per reception this season.

26. PITTSBURGH STEELERS – TE NOAH FANT, IOWA

While the Steelers would love to go defense here, Fant adds another explosive playmaker to the Pittsburgh passing attack as he can stretch the seam and create mismatches in the middle of the field.

27. MINNESOTA VIKINGS – OT GREG LITTLE, OLE MISS

The Vikings have work to do along the offensive line and Little continues to improve as his 90.2 pass-blocking grade ranks seventh in the nation among offensive tackles.

28. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS – C TYLER BIADASZ, WISCONSIN

Biadasz can play multiple positions on the interior and he’s an excellent all-around center, grading at 80.9 overall this season.

29. GREEN BAY PACKERS (FROM NEW ORLEANS) – LB TE’VON CONEY, NOTRE DAME

The Packers go defense again, this time with Coney who is a hammer against the run and has improved greatly in coverage, ranking third in the nation at 90.8. In coverage, he’s allowing only 43% of passes thrown into his coverage to be completed.

30. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS – TE JACE STERNBERGER, TEXAS A&M

Sternberger has broken out to post the nation’s top receiving grade among tight ends at 89.7 while picking up 8.3 yards after the catch per reception. He adds ‘Gronk insurance’ and two tight end versatility to the New England offense.

31. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS – S TAYLOR RAPP, WASHINGTON

Defensive playmakers are needed in the Kansas City secondary, and Rapp has the ability to cover tight ends, slot receivers or running backs, all leading to an 89.1 coverage grade, good for seventh in the nation this season.

32. LOS ANGELES RAMS – EDGE MONTEZ SWEAT, MISSISSIPPI STATE

The Rams still lack elite playmakers on the edge, and Sweat has developed nicely, picking up 27 pressures on only 174 rushes this season.