Capt'n Obvious Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Punt return disasters aside, he is an average slot receiver to me. He isn't great. Scheme gets him open when our outside receivers are competent. Too many drops this year, he took a step back after last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I'm not sure that's fair. He came into the draft as the best route runner. I still wanted them to take my boy Diggs and clearly that would have been the better pick. But Crowder has been fine his first 2 seasons, that's why this year's regression is so puzzling. Still he's got the chance to be one of the better slot receivers in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: I'm not sure that's fair. He came into the draft as the best route runner. I still wanted them to take my boy Diggs and clearly that would have been the better pick. But Crowder has been fine his first 2 seasons, that's why this year's regression is so puzzling. Still he's got the chance to be one of the better slot receivers in the league. Absolutely! I honestly think he never recovered from the muffed punts early in the year. His confidence was shook and he never truly got out of the hole. He shifted his focus from catching the ball, hitting the hole, surveying the field, to "HOLD ON TO THE BALL" and it just rattled him a little bit. Hopefully he can return to the path he was on with his development going in the upward trend with the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: I'm not sure that's fair. He came into the draft as the best route runner. I still wanted them to take my boy Diggs and clearly that would have been the better pick. But Crowder has been fine his first 2 seasons, that's why this year's regression is so puzzling. Still he's got the chance to be one of the better slot receivers in the league. Is it regression or inconsistency? It's admittedly splitting hairs - but one worth splitting. A regression to me would be not performing at the same level. But I believe he has in many cases upped his game, to the point of being that go to guy for Kirk at critical times. But then all of a sudden he has a complete mental meltdown that ends up being very costly (see dallast game). I wonder if in an effort to improve his game he gets a little careless. This is entirely fixable. He is a very smart young man who clearly works very hard at getting better. I would expect him to clean things up next year and continue to improve. If not, it will mean he has reached his top end potential - which BTW is still very good. I love the guy - even if he is dukie! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I think the hamstring injury coupled with more pressure due to Garcon and Jackson leaving(and of course Reed being hurt basically all year) caused a bit of a regression. I see him bouncing back next year assuming the outside WR problem is addressed and Reed can actually stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, goskins10 said: I wonder if in an effort to improve his game he gets a little careless I'm not sure how that happens. He's certainly been responsible for more pivotal errors in games. That perhaps correlates to the bigger role he is expected to assume and therefore he is in the spotlight more. He's definitely a Cousins and and Gruden 'go to' player. Back to the OP I'd question the awesome part, he's been productive but his game needs a higher degree of focus across the full 60 minutes for it to pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, goskins10 said: Is it regression or inconsistency? It's admittedly splitting hairs - but one worth splitting. A regression to me would be not performing at the same level. But I believe he has in many cases upped his game, to the point of being that go to guy for Kirk at critical times. But then all of a sudden he has a complete mental meltdown that ends up being very costly (see dallast game). I wonder if in an effort to improve his game he gets a little careless. This is entirely fixable. He is a very smart young man who clearly works very hard at getting better. I would expect him to clean things up next year and continue to improve. If not, it will mean he has reached his top end potential - which BTW is still very good. I love the guy - even if he is dukie! :-) Yeah in looking over his stats regression may not be the right word, they are comparable to last year and in terms of the number of catches a slight improvement. But as you said he has been terribly inconsistent. When you take out the 2 good games an earlier poster mentioned the rest of his season has been very disappointing. I think we all agree with the departure of the 2 WRs, and with the improvement we expected to see in his 3rd year his 2017 was not close to expectations. And that isn't even counting the drops and fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 8 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said: By your own figures he has had one "awesome" game in the past 7. Take away that 141 yard game and those numbers start looking rather pedestrian. Of course that one great game was cancelled out by the disaster in Dallas. And your figures don't show how ineffective he has been in the punt return game where he is now running away from fielding punts. Nope, there is no way I can look at Crowder and say he has been "awesome lately". 2, actually. The 123 yard game against Dallas came 7 games played ago for him. Agreed on his STs woes, I edited the OP to reflect that I was only referring to offense. With the exception of the team-wide horrible LAC game he's had over 50 yards in every game for nearly half the season now. That's good. From a receiving standpoint he HAS been consistent. Lately, anyway. 6 hours ago, OVCChairman said: Are you just pretending the game vs Dallas didnt happen? Even in that game he still had 67 yards. Expanded over 16 games that's over 1000. His #s from his past 7 played games expanded over 16 games come out to around 1200. He's currently on pace to nearly, if not fully, surpass his offensive yards from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, TheItalianStallion said: 2, actually. The 123 yard game against Dallas came 7 games played ago for him. Agreed on his STs woes, I edited the OP to reflect that I was only referring to offense. With the exception of the team-wide horrible LAC game he's had over 50 yards in every game for nearly half the season now. That's good. From a receiving standpoint he HAS been consistent. Lately, anyway. Even in that game he still had 67 yards. Expanded over 16 games that's over 1000. His #s from his past 7 played games expanded over 16 games come out to around 1200. He's currently on pace to nearly, if not fully, surpass his offensive yards from last year. I dont care if he had 1000 yards in that game alone... he cost us the game. That negates any statistical praise he may be getting. So if a QB throw for 30 TDs but 50 INTS, is that an awesome season? Come on bud, I like the guy, and I root for him, but this was not an 'Awesome' season or even portion of a season. Maybe go : "Crowder could quietly surpass last years yardage totals" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, OVCChairman said: I dont care if he had 1000 yards in that game alone... he cost us the game. That negates any statistical praise he may be getting. So if a QB throw for 30 TDs but 50 INTS, is that an awesome season? Come on bud, I like the guy, and I root for him, but this was not an 'Awesome' season or even portion of a season. Maybe go : "Crowder could quietly surpass last years yardage totals" For that game, sure. But even that game was still indicative of a greater trend of good yardage from him over a portion of the season. I'm not saying he was good over the whole season, but a significant portion? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheItalianStallion said: For that game, sure. But even that game was still indicative of a greater trend of good yardage from him over a portion of the season. I'm not saying he was good over the whole season, but a significant portion? Yes. I'm happy you like Crowder, and our opinions obviously differ on how we describe this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 On 12/21/2017 at 9:14 AM, DC9 said: But just like the defense earlier this year, I urge you not to mistake competence for dominance. Holy ****, Redskins in a nutshell, man. I'm not worried, he's a really young player, so in theory he should improve. Seems like he's having his rookie mistakes this year instead of his rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandweave Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 18 hours ago, TheItalianStallion said: Your numbers are WAY wrong. The past 6 games his yardage totals have been 55 34 67 141 72 76 And his 7th game ago was 123 You misread the chart. His most recent games are at the top. Good catch your right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedrop Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 9 hours ago, TheItalianStallion said: 2, actually. The 123 yard game against Dallas came 7 games played ago for him. Agreed on his STs woes, I edited the OP to reflect that I was only referring to offense. With the exception of the team-wide horrible LAC game he's had over 50 yards in every game for nearly half the season now. That's good. From a receiving standpoint he HAS been consistent. Lately, anyway. so, if we specifically ignore the area a player has bumbled like an idiot and we throw out one whole game because said bumbling was "team wide", he's been consistent....lately....? ok, but if you have a bad stomach flu and you make it to the bathroom 5 out of 6 times you've still **** your pants. that is crowder, that is the redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 16 hours ago, TheItalianStallion said: 2, actually. The 123 yard game against Dallas came 7 games played ago for him. Agreed on his STs woes, I edited the OP to reflect that I was only referring to offense. With the exception of the team-wide horrible LAC game he's had over 50 yards in every game for nearly half the season now. That's good. From a receiving standpoint he HAS been consistent. Lately, anyway. 50 yards per game for a receiver is not "awesome". Just sayin'. And he had only 34 two games ago against the Chargers. If you are going to cherry pick and go back exactly 7 games we do have 2 good ones, very good in fact. But that doesn't change the fact that one was completely cancelled out by the 2nd Dallas game. So that leaves on very good game out of the other 5. Nope, just not seeing "awesome" here no matter how hard we try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 7 hours ago, onedrop said: so, if we specifically ignore the area a player has bumbled like an idiot and we throw out one whole game because said bumbling was "team wide", he's been consistent....lately....? ok, but if you have a bad stomach flu and you make it to the bathroom 5 out of 6 times you've still **** your pants. that is crowder, that is the redskins. oh my god i actually laughed out loud. This is the perfect analogy, thank you for putting it into words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onedrop Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 6 hours ago, OVCChairman said: oh my god i actually laughed out loud. This is the perfect analogy, thank you for putting it into words... I wish it weren't true, more about the team in general than one guy but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseneck Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 A Gooseneck fun fact: Did you know that Crowder is actually 6 foot 7 inches tall but runs on his knees to give the illusion of being shorter. This makes his feats even more amazing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonez3 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 There is nothing he can do this year to offset his turnovers versus Dallas and Philly. They were soul crushing and to me are directly responsible for 2 losses. He needs to start focusing on next year and never return a punt again. Even hen he's not fumbling his returns have been butt. I hope we go after a guy in the late rounds this year how is a return specialist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItalianStallion Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 12 hours ago, Darrell Green Fan said: 50 yards per game for a receiver is not "awesome". Just sayin'. And he had only 34 two games ago against the Chargers. If you are going to cherry pick and go back exactly 7 games we do have 2 good ones, very good in fact. But that doesn't change the fact that one was completely cancelled out by the 2nd Dallas game. So that leaves on very good game out of the other 5. Nope, just not seeing "awesome" here no matter how hard we try. It's "at least" 50, for an average of 80. It's not "2 of 7 games were good," it's 7 games of consistent production including 2 big ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmandoug1 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Close the thread for inaccurate..........just close it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 12 hours ago, TheItalianStallion said: It's "at least" 50, for an average of 80. It's not "2 of 7 games were good," it's 7 games of consistent production including 2 big ones. "At least 50" implies a 50 yard game is something special. It's not. 100 yards and/or a TD signifies a really good game. Not quite "awesome" but damned good. Crowder only go tot that level 3 times in the last 7. Included in those 3 was last weeks line of 5-55-1 which is a good game nothing more. Also in that mix is a number of games such as 3-34-0, ,5-67-0 and 4-76-0 which were ok/pretty good games but hardly awesome. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I don’t care what he’s done recently, this has been a disappointing year for Crowder. Any numbers he’s putting up now are due to the fact he is the only healthy receiver left. Finding a competent special teams returner is a top priority in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Well it certainly is a relief that he is playing better. He appears shot as a return man but he is still the best receiver they have and I expect a bounce back year. Of course if the QB is Colt, another retread or a rookie all bets are off there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoVaSkins21 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 IMO, awesome is a definitely a stretch. The turnovers he's had have been costly. He's basically been inconsistent. As others have said, he's a good slot receiver, but that's about it. I wouldn't trust him as a #1 or #2 WR. He's average at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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