RonArtest15 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 He's not on the team next year...that's pretty much a given. I think for a guy as tenured as Jones (who has no trade value,) let him play out the season. Doesn't really hurt at all and he can get a proper sendoff as the season comes to an end in a couple of months. He can also take a guys like Mullins/Stewart (assuming they're called up) under his wing for the time being. I think Jones will be amicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, RonArtest15 said: He's not on the team next year...that's pretty much a given. I think for a guy as tenured as Jones (who has no trade value,) let him play out the season. Doesn't really hurt at all and he can get a proper sendoff as the season comes to an end in a couple of months. He can also take a guys like Mullins/Stewart (assuming they're called up) under his wing for the time being. I think Jones will be amicable. I would actually prefer this entire situation if he WAS coming back for another 2-3 years. Obviously I don't want him starting in CF (or potentially anywhere) but his leadership with the young OF we have coming up could be a bigger deal from an intangible perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I don't have any issue with Jones not wanting to be traded. It's not like he is blocking anyone from being called up. I think after the trade deadline we will see Mullins brought up and put in center and see Jones moved to RF. I suspect Jones will be fine with that. The only way Jones is back next season is if Trumbo is traded. The only way Trumbo is traded is if the O's agree to eat most of his salary. At that point a 2 or 3 year deal for Jones could be reasonable. If Victor Victor is sign, there is no way Jones is back no matter what they do with Trumbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 If Victor Victor Mesa and Cedric Mullins are in the outfield next year, we'll have a good to great outfield defense. I will miss Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: If Victor Victor Mesa and Cedric Mullins are in the outfield next year, we'll have a good to great outfield defense. I will miss Jones. Would it be similar to the late 2000s when both Jones and Markakis came up and played the outfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: Would it be similar to the late 2000s when both Jones and Markakis came up and played the outfield? Yeah, I hope so at least. Mullins appears to be a really good defender, or so I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Spaceman Spiff said: If Victor Victor Mesa and Cedric Mullins are in the outfield next year, we'll have a good to great outfield defense. I will miss Jones. Remove Mancini and now you are talking. No more first basemen in the OF is an automatic upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Yankees have added bonus pool money and could offer mesa the 3.5M, if they want to. Im not sure why they would have traded to add int'l signing money if they werent targeting Mesa. You never know, still hoping Os get Mesa. It would further prove the Angelos sons are in charge and have freedom to run this thing like the other 29 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Not sure where VVM fits for the Yankees with Stanton, Judge and Gardner in the outfield but we'll see. Hoping the Orioles can get that guy, I'd be really excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Not sure where VVM fits for the Yankees with Stanton, Judge and Gardner in the outfield but we'll see. Hoping the Orioles can get that guy, I'd be really excited. They could just trade him next year for a stud. Rich get richer in the MLB. Im still pissed the Red Sox signed Moncada for 31.5M and then just flipped him for Chris Sale (who had 3 years left on his deal). I get even more pissed when red Sox fans act like they didnt just buy Sale and say they had to trade prospects for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 55 minutes ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: Im still pissed the Red Sox signed Moncada for 31.5M and then just flipped him for Chris Sale (who had 3 years left on his deal). I get even more pissed when red Sox fans act like they didnt just buy Sale and say they had to trade prospects for him. And they cheated the rules to get Moncada in the first place. The only thing that the O's would get in trading Jones is some salary relief. And then, the O's would have to eat most to trade him. And even then, he'd have to waive his NTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Uh... #Orioles are currently involved in late-deadline discussions to trade Schoop and possibly Gausman, according to source. — Eduardo A. Encina (@EddieInTheYard) July 31, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said: Uh... #Orioles are currently involved in late-deadline discussions to trade Schoop and possibly Gausman, according to source. — Eduardo A. Encina (@EddieInTheYard) July 31, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Boy that team was full of likable guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Gausman to Braves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Wow, DD isn't messing around. Sure you can dump Machado, Britton and Brach because their deals expire this year anyway. But trading Gausman signals they're definitely committed to rebuilding the farm and are looking at winning 2021 at the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 And it's being reported that Schoop is still being discussed...though the clock is ticking and the O's likely need more than 20 minutes just to review medicals...haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 In retrospect, this whole thing is quite bizarre. After the Toronto tampering, the word on the street was DD was gone after this year. So either 1) Duquette is is unparalleled professional, who genuinely is making the moves he thinks the organization should make, despite not planning on sticking around 2) Duquette is planning on being the Orioles GM past 2018, despite not having an actual contract extension or 3) someone else (Brady?) is really calling the shots and Duquette won't be here next year. But if 3), why bother keeping Duquette around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said: In retrospect, this whole thing is quite bizarre. After the Toronto tampering, the word on the street was DD was gone after this year. So either 1) Duquette is is unparalleled professional, who genuinely is making the moves he thinks the organization should make, despite not planning on sticking around 2) Duquette is planning on being the Orioles GM past 2018, despite not having an actual contract extension or 3) someone else (Brady?) is really calling the shots and Duquette won't be here next year. But if 3), why bother keeping Duquette around? I think DD is sticking around. If not he's going out with a bang and setting this thing up nicely for who comes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I think so too...it feels like that was decided a week or so ago when he came out and laid out their plans for the rebuild. It almost feels like the Angelos family huddled, Peter gave the sons full control, and they gave Dan their support and the green light to operate without tampering. That's all speculation, but the ease and speed with which it all changed was insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: I think DD is sticking around. If not he's going out with a bang and setting this thing up nicely for who comes next. Im glad we are moving pieces ... but I dont think we fleeced anyone in a trade. It will take years to truly judge these trades but general sentiment is that we got decent but not above expectation value for Machado and Britton. We didnt get Verdugo or May from the dodgers and didnt get Sheffield from the NYY. Seems like the returns we got, anyone could have negotiated. Im happy with what we got .... lol idk why im pissing in your corn flakes right now? sorry man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Three prospects from the Braves for Gausman... Waiting to see if the Brewers and O's completed the Schoop deal... Most fun since the Opening Day walk-off or taking 3/4 in New York in April! 1 minute ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: Im glad we are moving pieces ... but I dont think we fleeced anyone in a trade. It will take years to truly judge these trades but general sentiment is that we got decent but not above expectation value for Machado and Britton. We didnt get Verdugo or May from the dodgers and didnt get Sheffield from the NYY. Seems like the returns we got, anyone could have negotiated. Im happy with what we got .... lol idk why im pissing in your corn flakes right now? sorry man We didn't need to fleece anyone. What's of value for us is talent that is controllable for a long time. That's not what teams in the hunt need now. I know you know that, but my point is that in these trades no one actually has to win or lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Why am I Mr. Pink? said: Im glad we are moving pieces ... but I dont think we fleeced anyone in a trade. It will take years to truly judge these trades but general sentiment is that we got decent but not above expectation value for Machado and Britton. We didnt get Verdugo or May from the dodgers and didnt get Sheffield from the NYY. Seems like the returns we got, anyone could have negotiated. Im happy with what we got .... lol idk why im pissing in your corn flakes right now? sorry man I think we'll know by this time next year how these trades are starting to pan out. If the pieces we got are having solid to great seasons are moving through the system we will have a good idea of what we can expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Brewers got Schoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why am I Mr. Pink? Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I assume we are all just refreshing OH thread ... im basically only working right now if a client calls me lol. edit - Schoop hurts to see leave. That smile. Was hoping we would have extended him but Im glad we avoid a machado part 2. Seems our organization was such a mess (prior to the past month about face) that they couldnt even gt talks going with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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