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Presidential Election :11/3/2020- The Impotus Puppet vs The Rise of BootyWalker & some other Dems

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1 hour ago, skinsmarydu said:

The reason we progressives push so far left is to get to the middle again. The middle is at least reasonable. 🤓

Is that a tacit admission that what you are pushing for is unreasonable?

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2 hours ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Agreed, but do you see that happening before the GOP does?

What is this GOP you speak of?  They no longer exist.

 

For the Dems.  Either the progressives win full control and the non-progressives are pushed out of the Democratic  party or the progressives form their own party.

 

The GOP no longer exists.  It's a Trump cult.   So called real conservatives have to start over and form a new party.  Anything with the GOP is forever tainted by their actions of the last 8 years and their full embrace of Trumpism.

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2 hours ago, nonniey said:

Is that a tacit admission that what you are pushing for is unreasonable?

 

Just pointing out the logical reasoning involved that middle may not be exclusively reasonable.  One may hold the position that middle between progressives and GOP is reasonable while also thinking that progressive positions are still within the bounds of reasonableness.

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I view myself as liberal, more so than most of the U.S. Saying that, while I think my positions correct, I would also say somebody with all my beliefs should not be president because I dont believe she or he could lead much of the U.S who do not share my beliefs.  Thus I may believe somebody who does not share my ideology completely to be a better person for the job. My hope is pushing for my beliefs will sway morw people to the point where leaders start to lead more how I want.

 

Sometimes, we have to vote for the way there rather than the destination. We must act with faith that if the correct path is chosen, the destination will be the best possible one whether or not it matches our original intentions.

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4 hours ago, skinsmarydu said:

The reason we progressives push so far left is to get to the middle again. The middle is at least reasonable. 🤓

 

My worry about this is trying to do it too fast. As what I guess I'd call a "left leaning moderate liberal" I'm fine with a more progressive agenda but trying to push it all at once will backfire. The right wing got more and more far right over decades; IMO that's why they were able to do it. I'm not advocating that we go far left, BTW. I'm just pointing out that trying to do too much at once can very much backfire and can push some of the more moderate or even mostly liberal voters away from the Dems. Maybe not towards Republicans but it could make them more likely to either sit out or vote independent. 

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My 5 main concerns are (in no particular order, as I see them as basic rights): bodily autonomy, climate security, housing, food, & healthcare. 

<I am also deeply concerned about justice reform & gun reform measures, but we're gonna have to prioritize...basic rights first.>

I guess that's what "the middle" means to me. Reasonable stuff. 

 

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25 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said:

My 5 main concerns are (in no particular order, as I see them as basic rights): bodily autonomy, climate security, housing, food, & healthcare. 

<I am also deeply concerned about justice reform & gun reform measures, but we're gonna have to prioritize...basic rights first.>

I guess that's what "the middle" means to me. Reasonable stuff. 

 

 

I totally get you and those are all important to me as well. And if we look at the rest of Western world those are important to other nations too. I'm not arguing that those things don't need to be on the agenda and shouldn't be pursued. But they're simply aren't going to change overnight. So I'm just arguing that proposing huge and immediate flips in how we deal with those problems are a) completely unrealistic and b) prone to turn off more moderate and even moderate liberal voters.

 

It sucks but sometimes things have to be taken slow at first. There are a ton of things that many of us want to see change drastically (as they're so drastically tilted in the other direction at the moment) but some pragmatism should be practiced. 

 

Also, don't forget this: absolutely none of the more broad and sweeping progressive ideas are going to be implemented soon, even if the next POTUS is Warren or Bernie. None of that stuff will ever get through the Senate, even if the Dems take it back in 2020. Bills like that are still subject to filibuster rules so unless they get a super majority (which won't happen) that stuff will get immediately blocked. Not to mention that we have a right wing SCOTUS right now that will probably overturn it anyway.

 

Now, a Dem Senate could then decide to invoke the nuclear option for regular bills (if it's even possible) but that would open up an entirely now and absolutely insane can of worms. Then the majority of the Senate could get anything through as long as they had the House and the Presidency. There would be almost no real checks. Remember what happened when the Dems did the nuclear thing with judicial nominations? Welp, then the Republicans did it with SCOTUS nominations. And now the Rs are also absolutely packing the lower courts with right wing judges...it completely backfired. 

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Um...try the circle. You can moderate what anyone sees on any device in your home, how long they are on the device, etc. 

 

I say the circle bevause it is the one I know.  I remember seeing more options before we opted for the circle. What's more, you can set it up so adults can still watch what they want. This porn scare is a puritanical hail mary for votes.

 

I know I am a left wing nut who isnt afraid a set pf boobies will forever ruin my kids. I just take efforts to prevent inadvertent viewage.

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16 hours ago, visionary said:

 

 

We must unite and do whatever we can to defeat this man!!!!!!!  

 

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Hmm... empower families...

You can't make people want to "parent" their children. You can't make people stop having them, either. 

I don't know where to go with this one. 😳

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16 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

Its Warren’s race to lose.  

Yep.  Though she has to answer the question on paying for her medicare for all, will requiure middle class taxes going up. Also, what will happen to the employees of all those private insurance companies going out of business.

 

Also, with her now starting to emerge as the real front runner; she will be focus of all attacks. How does handle it, especially when Bernie goes after her. Bernie will, if he wants to win the nomination.

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1 hour ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Good luck with that, buddy

 

Kinda rings hollow with his Johnny Appleseed tweet a while ago 

12 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Yep.  Though she has to answer the question on paying for her medicare for all, will requiure middle class taxes going up. Also, what will happen to the employees of all those private insurance companies going out of business.

 

Also, with her now starting to emerge as the real front runner; she will be focus of all attacks. How does handle it, especially when Bernie goes after her. Bernie will, if he wants to win the nomination.

 

Bernie is the wild card. He and his bros can sink the entire thing if he gets desperate enough and they get angry enough at a second lost primary

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12 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Yep.  Though she has to answer the question on paying for her medicare for all, will requiure middle class taxes going up. Also, what will happen to the employees of all those private insurance companies going out of business.

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I wish they would do a better job of explaining this as well:

 

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all?inline=file

 

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4 percent income-based premium paid by households Revenue raised: $3.5 trillion over ten years. The typical middle class family would save over $4,400 under this plan. Last year the typical working family paid an average of $5,277 in premiums to private health insurance companies. Under this option, a typical family of four earning $50,000, after taking the standard deduction, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All – just $844 a year – saving that family over $4,400 a year. Because of the standard deduction, families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium.

 

12 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Also, with her now starting to emerge as the real front runner; she will be focus of all attacks. How does handle it, especially when Bernie goes after her. Bernie will, if he wants to win the nomination.

 

Biggest reason why I believe Warren and Bernie don't attack each other is because their platforms are so similar that attacking would be like attacking themselves.  My hope is that at some point he accepts he can't siphon off enough of the Biden voters to keep up with Warren and just passes the torch to make sure she beats him.

6 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

Kinda rings hollow with his Johnny Appleseed tweet a while ago 

 

A lot of Asians are getting sick of his Asian jokes as well, dude's not running for last comic standing he's running for president.  I've lost intrest, future needs to send a different drone next time, like Skynet keeps sending better models to the past to kill John Conner.

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